how come there are no full FO teams in arena ?
considering you have 4 zetas on them (all besides FOO), its an AMAZING team.
they attack attack attack, fotp damage is amazing, Zylo is zylo, Fost is a great taunter tank with counteratc (the dream), FOO remove TM and give all and ofc remove debuffs from himself and another one, and give that one 100% TM (untouchablee FOTP!), and phasma is pretty weak, but great leader ability when zetad and victory march is always amazing.
so.. on paper ? this is one of the best teams there's, the question is why i have seen only one full FO team? is it because hard to get 80 zetas for that team ? they are not strong as it seems on paper ?
what the hell, it has crazy potential
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I have an FO squad and can rank pretty high. zMaul squads are hard for FO but not those which have only one zeta.
started use them for raids, FOO is actually great, and i just got to wonder, if full FO team with 4 zetas will be better than my current team (Zaul, SA, Savage (Zavage in few days), Palp, Zylo)
It's not rocket surgery.
what makes them so bad on defense tho.. ?
They don't have an auto taunt, the AI is useless with Kylo, they are inherently slower than most teams, they don't have stealth, they don't have dodge, they don't have Chaze, they don't have Nihililus, they don't have GK..
Anyone got anything else?
AI is useless with FOO, keeps it random instead of just giving it to kylo so when lash out happens all team has 100% tm
With all of that said, they are so fun to play as a team. When the synergy and RNG is on your side, the damage done is an awesome spectacle. The sum is greater than the individual parts. However, in the end, I have fought so many battles where its just my Zylo going on 1 on 3 or 1 on 4 against the other team. Like other FO users, I am eagerly waiting for The Last Jedi to come out in the hopes that a Hux or Snoke will be a game changer that creates a new First Order meta.
The team is super fun to play, one of the, if not, the best fully faction teams out there besides sith. They are incredibly fun in GW, Rancor and Haat. They are not however Arena worthy if you like to hold rank or make it into the top 10. I only take them in Arena when my pay-out is up and want to have fun. Also they need a lot of speed secondaries to make them workable even in the top 50...
From experience, they can take out full Jedi teams with r2d2 and 4 zetas on them, they can take out Zmaul teams if they dont have Assasin, but they have no chance against a meta ZMaul, Rex, GK lead...
Also, a high speed, Boba, EP and any B2 can shut them down in the first move...
With FO the grinding is real (fotp, fost). They are like the elite team, with the 4 zeta set. Only player with high dedication can obtain them. But with one daze, their incredible assist mechanic stopped.
When Zaul was around, I would stay in the 60-80 range. Daze + no crit on stealth = death to FO. It was painful because EVERY TEAM was Zaul. I'd try to poach any other team, and when I couldn't I'd cross my fingers against the sith, but man ... I hated Zaul.
Fast forward two weeks, to today. There are still a butt load of Maul zeta teams around, but now there are delicious Jedi teams as well. I *love* fighting Jedi team. Heck, I love fighting most teams now, as long as Maul isn't the leader. I'll still lose against obscene speed teams, but my offensive success rate is through the roof.
Anyway, point is that my average/slightly above average First Order team is now 28 in the arena. So yes, a full FO team, even one missing the FOTP zeta, can be very competitive in the arena, but almost exclusively on offense. Being able to focus fire down even high hp/protection characters FAST is a thing of beauty. If I can get taunt up on the FOST, *that's* when things start to fly, as his counter attack has a 50% chance to call an assist. Having him counter and call FOTP for a double tap (32k damage) can really wreck the other team. I don't even mind fighting GK - a couple of TP assists off the hop and Kenobi can sometimes be dead before he makes a move. And I can't count the number of times my Zylo mops things up, 1 against 2 or 3 (or 4).
But yeah, the reason I don't see FO as a truly elite team is that they are bad on defense. The AIs habit of spreading around damage hurts against this team that has superior single target damage. If it would stick to one character and burn, I think FO would be a lot more powerful.
Beyond that, FO suffers from lack of staying power if Kylo can be shut down. Probably because I lack the FOTP zeta, he tends to go down quickly. So you're always in a race to burn the other team down, or at least get rid of their ability blockers / stunners, so Zylo can finish things off in peace.
To sum up - FO is a fantastic, and fantastically fun team, but the lack of AI and the need for great decision making hold them back. But if you can get them all to 7*s and G11, you will love them.
The above comments are all quite accurate. Using them is a lot of fun, and between FOST and FOO cleansing, and all their assists, they don't have too much trouble with anything on Offense. The problem comes in Defense. I usually finish around 50-75, but generally get dropped below 100 by next morning. I don't have Kylo Zeta'd yet (FOST took precedence for me), but I'm still quite happy with the team.
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Why are they a requirements? Wiggs.
Woot!
How long have you been playing? Seems hard to believe that team would come close to holding that rank on an older shard...
I have the 4 Zeta all G11 with great mods. I fall into 15-25 range overnight, on rare occasions into low 30s.
The full squad is GREAT and do fantastic on HAAT p2.
The reason you don't see many, is that the team isn't really great until you get at least Phasma and FOST zetas. Then is opens up.
They can do really well at taking out enemy Savage and countering that maddening zBarriss, thanks to Kylo and his healing immunity. But the sequence of attacks needs to be just right and includes Kylo's basic: slap the healing immunity on with basic, Outrage for the stun, FOTP for the kill.
Nihilus can be dealt with if you keep him stunned with Kylo's Outrage.
The AI does none of these things, so FO fails on defense. Plus, Daze them with Maul and things get grim really fast without a human in the loop.
First round I almost always give FOO Marching Orders to Kylo. But from then on, it usually goes to FOTP, unless somebody is in desperate need of a boost or I want that FOST taunt up (which also gives TM to his friends).
It doesn't hold rank unless you're willing to refresh arenas. My shard is Nov 2015 and I struggle to stay in top 50 even though I consistently win all of my battles on offense.
Started today at rank 57, climbed up to 25 on offense, and have already fallen back to 47 with over 5 hours left until payout.
I do ok with mine.
Phew, that +25 speed on FOO's circle sure helps out a lot. Speed wins!