What is happening to notices of events?

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  • Well_I_Never
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    I guess in a q&a where they wanted to build trust by being honest, answering a question about very little heads up before events by saying they want to clarify the cadence after posting their communication strategy then dropping an event with 8 hours notice just seems... dishonest. They communicated it by showing us there is no cadence...why not just say "anything can happen?". 3 words and be done, we may not have liked it, but it would have been honest communication.
    Agreed, but you're making a rather large assumption about them actually wanting to provide "honest communication"?
    The drop of this Event, which you reference as seeming dishonest in relation to their Q&A post, should tell you everything about their view of honest communication.
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    I never really understand much this passion for such "honest" communcation.

    It's a game. The nature of a game is that there are circumstances out of your control that you have to adapt to. That is what makes any game a game. It's how they work. Imagine playing poker but being told every hand you and your opponents are going to be dealt beforehand. It wouldn't be a game anymore. One would just be going through the motions of a game.

    Said it before and sure I'll say it again - if there is one character that you absolutely want then farm it hard and farm it irrespective of what else is going on around you. Then, you will be ready when the chance to get it comes around.

    Simple.

  • Well_I_Never
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    Vanov77 wrote: »
    To all who write about this, Guys the problem isnt just procastination:
    For having cls you have to farm 10 toons (empire for r2 and the rebels for cls) and for JTR other 10 (first order and awakens team).
    Sorry, you're wrong here. You only need to farm 4 Ep IV characters for CLS & 5 Empire for R2.
    9 farmed characters to unlock a Legendary & a Mythic.

    Anyway, ignore my being pedantic, but if you are trying to unlock either, CLS or RJT, then focussing on the one that you are closer to, or want more, is the way to go.
    Trying to farm for all 4 Events at the same time is going to double the length of time to reach either.

    Pick one, go for it. If you attempted to go for all 4 team, then this is the very definition of procrastination, whether intentional, or not.
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    I never really understand much this passion for such "honest" communcation.

    It's a game. The nature of a game is that there are circumstances out of your control that you have to adapt to. That is what makes any game a game. It's how they work. Imagine playing poker but being told every hand you and your opponents are going to be dealt beforehand. It wouldn't be a game anymore. One would just be going through the motions of a game.

    Said it before and sure I'll say it again - if there is one character that you absolutely want then farm it hard and farm it irrespective of what else is going on around you. Then, you will be ready when the chance to get it comes around.

    Simple.

    It's not knowing what hands you're going to be dealt, it's going into the game not knowing what rules you're playing by or what hands are what. It's the dealer telling you jacks are wild but 4 hands in changing it to deuces. It's posting the rules and odds by the front door, and changing them at the table.
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    Woie wrote: »
    In no way disagreeing with you 8 hours notice on an official announcement is shocking..... however STH as the daily log should have been your first clue

    I agreed with STH statement. I thought CLS would be next month based on last years trend though....we as a community got jipped..again
  • Well_I_Never
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    kello_511 wrote: »
    7. Remember that there are players at all stages of this game. While this return may seem “too soon” to you, someone else has been ready for weeks and has been waiting for this events return.
    This! 'nuff said.
    kello_511 wrote: »
    Short notice for events is probably a part of that planning. Or it’s based on the metrics which show that more players are ready for these events now and need them to progress. Most likely it’s a combination of both.
    It's financial year end in 6 business days. That's the be all & end all of this.
  • kello_511
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    I never really understand much this passion for such "honest" communcation.

    It's a game. The nature of a game is that there are circumstances out of your control that you have to adapt to. That is what makes any game a game. It's how they work. Imagine playing poker but being told every hand you and your opponents are going to be dealt beforehand. It wouldn't be a game anymore. One would just be going through the motions of a game.

    Said it before and sure I'll say it again - if there is one character that you absolutely want then farm it hard and farm it irrespective of what else is going on around you. Then, you will be ready when the chance to get it comes around.

    Simple.

    It's not knowing what hands you're going to be dealt, it's going into the game not knowing what rules you're playing by or what hands are what. It's the dealer telling you jacks are wild but 4 hands in changing it to deuces. It's posting the rules and odds by the front door, and changing them at the table.

    The rules were never “posted at the door”, Many players just assumed them based on 1-2 data points.

    However, aside from that your analogy is pretty accurate. You are playing by house rules here and anything can happen. We all just have to change our perspective to realize that and play the game accordingly.

    If the hand changes to deuces being wild, understand that jacks WILL be back again at some point.
  • Well_I_Never
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    Edit double post.
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    If you haven't learned yet...

    If you want a specific character, farm now, and be at the ready. Always. And for all the characters that are to come, pick a faction, farm them, and be ready. YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET EVERY CHARACTER. Just know that, especially if you are F2P. I think I've managed to get 1 character when they came out. But I farmed the other needed ones immediately before the event, through the event and after the event to be ready for the next one.
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    kello_511 wrote: »
    The rules were never “posted at the door”, Many players just assumed them based on 1-2 data points.

    Excellently put and correct.

  • xeo
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    This isnt the first time EA/CG gave last minute warnings about legendaries and it wont be the last.

    Going forward, pick the legendary toons you want, prioritize and start farming for that toon now regardless of when you think it will come up next.

    This game is about resource management and unless you are throwing money at the game, those resources are limited.

    I missed jtr both times and as peeved as i am at the devs for the last minute warning, the fault is on me. I chose to divert my resources towards improving my arena teams. I have no regrets.

    These legendaries will be back. If i get booted from my guild for not having jtr ill find one that doesnt require her. (Fun fact: my guild doesnt require her or cls)
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    kello_511 wrote: »
    I never really understand much this passion for such "honest" communcation.

    It's a game. The nature of a game is that there are circumstances out of your control that you have to adapt to. That is what makes any game a game. It's how they work. Imagine playing poker but being told every hand you and your opponents are going to be dealt beforehand. It wouldn't be a game anymore. One would just be going through the motions of a game.

    Said it before and sure I'll say it again - if there is one character that you absolutely want then farm it hard and farm it irrespective of what else is going on around you. Then, you will be ready when the chance to get it comes around.

    Simple.

    It's not knowing what hands you're going to be dealt, it's going into the game not knowing what rules you're playing by or what hands are what. It's the dealer telling you jacks are wild but 4 hands in changing it to deuces. It's posting the rules and odds by the front door, and changing them at the table.

    The rules were never “posted at the door”, Many players just assumed them based on 1-2 data points.

    However, aside from that your analogy is pretty accurate. You are playing by house rules here and anything can happen. We all just have to change our perspective to realize that and play the game accordingly.

    If the hand changes to deuces being wild, understand that jacks WILL be back again at some point.

    I believe when they answered with "We will try to do better with communication", that was "posting by the door." Then turned around and did the opposite (essentially changing the rules), and with the shortest window in the game's history.

    My issue is not with people not being ready. They should have, most assuredly. Unless you're very new, you should either be ready, very close to being ready or resigned to the fact you prioritized other toons. No complaint from me on the issue of being ready or not. I'm glad their back, I have them already but I know others do not.

    My issue is the fact that they again said one thing, and did another. How many times can a playerbase deal with it before it becomes too much?
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    Pretty sure we're going to have all the event / marquee / legendaries in a string, just enough to get one last good panic farm out of everyone.... and then they'll raise the level cap, and introduce new characters (and a new meta) that nullify CLS/JTR/Thrawn so we can start the grind all over again.

    Good times.

    PS. I got my CLS this morning.... so I'm happy, but I understand that this was basically a triple **** move on CG's part.

    Releasing Jtr, when people expected CLS - **** move
    So people stopped farming CLS to panic farm JTR, didn't make it in time, and then CG was like, "oh yeah we'll do better about comm-" CLS EVENT!
    no announcement, again... **** move....

    screwing over all those people that might have been ready for CLS if JTR hadn't popped up?... **** move.

    Oh well. Here's to hoping they solve their technical issues and learn to add a 10x bronzium button. That's the release I really want.
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    Look - after a late night session on Friday where devs said they'd provide better communication and event information following Diggs-gate - it's admittedly sad CLS came out the way it did. This is one side of the conversation, it's on point, and it's valid.

    But, on the other side, some of us have been playing from day 1 (ish) and we're trying to give some of you guys real advice. The game has always been kitten-poor at communication - it's never going to change - it's like reading a story with an unreliable narrator, if it's a good book, you need to work with that narrator to fish out the story.

    Do not forget - most of this game is a casino. There a lot of lights and sounds trying to distract you, a lot of slot machines. But there is a reward for focus in this game. If you identified CLS as a toon you want, you keep farming everything you need and you don't worry about anything else.. you can't. Your guild isn't happy with your focus? Leave. A good guild is going to want everyone to have CLS in their roster, clearly. Same for JTR.

    TL:DR; 8 hour CLS communication is a foot in the mouth for devs. Focus is the real game in SWGOH.
    #AcolyteShootsTwice
  • kello_511
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    kello_511 wrote: »
    I never really understand much this passion for such "honest" communcation.

    It's a game. The nature of a game is that there are circumstances out of your control that you have to adapt to. That is what makes any game a game. It's how they work. Imagine playing poker but being told every hand you and your opponents are going to be dealt beforehand. It wouldn't be a game anymore. One would just be going through the motions of a game.

    Said it before and sure I'll say it again - if there is one character that you absolutely want then farm it hard and farm it irrespective of what else is going on around you. Then, you will be ready when the chance to get it comes around.

    Simple.

    It's not knowing what hands you're going to be dealt, it's going into the game not knowing what rules you're playing by or what hands are what. It's the dealer telling you jacks are wild but 4 hands in changing it to deuces. It's posting the rules and odds by the front door, and changing them at the table.

    The rules were never “posted at the door”, Many players just assumed them based on 1-2 data points.

    However, aside from that your analogy is pretty accurate. You are playing by house rules here and anything can happen. We all just have to change our perspective to realize that and play the game accordingly.

    If the hand changes to deuces being wild, understand that jacks WILL be back again at some point.

    I believe when they answered with "We will try to do better with communication", that was "posting by the door." Then turned around and did the opposite (essentially changing the rules), and with the shortest window in the game's history.

    My issue is not with people not being ready. They should have, most assuredly. Unless you're very new, you should either be ready, very close to being ready or resigned to the fact you prioritized other toons. No complaint from me on the issue of being ready or not. I'm glad their back, I have them already but I know others do not.

    My issue is the fact that they again said one thing, and did another. How many times can a playerbase deal with it before it becomes too much?

    I don’t think that the communication comment was specific towards event calendars though?
    As ry_diggs told us: sometimes the answer is “I can’t tell you”.

    I take this as one of those times. Essentially, the only option here is for us all to “expect the unexpected” and know that events will return with little to no notice.

    I know that it’s isn’t ideal, but those seem to be the “rules of the game” so our only choice is to know them and to play by them.
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    xeo wrote: »
    Going forward, pick the legendary toons you want, prioritize and start farming for that toon now regardless of when you think it will come up next.

    This game is about resource management and unless you are throwing money at the game, those resources are limited.

    I missed jtr both times and as peeved as i am at the devs for the last minute warning, the fault is on me. I chose to divert my resources towards improving my arena teams. I have no regrets.

    These legendaries will be back. If i get booted from my guild for not having jtr ill find one that doesnt require her. (Fun fact: my guild doesnt require her or cls)

    Good post.

  • warmonkey
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    Empiric1 wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    Empiric1 wrote: »
    Again, the problem isn't the players. It's the team who promised better communication (after being chided for no communication not a week before), and then dropped 2 major characters with the shortest window in the game's history.

    Should people have been ready? Yes. But that isn't the bigger issue here.

    Why should they announce legendaries !! If you want the character than farm the required toons, it doesn't take that long. I have all legendaries except BB8 and JTR and I've only been playing since December!

    Maybe they feel it's a nice surprise when people log in and see it, I know I was excited when I saw a guildie promoted r2 to 7 stars then checked the event page and bang there he is with CLS

    Maybe because they promised to do so? Just go to Q&A they felt that was neccessary after the very bad coomunity work lately. There they state they want to improve and clearify the release cadence for legendaries. and now they just do the opposite.

    They get more and more disconnect from their community and therefore their customers its just sad to see what happens if revenue seems to be the most important maxime ;(

    They are a public company, of course maximising revenue is the most important thing for them.

    Guess what happens when they maximise revenue though ? They get more funding from EA which means more developers, more product managers, more artists, etc which in turn makes a better game which in turns brings more revenue. Don't think of your short term pains of missing out on a character for a couple of months, think of what more money brings in to the game in long run.

    Guess what happens to a game that doesn't bring revenue ? It gets cancelled. We should be praising the creators of this game for building such a great gaming experience not attacking them

    Normally this is true but what have we got with the millions they make? New backgrounds and a new toon every once in awhile that always comes out buggy. New content is just old content repackaged, same enemies and gameplay. New raid is just the new two sith and dn with new raid mechanics that make only a couple teams useful for heroic because they didn't know how to Nerf them like jrey recently before it came out to force it into nothing but a dps and hope for good Rng mode which they want. TB was designed around platoons instead of interesting gameplay (I love DSTB though but just look at the descriptions of those missions there to see how much they care.). The last time we actually got something new that wasn't a toon is the wicket event with the AAT (my favorite event and gamemode). These QOLs and updates are stuff that should have been in game or fixed last year.

    Instead of actual new content to play with we get devs coming to forum to say "they hear us and have plans for this and that soon" which means absolutely nothing. They do something that makes players mad, say they will try harder for the future, and then continue on like nothing's changed.
  • Well_I_Never
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    Xoulrath wrote: »
    But unfortunately I don't even have a full Empire team built up yet. I've got Vader and Palp at 5*, and about five others between 2 and 4*. And those that I have at lower star levels are among the hardest farms in the game. Sorry, but I'm not blowing a few hundred bucks or more due to what I consider shady business practices.
    That sounds like entirely your decision.
    That's 7 Empire characters. If you had chosen 5 and stuck to them, then the shards you have on the other 2 could have been gained on the 5 for the team to unlock R2 & you would be in a better position.
    All down to your own decisions.
    Xoulrath wrote: »
    I play this game for the toons that I love from Star Wars. That's why in spite of the fact that I now know that Mace is awful, I still finished leveling him to 7* and continue to use him. Because he is one of my fave SW characters. Well, so is Luke (and not that janky FB version, one with a lightsaber). Now I get to wait for who knows how long until the next time he pops up.
    As Luke Skywalker is the central character of the original films, he is probably a large number of people's (at least one of) favourite character.
    That automatically means he is strongly wanted by almost all players, certainly the version(s) that everyone wants, anyway.
    As you say, no-one is bothered about Farm Boy.
    Waiting until he next pops up is what literally everyone else has had to do, if they weren't in a position to gain him on his first appearance.
    Some chose to farm the respective teams needed to obtain him, some switched to different teams.
    The former people gained him on his second appearance, the latter didn't.
    Follow that same pattern to this appearance....
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    I have never seen a bigger bunch of complainers in a game. You complain that CLS is not back, complain that CLS is back, complain that you missed JTR, they give JTR and you complain about that. You say where is communication, they post, then you complain about the post. You complain about it is a money grab, so you don't buy stuff, then you complain that they don't spend the money to fix what you consider bugs. I honestly do not know how CG deals wtih this!
  • Well_I_Never
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    qfwm2001 wrote: »
    I have never seen a bigger bunch of complainers in a game. You complain that CLS is not back, complain that CLS is back, complain that you missed JTR, they give JTR and you complain about that. You say where is communication, they post, then you complain about the post. You complain about it is a money grab, so you don't buy stuff, then you complain that they don't spend the money to fix what you consider bugs. I honestly do not know how CG deals wtih this!
    You do realise that different people are in different positions &, therefore, have different complaints?
    I doubt if any of the people who complained that CLS was not back are the same people complaining that he is.
    Common sense should tell you that.
    They made a reported $13M this month. I imagine that makes it quite easy to deal with.
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    To all the people defending the 8 hr notice:

    If you remove CLS from the equation, and replace it with a new required character, do you still think 8 hrs is reasonable? Key word is reasonable. You can't reasonably do anything in 8 hrs. short of using your credit card. 2 days for JTR wasn't reasonable, but there was a small window that people could work with, if they were within striking distance- which obviously excludes people who weren't already farming for the event.

    The fact there hasn't been one peep from the @CG folks only solidifies my belief that the Q & A was lip service at best.

    So, to reiterate, it's not the toons, it's not the events, it's not should've could've would've - the issue is consistently getting worked over by the devs. Telling me "I can't say" is better than radio silence, or in this case, a direct action completely opposite from what they just said.
  • Mc_Iavell
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    How much I hate complainers of the complainers is a mistery only God knows.

    As an user who already got JTR and CLS I still can understand why the outrage of the persons who are not ready to collect those characters. Did you forget you received weeks of forewarning in order to get ready and unlock those two pixels?
    Did you notice a change of trend in communication by the CG/EA whatever they are involved into? I am noticing this: and because of people like you they could keep this method: just release what they're asking, no matter the fact 99% people won't be ready. You're only validating this new management because of your sycophantness.

    Edit: typos
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    It's almost 10 months since I started this game. I have both cls and rey. I couldn't get them in first time. But I am surely easily got them when they appeared second time. Sorry but if you are not a new player and cry about not farming required toons. You should think about if you are playing this game correctly. We all know there is no specific date for any toons we only guess but if you are good farmer or player you know if you miss some toons start immediately. You cant say its should've been come at may the 4th. There are no fun and any diversity among players if they told us a month before the event. Then everyone will got them. I am not saying the intention is this ( It is obvious to make money) but it makes this game fair. If you want a toon just start now. Cry about this when they gave you no time to farm a toon. but come on.. this is the 3rd time cls appears.
  • Jeric
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    This is a non issue. HJ events don't need to be telegraphed or even communicated. The issue with communication is honestly focused around other elements with the game, and the tact and soft-skills of the employees. HJ events should be a surprise with no set cadence. But, the psychology of being wrong is what it is for some.
  • Well_I_Never
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    qfwm2001 wrote: »
    I have never seen a bigger bunch of complainers in a game. You complain that CLS is not back, complain that CLS is back, complain that you missed JTR, they give JTR and you complain about that. You say where is communication, they post, then you complain about the post. You complain about it is a money grab, so you don't buy stuff, then you complain that they don't spend the money to fix what you consider bugs. I honestly do not know how CG deals wtih this!
    You do realise that different people are in different positions &, therefore, have different complaints, right?
    I doubt if any of the people who complained that CLS was not back are the same people who are now complaining that he is.
    Don't know how they deal with it? $13M in a month helps!
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    Jeric wrote: »
    This is a non issue. HJ events don't need to be telegraphed or even communicated. The issue with communication is honestly focused around other elements with the game, and the tact and soft-skills of the employees. HJ events should be a surprise with no set cadence. But, the psychology of being wrong is what it is for some.

    Oh, thank you!
  • deryl
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    Empiric1 wrote: »
    Vanov77 wrote: »
    Empiric1 wrote: »
    I started playing in December and I already have Thrawn 5 stars (I was only lvl 70 when he came around so couldn't 7 star it), Palpa 7 stars, I will now have R2D2 and CLS at 7 stars as well.

    and out of curiosity, how much did you pay?

    What do you mean how much I paid ?? All the chars required are F2P.

    Thrawn - Phoenix f2p
    Palpa - Phoenix f2p
    R2D2 - I did with Palpa, Vader (f2p), Stormtrooper ( Galatic store?), TFP (Cantina) and Tarkin (Squad)
    CLS - Old Ben (cantina) Luke ( free character + cantina), r2d2 (f2p), Leia ( squad), STHan ( squad and this months login)

    So what's your point ? I haven't spent a penny on any of those legendaries.

    Oh and btw I get rank 1 with ships almost every day so 400 crystals, because I chose to invest heavily in my ship squad ( TFP, Boba, Tarkin, Vader, Biggs, FOTP) instead of doing silly farms like I see a lot of new players doing.

    And I used to get top 10 in squad as well but since Palpa rework I get top 20 which still gives me another 200-250 crystals.

    So actually I'm getting about 800 crystals a day (whatever the dailies reward is).

    People just don't know how to farm properly in this game even though there are like a hundred guides out there then complain when they get no notice.

    For the record all I did was follow the Adaptive F2P V2 guide and didn't stray from it at all. I'm working on bb8 now and the only one I'm going to struggle with is JTR because of the Vets (that we can all agree is a bad farm).

    Well, it looks like I don't know how to farm properly... I can't find that part in the Adaptive F2P V2 guide where it says how to get Mother Talzin and Zombie to 7* though. Congrats on unlocking CLS so fast but please stop misleading other players that you've done it all in only 4 months as a F2P player.
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    I just dont understand the concept behind hiding dates of reoccuring events. New content would be understandable, but this is too much. These small time panic farms are getting old. Do this for new events not characters that have been around for quite some time. Some new players will take this short notice bait, sure, but what percentage would that be? This practice is driving mid tier players out.

    It's panic farming... they got a two for one deal by doing both events like this.
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    ...well...
    I just jumped in to say "Hallo" to my guild mate Vanov.

    (but I do also agree on what he wrote)
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