The idea is for everyone to work around each other instead of making everybody waste 5 refreshes a day trying to get their payout. I would suggest just allying some of the people in the top end and messaging them to see if you can get added to the shard chat.
Farferi your delude, super angry and unable to hold yourself accountable.
The very fact we brought you in when we could have locked you out but still tried to help you shows our real motiviation which is for everyone to achieve the max crystals with in effort.
I locked and protected you so many times and my other fleet mates not in my PO because we play as a team.
You were in chat for many weeks and knew the rules but just didnt care for anyone but yourself.
You bumped your PO mates more than once<< that alone sir was out of order!!!
We love not having you in fleet chat as you were a nightmare and super rude as you would tell people to f**k off that not a woopsie on english ;-);
You admit you tried to turn fleet against me...dude are you crazy you were welcomed into a great fun freindly group to be helped and you try to hurt the fleet chat.
All of fleet chat thought you were an **** thats why I took the bullet and removed you so you would focus on me.
You need to seek help and find some honest way examine you behavior and motivations.
i think it is fair to the point where others have a legitimate chance of climbing the ranks without a huge group of ppl working to target one specific person. its not like ppl own the arena or rigth to whatever rank if someone legitimately beat u. but because they work with others u stand no chance, that would be a form of cheating i guess, but money in this game is like cheats also.. im in a shard chat now, its fairly new, but at this point we just try to be aware of eachothers payouts or cycle if ppl are same payout so its not a huge impact just yet. but hey, u would need to be able to hit those ranks atleast. i guess it is down to the flaw in this game with the excessive need for crystals just to do 3x cantina 3x normal energy, that is bare minimum required the way i see it. this game cost way to much without a good reward from either ships or arena. ive never seen anything like it in my 20 years as gamer, its too much.
lol so funny you think people colude? I guess they all want top 10... like you do...but if the shard would be muted magicaly, what? they would stop wanting top 10, how about you cry to CG to extend the rewards from 1 based on activity in zone rather then bashing snipers that snipe like you lol
God it's like every week, so you want 1 with 10 people that colude?
Traya= they can't stop you
Enfis= they can't stop you
Better mods = they can't stop you
So you lack this things why do you think you deserve 1? because what you got zep or rex? because you snipe, I suppose if you were on a chat you would complain about snipers and how CG should do something about snipers
Double standards, zep is good but a top 10 team it is not...not alone anyways
Take 1 20 minutes before AND QUADRA lock for 20 minutes - spend 300 crystals on this like many coluders end up doing becuase of all the snipers 50 first refresh 100 second refres - for climb then lock in maybe refresh 2-3 battles timer
its unethical that ppl not within a shard that would normally hit 1# if not ppl were excluding said person to reach 1#. and constantly hammering said person. but i do believe in a larger group of ppl who would hit 1# to work together and cycle so that all benefit equally, that i got nothing against. that just seems fair imo. and until ppl from my ship shard join chat, its a lockoutfest, i got one guy battling me for 1 there and i can kill all his ship in 1 minute. he would do same to me so, yeah. he will if given the opportunity, fair enough. 9/10 times i beat him anyway. and he do better in arena then me so i dont feel bad about it.
Collusion in arenas exist because most players are pragmatic and have determined that it is the best means to co-exist with your otherwise rivals. The fact that payouts occur anytime between 5PM and 7PM for most players is ridiculous and most people have serious commitments during those times.
If not for shard chats, SWGOH life would be a lot more stressful. Imagine worrying about getting sniped while you're participating in work meetings, driving home, playing a game of sport or having dinner with your family. So much easier knowing you can land a high spot in character and fleet arena and know your shardmates aren't going to take your spot.
I'm in shard chats with 30+ players in both arenas and its quite cordial - aside from the odd little drama. Outliers who take on the group have their rough edges ground down soon enough.
SWGOH is won through diplomacy, alliances and pragmatism. Shard chats are a means to make those concepts a reality.
There is no rule suggesting you cannot be social with the people you're grouped with in a mobile game.
The only way to reduce the effectiveness of such chats is to reorganise arena shards on a regular basis - like every several weeks. That's a logistical nightmare because you have players competing for payouts at each hour of the day and it would mess up somebody's payout. It would also need to randomise your ranking. Imagine dropping from 1 to 1073 or something. It couldn't be made to work.
Another idea is to change the payout system so that your payout aligns with the highest tank you're able to achieve in any 24 hours period. The current system of forcing you to accept payout in such a fine window is silly and is what drives chats and alliances.
When are the game developers going to do something about the PVP cheating rings (aka shard chats)?
They will do absolutely nothing about it. There are at least a hundred pages of threads with people seeking out shardmates in this folder alone and they've been doing so since the inception of this game..
What do you think the purpose is for these peple attempting to reach out to each other?
you want to get #1 or higher up then fight for it and have a team worthy of holding on D.. As a competitive person I enjoy battling folks throughout the day so just deal with it. Nothing is owed to you or given to you nor should anything be expected! You want it, fight for it.. Either sack up and get on board or go play something else where you wont get your feelings hurt..
arena is “pvp” and I think all these care bears need to realise that, most are just butt hurt because they have been denied access to the shard chat, mostly because the meta changes and they manage to climb up to close to top 20 for a day and expect entry.
Alot of these guys will have been up the top for a while and focus more on arena than the avg casual, putting more effort into squads and mods,
should these guys just roll over to some random who feels entitled to reach top rank with an inferior squad and mods.
How about we all disband our shard chats and these people complaining will have an even harder time reaching the top.
The tops guys would just shoot down an inferior team regardless of “shard chat collusion” which I don’t think people seem to understand.
The shard chats have made arena kinda boring imo and I’ve been on the verge of just going rogue on my own shard quite a few times because of people feeling entitled to reach top ranks
should these guys just roll over to some random who feels entitled to reach top rank with an inferior squad and mods.
The sense of entitlement cuts both ways, really. Some of you guys have colluded and hoarded the top spots so long, it's very obvious that you believe those Ranks are Yours.
And... if somebody can reach a top spot with an inferior squad and mods... so what? Boo hoo. They got there fairly by playing the game and out-playing better teams, rather than banding with a group of fellow whales to bump all the "randoms" who are trying to climb.
It's the reason I barely bother with arena. I play the game to play it, not to negotiate if it's okay that today I get the top prize and tomorrow the other guy does. I'm a devout socialist in everything that's important--but video games are dumb and silly and don't matter at all. (Besides, the leaderboard chat groups aren't social collectives working for the betterment of all, they're plutocratic syndicates working for the betterment of their own bottom line at the exclusion and detriment of the working class.)
And all that's fine. If you're so scared of that purple number going down--or, rather, going up but at a slightly less vertiginous rate than usual--that you're going to stifle competition and gatekeep, then fine. Video games are dumb and silly and don't matter at all. But when someone calls you out for it, don't act like you're standing on the moral high ground or that you're doing nothing wrong. The worst are the folks who brag about taking first place every day in General Discussion, like we don't know that would end the minute your cabal decides you aren't worthy any more...
It's the reason I barely bother with arena. I play the game to play it, not to negotiate if it's okay that today I get the top prize and tomorrow the other guy does. I'm a devout socialist in everything that's important--but video games are dumb and silly and don't matter at all. (Besides, the leaderboard chat groups aren't social collectives working for the betterment of all, they're plutocratic syndicates working for the betterment of their own bottom line at the exclusion and detriment of the working class.)
And all that's fine. If you're so scared of that purple number going down--or, rather, going up but at a slightly less vertiginous rate than usual--that you're going to stifle competition and gatekeep, then fine. Video games are dumb and silly and don't matter at all. But when someone calls you out for it, don't act like you're standing on the moral high ground or that you're doing nothing wrong. The worst are the folks who brag about taking first place every day in General Discussion, like we don't know that would end the minute your cabal decides you aren't worthy any more...
When are the game developers going to do something about the PVP cheating rings (aka shard chats)?
You might be the biggest cry baby on the forums. If you are not good enough get better I battled my butt off 3 days in a row with refreshing and sniping. To get 1 in my shard and they didn't like it! So they reached out to me now I'm 1 every day you must be jealous. So stop crying and get better
I have joined a shard chat 3 weeks ago.
Apparently they have been looking for me bacause sometimes I may spoil somebody else's payout.
It is not as bad as how it is described here.
They are just regular nice guys just like us.
They don't kick newcomers out , in fact they reach out to other players.
The only ones who haven't joined our shard chat are mostly the ones who could not speak English.
What we do is watch out for each others' payout time.
Make sure that we are not making unnecessary attacks during somebody else's payout.
If people share payout times, they just try to stay away from each other.
Most people would not get rank 1 always because there are also some krakkens around whom not everyone could beat.
I am not arguing if it is right or wrong.
I would just like to say that these groups (or maybe most of them) are not as bad as they are described in this thread.
The sense of entitlement cuts both ways, really. Some of you guys have colluded and hoarded the top spots so long, it's very obvious that you believe those Ranks are Yours.
And... if somebody can reach a top spot with an inferior squad and mods... so what? Boo hoo. They got there fairly by playing the game and out-playing better teams, rather than banding with a group of fellow whales to bump all the "randoms" who are trying to climb.
Well the whales are fine to bump any they see fit tbh, that’s the advantage they gain by spending money on the game.
Shard chat or not they would be at the top bumping others regardless.
A lot of people don’t seem to understand this and just blame shard chat collusion for the reason they can’t break into the top/constantly bumped/can’t hold rank/sniped/blocked etc.
Just because you make a high rank doesn’t mean anything if you can’t hold it,
Shard chat or not
My shard chat is 80% about trying to stay out of each others way... And in the case of players in the chat with the same payout, sharing the top spots, and avoiding the need to be online 5min and spend extra attempts just to avoid sniping.
The only players that have been excluded are those that refuse to respect others.
Collusion in arenas exist because most players are pragmatic and have determined that it is the best means to co-exist with your otherwise rivals. The fact that payouts occur anytime between 5PM and 7PM for most players is ridiculous and most people have serious commitments during those times.
If not for shard chats, SWGOH life would be a lot more stressful. Imagine worrying about getting sniped while you're participating in work meetings, driving home, playing a game of sport or having dinner with your family.
If you build a strong team, you can achieve a good tank without having to worry...... Just curious, when you are "playing a game of sport", do you or your team take turns with the others so you can arrange the standings and match outcomes?
Even if just for the sake of keeping your opponents and fights fresh, I wouldn't mind a shard mixup (based on start date, of course)—I'm kind of tired of fighting the same people over and over. Breaking up the circles at the top would just be a side benefit.
First, think of why it's always the same people at the top (which isn't true as high as the 20-50 range). These are the people who put in the most time into the game, farmed the best characters, mods, zetas, gear (especially G12 pieces). While many of these factors can be overcome relatively easily, mods stand out as something not easily achievable by many, and that's the biggest difference at the top of the arena. If your team is poor, no amount of help will get you to the top.
top players earned their spots, and if they are over a year or 2 are holding #1 ranks, there's a reason for it, and its not the shard chats. they dont "need" the help, they can do jsut fine without it, but it will cost them bit more crystals - and the others will pay much more crystals.
soo @Graives can we stop with this lie ? you dont even believe yourself. you wanna try snipe them ? good luck. i wouldn't recommend.
Collusion in arenas exist because most players are pragmatic and have determined that it is the best means to co-exist with your otherwise rivals. The fact that payouts occur anytime between 5PM and 7PM for most players is ridiculous and most people have serious commitments during those times.
If not for shard chats, SWGOH life would be a lot more stressful. Imagine worrying about getting sniped while you're participating in work meetings, driving home, playing a game of sport or having dinner with your family.
If you build a strong team, you can achieve a good tank without having to worry...... Just curious, when you are "playing a game of sport", do you or your team take turns with the others so you can arrange the standings and match outcomes?
When I play my sport, I give up 4-5 hours of my Saturday arvo - occasionally on Sundays also - so I play to win given the time investment required. But then again, I play sport at amateur level and I'm not playing for sheep stations.
Professional sport with wagering outcomes is littered with examples of teams that have tanked in order to engineer certain outcomes. The Philadelphia 76'ers is one such example. They played poorly for several consecutive seasons in order to engineer obtaining high draft picks. The strategy executed is now bearing fruit as they have an arsenal of excellent, young talent which is helping them to finally realise success on the court.
Football (soccer) world cups also have had numerous examples where teams sabotage group games so to engineer a more favourable match-up in subsequent knock-out phases. Hypothetically, let's say you've played two group games which has made elimination from the group impossible and advancement to the next phase a certainty. If you win your final game, you'll be paired with Brazil. If you draw or lose, you'll be paired with say... Sweden. Would you play to your best and certainly meet Brazil next; or rest a few of your best players and potentially draw/lose so you could meet Sweden, a lower ranked opponent?
Bringing this back to SWGOH, the time investment required is significant if you want to perform at a strong to elite level. Part of that requires good performance in arenas. If a group of similarly minded, similarly time poor individuals, are able to co-operate together to optimise outcomes and limit the otherwise time investment each person is required to make, what is the harm in that? Do I make myself crystal clear?
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The very fact we brought you in when we could have locked you out but still tried to help you shows our real motiviation which is for everyone to achieve the max crystals with in effort.
I locked and protected you so many times and my other fleet mates not in my PO because we play as a team.
You were in chat for many weeks and knew the rules but just didnt care for anyone but yourself.
You bumped your PO mates more than once<< that alone sir was out of order!!!
We love not having you in fleet chat as you were a nightmare and super rude as you would tell people to f**k off that not a woopsie on english ;-);
You admit you tried to turn fleet against me...dude are you crazy you were welcomed into a great fun freindly group to be helped and you try to hurt the fleet chat.
All of fleet chat thought you were an **** thats why I took the bullet and removed you so you would focus on me.
You need to seek help and find some honest way examine you behavior and motivations.
Its never too late to grow as a person chap.
Genuine good luck to you sir.
Traya= they can't stop you
Enfis= they can't stop you
Better mods = they can't stop you
So you lack this things why do you think you deserve 1? because what you got zep or rex? because you snipe, I suppose if you were on a chat you would complain about snipers and how CG should do something about snipers
Double standards, zep is good but a top 10 team it is not...not alone anyways
Take 1 20 minutes before AND QUADRA lock for 20 minutes - spend 300 crystals on this like many coluders end up doing becuase of all the snipers 50 first refresh 100 second refres - for climb then lock in maybe refresh 2-3 battles timer
It's a shame.
Collusion in arenas exist because most players are pragmatic and have determined that it is the best means to co-exist with your otherwise rivals. The fact that payouts occur anytime between 5PM and 7PM for most players is ridiculous and most people have serious commitments during those times.
If not for shard chats, SWGOH life would be a lot more stressful. Imagine worrying about getting sniped while you're participating in work meetings, driving home, playing a game of sport or having dinner with your family. So much easier knowing you can land a high spot in character and fleet arena and know your shardmates aren't going to take your spot.
I'm in shard chats with 30+ players in both arenas and its quite cordial - aside from the odd little drama. Outliers who take on the group have their rough edges ground down soon enough.
SWGOH is won through diplomacy, alliances and pragmatism. Shard chats are a means to make those concepts a reality.
There is no rule suggesting you cannot be social with the people you're grouped with in a mobile game.
The only way to reduce the effectiveness of such chats is to reorganise arena shards on a regular basis - like every several weeks. That's a logistical nightmare because you have players competing for payouts at each hour of the day and it would mess up somebody's payout. It would also need to randomise your ranking. Imagine dropping from 1 to 1073 or something. It couldn't be made to work.
Another idea is to change the payout system so that your payout aligns with the highest tank you're able to achieve in any 24 hours period. The current system of forcing you to accept payout in such a fine window is silly and is what drives chats and alliances.
They will do absolutely nothing about it. There are at least a hundred pages of threads with people seeking out shardmates in this folder alone and they've been doing so since the inception of this game..
What do you think the purpose is for these peple attempting to reach out to each other?
Its legal and annoying but if you want, you should collude with others with your own alliance.
Alot of these guys will have been up the top for a while and focus more on arena than the avg casual, putting more effort into squads and mods,
should these guys just roll over to some random who feels entitled to reach top rank with an inferior squad and mods.
How about we all disband our shard chats and these people complaining will have an even harder time reaching the top.
The tops guys would just shoot down an inferior team regardless of “shard chat collusion” which I don’t think people seem to understand.
The shard chats have made arena kinda boring imo and I’ve been on the verge of just going rogue on my own shard quite a few times because of people feeling entitled to reach top ranks
The sense of entitlement cuts both ways, really. Some of you guys have colluded and hoarded the top spots so long, it's very obvious that you believe those Ranks are Yours.
And... if somebody can reach a top spot with an inferior squad and mods... so what? Boo hoo. They got there fairly by playing the game and out-playing better teams, rather than banding with a group of fellow whales to bump all the "randoms" who are trying to climb.
And all that's fine. If you're so scared of that purple number going down--or, rather, going up but at a slightly less vertiginous rate than usual--that you're going to stifle competition and gatekeep, then fine. Video games are dumb and silly and don't matter at all. But when someone calls you out for it, don't act like you're standing on the moral high ground or that you're doing nothing wrong. The worst are the folks who brag about taking first place every day in General Discussion, like we don't know that would end the minute your cabal decides you aren't worthy any more...
Let the proletariat eat cake
You might be the biggest cry baby on the forums. If you are not good enough get better I battled my butt off 3 days in a row with refreshing and sniping. To get 1 in my shard and they didn't like it! So they reached out to me now I'm 1 every day you must be jealous. So stop crying and get better
Apparently they have been looking for me bacause sometimes I may spoil somebody else's payout.
It is not as bad as how it is described here.
They are just regular nice guys just like us.
They don't kick newcomers out , in fact they reach out to other players.
The only ones who haven't joined our shard chat are mostly the ones who could not speak English.
What we do is watch out for each others' payout time.
Make sure that we are not making unnecessary attacks during somebody else's payout.
If people share payout times, they just try to stay away from each other.
Most people would not get rank 1 always because there are also some krakkens around whom not everyone could beat.
I am not arguing if it is right or wrong.
I would just like to say that these groups (or maybe most of them) are not as bad as they are described in this thread.
Well the whales are fine to bump any they see fit tbh, that’s the advantage they gain by spending money on the game.
Shard chat or not they would be at the top bumping others regardless.
A lot of people don’t seem to understand this and just blame shard chat collusion for the reason they can’t break into the top/constantly bumped/can’t hold rank/sniped/blocked etc.
Just because you make a high rank doesn’t mean anything if you can’t hold it,
Shard chat or not
The only players that have been excluded are those that refuse to respect others.
If you build a strong team, you can achieve a good tank without having to worry...... Just curious, when you are "playing a game of sport", do you or your team take turns with the others so you can arrange the standings and match outcomes?
First, think of why it's always the same people at the top (which isn't true as high as the 20-50 range). These are the people who put in the most time into the game, farmed the best characters, mods, zetas, gear (especially G12 pieces). While many of these factors can be overcome relatively easily, mods stand out as something not easily achievable by many, and that's the biggest difference at the top of the arena. If your team is poor, no amount of help will get you to the top.
You want "fresh" opponents, there is TW.
Start sniping some of the people in your shard chat who occupy your payout time, and see how long you can stay up there without the support.
[quote="Geshtianna;c-1576495"If your team is poor, no amount of help will get you to the top.[/quote]
If your team is the best, no amount of help should be needed.
You ever watch the movie gladiator? When Maximus got all the gladiators to cooperate and slaughter the ones in chariots who were supposed to win? xD
soo @Graives can we stop with this lie ? you dont even believe yourself. you wanna try snipe them ? good luck. i wouldn't recommend.
When I play my sport, I give up 4-5 hours of my Saturday arvo - occasionally on Sundays also - so I play to win given the time investment required. But then again, I play sport at amateur level and I'm not playing for sheep stations.
Professional sport with wagering outcomes is littered with examples of teams that have tanked in order to engineer certain outcomes. The Philadelphia 76'ers is one such example. They played poorly for several consecutive seasons in order to engineer obtaining high draft picks. The strategy executed is now bearing fruit as they have an arsenal of excellent, young talent which is helping them to finally realise success on the court.
Football (soccer) world cups also have had numerous examples where teams sabotage group games so to engineer a more favourable match-up in subsequent knock-out phases. Hypothetically, let's say you've played two group games which has made elimination from the group impossible and advancement to the next phase a certainty. If you win your final game, you'll be paired with Brazil. If you draw or lose, you'll be paired with say... Sweden. Would you play to your best and certainly meet Brazil next; or rest a few of your best players and potentially draw/lose so you could meet Sweden, a lower ranked opponent?
Bringing this back to SWGOH, the time investment required is significant if you want to perform at a strong to elite level. Part of that requires good performance in arenas. If a group of similarly minded, similarly time poor individuals, are able to co-operate together to optimise outcomes and limit the otherwise time investment each person is required to make, what is the harm in that? Do I make myself crystal clear?