The Problem with Marquee characters and my idea to fix it
August 26, 2018 4:37AM
edited August 2018
as we all know, the past few months have been bombarded with marquee after marquee, and the situation has deteriorated, I understand that CG Carrie and others have finally noticed this issue, but all we have heard is that they will introduce more legendary's, and less marquee's. this would be fine if not for the following problems that make marquee characters frustrating.
1. you only get about 2-3 days, after that the event is gone and it will only be available in packs
2. once the packs expire, we have to wait 2-3 months before they get to chromium packs and shipments
3. then you need to wait another 3 months, and most of the time these characters are put into hard nodes, which make them so infuriating to farm that it can take another 6 months to 7 star these characters
so ultimately, the main weak point of marquee events, is that we have to wait a whole 6 months until we can properly farm them in single hard node farm, which could take another 6-9 months. by that point its a full year, and the games meta could drastically change by then, making these characters unusable.
so here are my solutions for making marquee character problem more bearable
1. when the marquee event is over, immediately put the characters in shipments, there is no reason we have to wait 3 months just to put them in that store, it allows us to at least farm the character better and keep the pace of the game better
2. reduce the time it takes to put a character in a farmable state from 3 months to 1 month at most, 1 month should get you enough data to properly put these characters in the game
3. finally, before putting the character in a store (NOT A HARD NODE!!) you put in a poll and have the community vote on how valuable a character is and where they are useful
this will allow you to analyze how good a character is from the community and put them in a store accordingly, for example
for characters that revitalize a faction or have amazing utility such as bastille or enfys nest, put them in hard to farm stores like guild events or shard shop
for characters who still have utility but fill more niche roles such as jolee, t3, qi-ra, and zaalbar and mission, you can put them in the cantina store or guild store
and for either filler characters that (personal opinion) don't ad much to the game or can't fulfill a roll or for characters you've run out of space for: like young lando, you can put them in Galactic war store
HOWEVER, IM NOT DONE
I also have a solution to the bronzium currency issue, that could help alleviate the issue of marquee characters! I call it, the marquee pack
the pack costs between 2,500-5,00 bronzium (as an example) and you randomly can get 5-10 shards of a marquee character, every single marquee character introduced in this game is put in the pack, and to avoid more cluttering, nothing else will be in the pack, no gear, no credits or ability mats, just marquee
now you would probably get so many different character shards that trying to get a specific character would be impossible, but if you want to avoid players farming the pack, i have a solution to that aswell.
1. make it so the pack is on a cooldown of the pack is to 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock, like stores
2. make it so players that want to refresh the pack have to fork up 50 crystals to refresh the pack
3. finally, if your really single about it, make it so that the pack disappears and won't come back until the next day
and if you ignore all of this advice, and continue to put characters in hard nodes, at least have the decency to increase the amount of tries back to 8, and make this a permanent change. thats all for me, lemme now what you all think
1. you only get about 2-3 days, after that the event is gone and it will only be available in packs
2. once the packs expire, we have to wait 2-3 months before they get to chromium packs and shipments
3. then you need to wait another 3 months, and most of the time these characters are put into hard nodes, which make them so infuriating to farm that it can take another 6 months to 7 star these characters
so ultimately, the main weak point of marquee events, is that we have to wait a whole 6 months until we can properly farm them in single hard node farm, which could take another 6-9 months. by that point its a full year, and the games meta could drastically change by then, making these characters unusable.
so here are my solutions for making marquee character problem more bearable
1. when the marquee event is over, immediately put the characters in shipments, there is no reason we have to wait 3 months just to put them in that store, it allows us to at least farm the character better and keep the pace of the game better
2. reduce the time it takes to put a character in a farmable state from 3 months to 1 month at most, 1 month should get you enough data to properly put these characters in the game
3. finally, before putting the character in a store (NOT A HARD NODE!!) you put in a poll and have the community vote on how valuable a character is and where they are useful
this will allow you to analyze how good a character is from the community and put them in a store accordingly, for example
for characters that revitalize a faction or have amazing utility such as bastille or enfys nest, put them in hard to farm stores like guild events or shard shop
for characters who still have utility but fill more niche roles such as jolee, t3, qi-ra, and zaalbar and mission, you can put them in the cantina store or guild store
and for either filler characters that (personal opinion) don't ad much to the game or can't fulfill a roll or for characters you've run out of space for: like young lando, you can put them in Galactic war store
HOWEVER, IM NOT DONE
I also have a solution to the bronzium currency issue, that could help alleviate the issue of marquee characters! I call it, the marquee pack
the pack costs between 2,500-5,00 bronzium (as an example) and you randomly can get 5-10 shards of a marquee character, every single marquee character introduced in this game is put in the pack, and to avoid more cluttering, nothing else will be in the pack, no gear, no credits or ability mats, just marquee
now you would probably get so many different character shards that trying to get a specific character would be impossible, but if you want to avoid players farming the pack, i have a solution to that aswell.
1. make it so the pack is on a cooldown of the pack is to 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock, like stores
2. make it so players that want to refresh the pack have to fork up 50 crystals to refresh the pack
3. finally, if your really single about it, make it so that the pack disappears and won't come back until the next day
and if you ignore all of this advice, and continue to put characters in hard nodes, at least have the decency to increase the amount of tries back to 8, and make this a permanent change. thats all for me, lemme now what you all think
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even if your right, they always put them in a hard node farm, which takes atleast 6 months if you are lucky, the fact is by the time these characters can be put at 7 stars, the games meta has far outpaced them. this is the main problem with these types of characters, not necessarily the time to put them in, but WHERE they put these characters. thats what my solution was mainly about
No point in suggesting cantina, GW or arena stores either. Devs have said nothing will be added to them.
thank you for clarifying that for me, i didn't read the cadence so i wasn't sure if Ghost is right, so thank you for that.
as for cantinas, GW, or arena, thats a real shame, as some marquee characters really could be a good fit in those stores. i hope that CG may lighten up that rule in the future
to be fair, i do think that you are right in terms that 7 star characters are not exactly necessary, however, if someone wanted to do that they should have a more streamlined approach to making that possible. im not saying it shouldn't take a lot of time, but 6 months for one character? that is nuts
also, i need to apologize for suspecting your information on when marquee characters are introduced, that i realize i made a mistake over thanks to christoph. so thanks for saying that
Apparently my auto correct has its own opinion regarding the timeframe claims,
glad we can agree to that now
what do you mean by "hit 80 to unlock" thing? do you refer to the bronzium pack? also this pack is solely for marquee characters, no one else. since its harder to get them in hard nodes, i thought this would be a nice little solution, maybe i should up the values a little but i still think it may be a good idea
As long as enough people buy them early and they remain profitable the cadence won't change. The game has to make money and because of that some things just won't benefit F2P'ers.
Maybe if it was 1mil or so, because the gamble pack costs about $10 and you usually get 5-10. Hard node drops are fine with me, just wish they would do 2 or not make most of them the most expensive ones. Nest did bother me cause it seemed like a ploy to force me to invest in ships. I didn't like ships that much before and now it's even worse. Also pretty sure they ate gonna release 3 events in the near future where we need all the characters they just released so the sooner they get them out hopefully the longer we have to farm them.
yeah, guess your right. the more i think about it, the more i think marquee characters aren't that bad. i just wished some of them weren't so broken
So you are admitting you were just ranting. Ok case presented, case dismissed
yeah, although i thought it was a really good idea, it seems there are still much i need to learn. thanks for the discussion though, its been very helpful and enlightening
As per the proposal, we would get every character in 1-2 months, so it would be pointlrss for anyone to buy them, so it wouldnt generate any income.
And thats just NOT ok....
It should be our own choice if we want to farm shards for gear or for new characters in the shops...
Its a bad excuse for putting all new characters in hard nodes...
I have hated this right from the beginning, because it makes No. Sense... Why have them when they are just left for dust? Come on!
Six months after release, most non legendary characters should end up in a store. Right now we have none and it has to change. CG has to understand their current stance is not sustainable. The game is always moving forward and new characters are made available every month anyway.
Oh, I have a conspiracy theory: they are letting us burn through all our saved currency before added stuff to the stores again. It's all a lie.
And still, the worst thing is the excuse!
Thats clearly not what CG thinks. If theyd think making the users happy is a factor to consider at least:
-they would have created STR with a completely different mechanic (without rng fest and annoying prot regens)
-they would have created a fair reward structure
-they would have never introduced 3v3 at ships
-they would have not nerfed Reaper, Acolyte
-they would have never introduced 6 dot mods
-they would have never created slicing
-they would have not flooded the game with useless marquees
-they would have tested their patches
And so on and so on.
There was a questionaire on fleet2 satisfaction, and 70%+ voted that they dont like it... Hence its not on me, but the majority of the users.