So I just joined a new guild recently, and they apparently voted that Rancor will go on 24/no dmg and that only one person will do any damage, and just solo it, and everyone else will get a "random" placing.
This sounded "ok", I guess, however the placing of people does NOT look random? What determines who will come in 2nd, or last place in this case? I joined the raid once right at the start, and the next time I joined right before damage could start, and both times I placed last ~30th very disappointing this method for this raid.
If I at least knew what was the determining factor here maybe I could get better rewards. TIA
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The person who placed first on sign up can solo it and save 49 other people the 5 to 10 minutes it takes to solo it. It's much more sensible than forcing all 50 players to solo stupid Rancor every 2 to 3 days.
You can tell before any damage is done too, like this time I joined right before the damage started and I was already in last place at that point. The first time I joined at the beginning and was in 1st or 2nd, and then everyone that joined after me just kept knocking me further down the ladder so weird
Doesn't sound like justice to me, more of a dictatorship
It really is random, a random seed is generated upon sign up which is used as a tie-breaker for identical scores. Anyone who did not sign up would not have his position show up yet but if he also solos the raid, he will also have a random seed generated upon his raid completion.
Long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, it used to be based on your player ID, so anyone starting with A was blessed. Mine was rek, and I was rekt real badly.
You click JOIN during the join period. Check where you are on that list, AND: IT'S RANDOM and does not take into account WHEN you click JOIN. Are you in #15 spot? #50 spot? #1 spot?
Remember that number.
Run the Raid. Anyone who solo's the whole thing technically ties with score, so the game goes back to the JOIN list and rearranges everyone who has an identical score based on where they were on the JOIN list. If you were #10 but you were the highest slotted person on the JOIN list that was able to solo you'll get #1.
If you posted 245,389 damage and someone else in your guild happened to do exactly the same, the two of you would be slotted in based on your total damage, probably somewhere near the bottom. BUT one of you would be ahead of the other: that is determined by who was higher on the join list.
In your exact case: 49 people post a 0 score. 1 person solos. He/she/they get #1 rewards and everyone else just gets slotted based on the JOIN list. So if you were #1 on join list, you would get #2 rewards because someone outscored you.
This.
It's purely random, you are assigned a random seed the moment you sign up. I watch it quite carefully throughout the years. With the new algo the tiebreakers are determined at the moment you sign up. So you are able to foresee your position if you solod it. (not the exact placement but the order you'll get amongst other soloers)
This is what I was led to believe, except, my position CHANGED the first time! I was in spot 1 or 2 after I joined as I joined first or second (can't remember), then after 30 more people joined, I came dead last! So the next time I joined last, and then I STILL came last!
I used to be good at math, not anymore, here is what a google search showed for this to happen:
Odds of coming in 30th place with 30 people: 1 in 30 = 0.03%.
Odds of it happening twice in a row: 1 in 900 = 0.001%, that is some kind of really bad luck there if true.
Keep watching, only thing that's important is the moment you join. As others keep joining with their unique seeds your overall placement will keep changing, but if your seed turns out to be the highest number you'll still end up first (before anyone hits the raid). It really doesn't matter when you do this.
The placements before you join is %100 unimportant.
That'll show you where you'll end up.
If you are the 3rd to join of course you can get bumped down the list. It's all random until everyone has joined OR the raid begins, then it's locked.
Since the ranking is random, after a (very) large number of raids it will even out, so that each guild member had the same average rank and same amount of rewards. We do the same on evenings when Rancor raids collide with other raids. It's fine and fair.