Just added JKA zeta (“Righteous Fury”) and have been experimenting in arena. The crucial bit reads as follows:
“If Padme Amidala is an ally, she takes a bonus turn after each of Anakin’s bonus turns.”
Now when fighting DR, if Ani bonus turn is procced both he and Padme will have full TM as they are both meant to take bonus turns. After Ani’s turn, however, if Malak health threshold is tripped such that his bonus turn will kick in, he will *always* go before Padme. Now I understand that bonus turns will take precedence over full TM, but if Padme is also taking a bonus turn with Ani shouldn’t she go immediately following or at least have it be a coin flip with Malak? The current order of operations is definitely not WAI and seems like she is forgoing this bonus turn for simply having a full TM bar. Since she’ll have deathmark and invariably be targeted by Malak with his health steal, this defeats the purpose of the zeta.
I have video for any devs interested.
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Get. Over. It.
If you still don't want to believe it think of it like this,
Padmé takes a bonus turn AFTER Anakins bonus turn.
During Anakins bonus turn he triggers Malaks bonus turn then Anakins turn ends so technically Malaks bonus turn is triggered first.
Makes sense I think.
The devs literally said in the November Q&A that the turn order between Padme and Malak should be random and it is not.
Oh then my favourite answer:
RnG
You can record like 50 battles in a row where Malak goes first and upload to youtube and the "must defend CG at all cost" people would still tell you that it's just RNG.
But, these kinds of bugs, while frustrating for the players, are very low priority because.... well, fixing them doesn’t improve “player engagement”.
The negotiator mirror is a small sample size situation (only my personal experience), and something I haven't seen anyone else speak up about so it could just be a series of bad coinflips
I'd love to see a video where malak does not go before Padme if JKA procs his bonus turn because that has never happened and its not coin flip scenario
I have also experienced that interaction, but assumed I was missing something in one of the kits. Hopefully it will get addressed in the next QnA.
I haven't seen Padme go right after Ani when Malak's turn is triggered. Like, ever.
This is simply incorrect information and not how it is working. It may be what they intend to happen but in reality malaak will act before padme 100% of the time because he costs more.
A “bonus turn” is most definitely not actually a bonus turn. Not by what common semantics suggests, anyway.
Filling the TM bar to 100% and giving that specific toon precedence is NOT a bonus turn. That’s “unpreventable turn-meter gain,” it’s totally different.
A bonus turn SHOULD indicate a stop in all TM effects for all toons, toon takes a bonus turn, apply the effects of the action, and then TM starts again for all toons. However, this is very clearly not what happens, and it’s a miscarriage of bonus turns the world over.
If my Anakin has 99% TM and his “bonus turn” is proc’d, I effectively used a zeta for a 1% TM gain. There’s nothin “bonus” about that. In this scenario, Anakin should take his bonus turn, then Padmé should take her bonus turn (if JKA is zeta’d), then JKA SHOULD return to his original 99% TM and padme to her original TM.
What’s worse, as many players are indicating, is that there’s a sequence in which this zeta is actually harmful, and that goes against the spirit of the game.
If my Padmé has 99% turn meter, Anakin at 98% TM, and enemy Malak at 0% TM while taunting and enemy HK at 100% TM, chances are good that my Padmé is going to die. HK brings Padmé below 50% health, gives her Deathmark, anakin gets a 2% TM increase for his “bonus turn,” attacks Malak and triggers his bonus turn, draining & killing Padmé before she gets to take her bonus turn. Complete waste of a zeta.
The terminology “bonus turn” is completely bogus, it is false. Unpreventable turn-meter gain DOES NOT EQUAL bonus turn, and I’m very surprised that this isn’t the actual issue at-hand
That's just a matter of opinion though. "bonus turn" is just the wording they chose to use, which isn't the same as "unpreventable turn-meter gain" i might add since the bonus turn takes precedence over other toons at 100% TM.
It's not that i disagree about the wording, but describing what a bonus turn actually does is much more "wordy" than simply refering to it as a bonus turn (eventhough it's not really a bonus turn by what common semantics suggest).
The other alternative, changing the mechanic to make it work like common semantics suggest would drastically improve the ability itself, which arguably isn't preferable over how it currently works.
As for your example, the way you suggest a bonus turn should work doesn't change anything if the order in which bonus turns are taken doesn't change, you'd still lose padme if she doesn't go before malak. It's also not like the zeta is harmfull, without the zeta you would have lost padme in that scenario as well. The zeta is just useless in that particular scenario, which isn't uncommon for zetas. If none of your team members gets below 50% health the zeta is completely useless as well for example.
OT: Based on their own words and assuming malak always takes his bonus turn before padme takes hers, this is definitely bugged.
It's not that i disagree about the wording, but describing what a bonus turn actually does is much more "wordy" than simply refering to it as a bonus turn (eventhough it's not really a bonus turn by what common semantics suggest)."
You refer to it as a matter or opinion but conclude that it's not because of what common semantics suggest .
You agree it's not a bonus turn but suggest changing the wording is a pain.
Next turn would be more fitting than bonus turn in this situation while also saving 1 letter lol.
How it should work is a matter of opinion, or how it should be called for that matter. That doesn't change because i agree with the person i quoted that the term "bonus turn" is giving the impression that it does slightly more than it actually does. That doesn't not make it a bonus turn, so the ability describtion isn't wrong and how it should work/be called is still just a matter of opinion.
Hopefully that clears up what i meant.
It's entirely possible that players come up with better wording than the devs did, but "the next turn" instead of "a bonus turn" would be worse imo. "If Padmé Amidala is an ally, she takes the next turn after each of Anakin's next turns. ", or Han Solo taking a next turn at the start of each encounter for that matter. On top of that it won't work either when Anakin triggers Malak on his "bonus/next turn" because it would result in both Padme and Malak taking the "next turn" which is obviously impossible.