It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
You absolutely can play how you want - just realize that that comes with the trade off of hurting you in certain areas of the game.
Don't want to develop Geos? That's fine - but you won't be much help in the Wat mission for your guild. The same with clones and the Kam mission.
Many good characters require you to build up factions to acquire them. That's part of the game - always has been. The journey guide is exactly that.
You can farm, gear and relic whoever you want - just realize that there are consequences. And yes, having consequences based on your choices is fair. That's not only true in this game, but IRL too.
I understand all this, but it is different in GAC. I should not be going up against these opponents because I can't win, and there is no way to break out of this. They get stronger as I get stronger, and the power discrepancy does not narrow.
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.
You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.
Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.
Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.
But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?
There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.
And that doesn't make your point any more valid. Obviously the people who made equally wrong choices are going to side with the argument that favors them.
The TB comparison has a fair point. If you want Wat shards, you gear Geos even if your preferred pet project at the moment would be Rogue one. Similarly, GLs are the PvP meta, if you want to do well in a PvP game mode, you take KRU to r7 (and the other requirements), not STH.
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.
You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.
Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.
Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.
But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?
Rosters without GL should be paired with similar GP. It's simple. I could have every character reliced, but if the opponent has one GL, I lose.
1) but what if you continue relicing characters that don’t unlock GLs? Eventually there could be nobody with equivalent GP to you who doesn’t own a GL. Who are you matched with then?
2) now you’re being obtuse. If you genuinely relic every character but don’t have a GL, you’d need to be a tactical disaster area to automatically lose to someone who has 1 GL.
If I choose to relic subpar characters then I accept that the match would be an uphill battle against an opponent who has only reliced vader, grievous, jkl, etc, but the power discrepancy isn't so bad in that case. I could reasonably make up for it by being creative and micromanaging. GLs are on a completely different level.
So you accept that roster building decisions can make your life more difficult if you make poor ones?
There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.
But there are obviously plenty who disagree with you.
The bit I don’t understand is that you are clearly intelligent, given the well structured nature of your responses, but you have failed to react to the situation. You know how matchmaking works, you know that relicing characters that don’t make progress towards unlocking a GL gives you increasingly tougher matchups, but you don’t seem to be keen to do anything about improving the situation.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
The GP cost for SLKR. Without him, half of these would not have been farmed much less powered up and the other half would ve a C-squad likely below my matchmaking GP threshold by this point.
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.
You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.
Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.
Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.
But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?
There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.
And that doesn't make your point any more valid. Obviously the people who made equally wrong choices are going to side with the argument that favors them.
The TB comparison has a fair point. If you want Wat shards, you gear Geos even if your preferred pet project at the moment would be Rogue one. Similarly, GLs are the PvP meta, if you want to do well in a PvP game mode, you take KRU to r7 (and the other requirements), not STH.
No, the TB comparison is not fair. There is a way out of that. You progress and get better. In GAC, from where I'm at, we get better at the same rate. I just brought malak to relic and now I'm seeing opponents with 3 GLs. I can't win now and I won't win down the road. The effect on GP isn't explicitly stated in game, so I can't be expected to know about that. I'm sure they will do something about this as they release more content.
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.
You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.
Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.
Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.
But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?
Rosters without GL should be paired with similar GP. It's simple. I could have every character reliced, but if the opponent has one GL, I lose.
1) but what if you continue relicing characters that don’t unlock GLs? Eventually there could be nobody with equivalent GP to you who doesn’t own a GL. Who are you matched with then?
2) now you’re being obtuse. If you genuinely relic every character but don’t have a GL, you’d need to be a tactical disaster area to automatically lose to someone who has 1 GL.
If I choose to relic subpar characters then I accept that the match would be an uphill battle against an opponent who has only reliced vader, grievous, jkl, etc, but the power discrepancy isn't so bad in that case. I could reasonably make up for it by being creative and micromanaging. GLs are on a completely different level.
So you accept that roster building decisions can make your life more difficult if you make poor ones?
There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.
But there are obviously plenty who disagree with you.
The bit I don’t understand is that you are clearly intelligent, given the well structured nature of your responses, but you have failed to react to the situation. You know how matchmaking works, you know that relicing characters that don’t make progress towards unlocking a GL gives you increasingly tougher matchups, but you don’t seem to be keen to do anything about improving the situation.
1. I'm not against getting GLs. I'm working on JML now. I understand what I need to do, so I'm doing it. My problem is that once I get a GL, my opponents will have that much more.
The effect on GP isn't explicitly stated in game, so I can't be expected to know about that. I'm sure they will do something about this as they release more content.
1) It's not super easy to find and maybe not as explicit as you want, but it does tell you this in game
2) Nope
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
You can dig yourself out of the hole you’ve dug, it’s not too late. As @TVF said, get your own GL(s). When i started gac I hated it bc I always lost, then I got better about adjusting my roster choices to make gac easier for me, which made matchups easier overall and winning much easier.
Recently I took a bunch of chars to r5 for crancor, and now I’m getting “bad” (aka bad for me due to the decisions I made) matchups and not winning as much.
Now that I have plenty of crancor toons I can go back to being more selective on my choices, which will make gac easier again.
We can complain about gac mm rules, but they are what they are. We can either adjust our behavior or not, just don’t be surprised or upset at the very predictable outcome.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
You can dig yourself out of the hole you’ve dug, it’s not too late. As @TVF said, get your own GL(s). When i started gac I hated it bc I always lost, then I got better about adjusting my roster choices to make gac easier for me, which made matchups easier overall and winning much easier.
Recently I took a bunch of chars to r5 for crancor, and now I’m getting “bad” (aka bad for me due to the decisions I made) matchups and not winning as much.
Now that I have plenty of crancor toons I can go back to being more selective on my choices, which will make gac easier again.
We can complain about gac mm rules, but they are what they are. We can either adjust our behavior or not, just don’t be surprised or upset at the very predictable outcome.
I am getting my own GL, but my opponents keep getting more difficult. I can't catch up.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.
I'm not pushing for a big overhaul here, but you all have to admit I have a point, at least. I can't win. I can't say that enough. What is the point of competition if I'm not given a chance?
I don't care what should be changed or what the reason is for why players like me ended up in these matchups. I'm just saying, in any competition, all parties deserve a level playing field, in principle. Going up against 3 GLs to my none is not a fair shot. It's absurd.
Give me worse prizes for not getting a GL. I don't care. I just want to have fun playing this game again. That alone should lend at least some credence to my protest.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.
3 GLs vs no GLs. I can't win. That is not fair. Anyone got anything better than that to throw at me? I'm not wrong!
Gac is a mode where strategy plays an important part. The point of strategy is getting you in a position to fight an unfair battle. So players who used about the same amount of resources to build their top 80 are matched against each other. The ones who made the ‘best’ use of their resources have the best army and start the battle with an advantage, sometimes a huge one if the opponent made questionable choices (regarding building a gac army, there are no bad choices per se imo). However, there is a point to make in the fact that those choices are definite as you can’t devolve a character. But matchmaking does it job as it allows strategy to play a central mode in the game mode imo.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.
3 GLs vs no GLs. I can't win. That is not fair. Anyone got anything better than that to throw at me? I'm not wrong!
It’s beyond obvious that there’s no point carrying this on anymore.
You’ve made up your mind and won’t be convinced otherwise. But you’re doing nothing to convince those who disagree with you that you’re right, either.
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.
They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!
No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.
3 GLs vs no GLs. I can't win. That is not fair. Anyone got anything better than that to throw at me? I'm not wrong!
It's ok if you wanna develop fun (but inferior in pvp) chars and don't wanna chase the meta teams. Just stop whining about being smashed in a competetive pvp mode then. I don't buy myself an off-road car and take it to the race track expecting to get a top lap time competing with race cars.
When I eat a lot of candies, eventually I'll get a tooth ache. Now, I can say It's not fair, or I can adjust my eating habits.
You made your choices. We all were. Now you complain why because of your decisions, you don't win as much.
Furthermore- you refuse to listen to the ways correcting your decisions.
Guess what? people don't relic Rose Tico, RP, Phasma, C3PO & Darth Sidious because the like it- they do it, they invest over 400k gp in order to get an advantage in Arena/GAC/Assaults and now Conquest too.
No matter how you decide to invest your resources, it come with a price. And you can pretend you don't know the price because the mechanics of GAC matchmaking was well known for over a year. You demand everyting will bend to you will and called it fair, but no, fair is letting people know how GAC matchmaking work, how the game works, and then give everyone the option to choose their own path. Everyone started from the very same point, and each one develop his rosters & ship by gis own free will. That's fair
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
You can dig yourself out of the hole you’ve dug, it’s not too late. As @TVF said, get your own GL(s). When i started gac I hated it bc I always lost, then I got better about adjusting my roster choices to make gac easier for me, which made matchups easier overall and winning much easier.
Recently I took a bunch of chars to r5 for crancor, and now I’m getting “bad” (aka bad for me due to the decisions I made) matchups and not winning as much.
Now that I have plenty of crancor toons I can go back to being more selective on my choices, which will make gac easier again.
We can complain about gac mm rules, but they are what they are. We can either adjust our behavior or not, just don’t be surprised or upset at the very predictable outcome.
I am getting my own GL, but my opponents keep getting more difficult. I can't catch up.
What you are missing is that you won’t be fighting the same opponents. It’s not like you have 0 GL’s they have 1 then you have 1 they have 2 so you can’t catch up. Once you start focusing your roster you will start becoming more on par with the enemies you fase.
Now, if someone took Ewoks Phoenix and empire to r7, with no gl, it’s going to take much longer to right the ship.
Also, when you go for a gl, horde the gear and do things all at once. Taking kru and Hux to relic while your redboi is 5* (and same goes for relic’ing some while others aren’t ready to relic, like g11) will make gac even harder.
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.
Yes it does
Where.
Info screen.
This. And discussed ad nauseum here and in most guild chats, Youtubers, etc.
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.
3 GLs vs no GLs. I can't win. That is not fair. Anyone got anything better than that to throw at me? I'm not wrong!
If you are in div 1 with almost 6mil GP and don’t have the characters you listed, that’s on you. I took a quick look at your GAC history and there seem to be a fair number of teams you have trouble with so I’m pretty sure having a couple GL’s will change little. You have rounds where the score is tied simply because neither of you even bothered to attack. You lost that one because they had too many GL’s?
The system is designed around a progression of metas that have a singular purpose of making CG money. I’m pretty sure they are not going to change the matchmaking to specifically group players who choose to ignore the key characters in those metas simply because it would remove one of the key incentives to get those characters.
But as has been stated already, we are unlikely to change your mind so I’ll bow out at this point.
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.
Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.
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Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.
I understand all this, but it is different in GAC. I should not be going up against these opponents because I can't win, and there is no way to break out of this. They get stronger as I get stronger, and the power discrepancy does not narrow.
The TB comparison has a fair point. If you want Wat shards, you gear Geos even if your preferred pet project at the moment would be Rogue one. Similarly, GLs are the PvP meta, if you want to do well in a PvP game mode, you take KRU to r7 (and the other requirements), not STH.
2) now you’re being obtuse. If you genuinely relic every character but don’t have a GL, you’d need to be a tactical disaster area to automatically lose to someone who has 1 GL.
So you accept that roster building decisions can make your life more difficult if you make poor ones?
But there are obviously plenty who disagree with you.
The bit I don’t understand is that you are clearly intelligent, given the well structured nature of your responses, but you have failed to react to the situation. You know how matchmaking works, you know that relicing characters that don’t make progress towards unlocking a GL gives you increasingly tougher matchups, but you don’t seem to be keen to do anything about improving the situation.
No, the TB comparison is not fair. There is a way out of that. You progress and get better. In GAC, from where I'm at, we get better at the same rate. I just brought malak to relic and now I'm seeing opponents with 3 GLs. I can't win now and I won't win down the road. The effect on GP isn't explicitly stated in game, so I can't be expected to know about that. I'm sure they will do something about this as they release more content.
1. I'm not against getting GLs. I'm working on JML now. I understand what I need to do, so I'm doing it. My problem is that once I get a GL, my opponents will have that much more.
2. Ad hominem
1) It's not super easy to find and maybe not as explicit as you want, but it does tell you this in game
2) Nope
I can't win. How is that fair?
Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
You can dig yourself out of the hole you’ve dug, it’s not too late. As @TVF said, get your own GL(s). When i started gac I hated it bc I always lost, then I got better about adjusting my roster choices to make gac easier for me, which made matchups easier overall and winning much easier.
Recently I took a bunch of chars to r5 for crancor, and now I’m getting “bad” (aka bad for me due to the decisions I made) matchups and not winning as much.
Now that I have plenty of crancor toons I can go back to being more selective on my choices, which will make gac easier again.
We can complain about gac mm rules, but they are what they are. We can either adjust our behavior or not, just don’t be surprised or upset at the very predictable outcome.
I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.
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I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.
Yes it does
I am getting my own GL, but my opponents keep getting more difficult. I can't catch up.
Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?
You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
Where.
I don't care what should be changed or what the reason is for why players like me ended up in these matchups. I'm just saying, in any competition, all parties deserve a level playing field, in principle. Going up against 3 GLs to my none is not a fair shot. It's absurd.
Give me worse prizes for not getting a GL. I don't care. I just want to have fun playing this game again. That alone should lend at least some credence to my protest.
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
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A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.
3 GLs vs no GLs. I can't win. That is not fair. Anyone got anything better than that to throw at me? I'm not wrong!
You’ve made up your mind and won’t be convinced otherwise. But you’re doing nothing to convince those who disagree with you that you’re right, either.
They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:
No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.
Info screen.
It's ok if you wanna develop fun (but inferior in pvp) chars and don't wanna chase the meta teams. Just stop whining about being smashed in a competetive pvp mode then. I don't buy myself an off-road car and take it to the race track expecting to get a top lap time competing with race cars.
You made your choices. We all were. Now you complain why because of your decisions, you don't win as much.
Furthermore- you refuse to listen to the ways correcting your decisions.
Guess what? people don't relic Rose Tico, RP, Phasma, C3PO & Darth Sidious because the like it- they do it, they invest over 400k gp in order to get an advantage in Arena/GAC/Assaults and now Conquest too.
No matter how you decide to invest your resources, it come with a price. And you can pretend you don't know the price because the mechanics of GAC matchmaking was well known for over a year. You demand everyting will bend to you will and called it fair, but no, fair is letting people know how GAC matchmaking work, how the game works, and then give everyone the option to choose their own path. Everyone started from the very same point, and each one develop his rosters & ship by gis own free will. That's fair
What you are missing is that you won’t be fighting the same opponents. It’s not like you have 0 GL’s they have 1 then you have 1 they have 2 so you can’t catch up. Once you start focusing your roster you will start becoming more on par with the enemies you fase.
Now, if someone took Ewoks Phoenix and empire to r7, with no gl, it’s going to take much longer to right the ship.
Also, when you go for a gl, horde the gear and do things all at once. Taking kru and Hux to relic while your redboi is 5* (and same goes for relic’ing some while others aren’t ready to relic, like g11) will make gac even harder.
This. And discussed ad nauseum here and in most guild chats, Youtubers, etc.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
If you are in div 1 with almost 6mil GP and don’t have the characters you listed, that’s on you. I took a quick look at your GAC history and there seem to be a fair number of teams you have trouble with so I’m pretty sure having a couple GL’s will change little. You have rounds where the score is tied simply because neither of you even bothered to attack. You lost that one because they had too many GL’s?
The system is designed around a progression of metas that have a singular purpose of making CG money. I’m pretty sure they are not going to change the matchmaking to specifically group players who choose to ignore the key characters in those metas simply because it would remove one of the key incentives to get those characters.
But as has been stated already, we are unlikely to change your mind so I’ll bow out at this point.
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