Look at it this way...GW is this games version of practice area...with rewards. I've learned quite a bit using force closing...like different ways toons act at different spots in the roster. And different ways the ai reacts to toons in various spots.
If GC decide to penalize ppl for force closing the app during battle, I'm perfectly ok with that. But waiting for an official response from them on how they think I should use my gaming platform, that's just silly. Nobody tells me what to do with my own phone.
If it's not in the game and not in the ToS then it's not a rule.
If GC decide to penalize ppl for force closing the app during battle, I'm perfectly ok with that. But waiting for an official response from them on how they think I should use my gaming platform, that's just silly. Nobody tells me what to do with my own phone.
If it's not in the game and not in the ToS then it's not a rule.
Agreed. I was asking for a clarification because I don't wanna face any problem coming from nowhere without a previous warning if in the future I'll feel the need of using this strategy as well.
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If they ban this force close and something makes my phone close during GW...me and others will complaints about that for sure....ALL BIG GAMES OUTSIDE DOES NOT BOTHER WITH FORCE CLOSE but this new game acts like a big one if they implement it...wow....
people who says about unsportmanship are kids under 15 yrs old I believe....if you want it to be ban, please LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN FINISH GW as F2P players...
More disadvantages for F2P like me and others.....
people who says about unsportmanship are kids under 15 yrs old I believe....if you want it to be ban, please LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN FINISH GW as F2P players...
More disadvantages for F2P like me and others.....
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Can do...did it last night with 5 ppl no restart needed.
That being said I very much doubt they will ban people for it, I occasionally use it as above just to test out my team a little bit if I find a strong team I want to work on. Even if you do not force close and just forget to go for your phone mid battle sometimes when you go back it will already have restarted and it would mean you can only do GW at a time you k ow you will not receive a call. Just way too awkward the amount of people who will innocently suffer would be huge and a lot of them would be high paying customers who do lack time and can be randomly busy.
With some of the **** matchups you face in GW, like for instance a Leia, FOTP, Old Ben, Qui Gon, Poe doozy I faced today, force closing is an opportunity to test out lateral thinking and strategy skills.
I actually prefer it to the retreat method, which feels really cheesy. I like to try and stick the fight out from start to finish, but when you got Leia and FOTP one shotting characters, you feel sorta like Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow.
I think common sense should be able to answer this question just as certainly as a Dev response.
If force close was game design, they would have put an interface button like they did for retreat. Force Closing is cheating, as you are exploiting an unintended glitch (or game design). The same is true for the Vader shard exploit. It also was due to players manipulating a glitch. They are taking action on the Vader issue.
I think common sense should be able to answer this question just as certainly as a Dev response.
If force close was game design, they would have put an interface button like they did for retreat. Force Closing is cheating, as you are exploiting an unintended glitch (or game design). The same is true for the Vader shard exploit. It also was due to players manipulating a glitch. They are taking action on the Vader issue.
They can't design the game to interact in that way with the platform you're using to play the game. As stated several times in here, if you penalize ppl for force closing the app, you're gonna end up with a lot of unhappy customers. This is an entirely different issue than the Vader shards.
Oh, and it was a bug. Not a glitch. A glitch is often hardware fuckuppery, not software. And in either case, you can't exploit glitches because they're typically random. Bugs otoh aren't.
I have no idea where that word even came from. ^^ Begging the pardon of any readers who might feel that any kind of **** (even **** up) is just intolerable and thus should not be tolerated - much less exercised. **** - not even once.
Wow. The censorship is strong with this message board. I tried to censor the words myself, using asterisks (*). Apparently I didn't censor them hard enough.
I think common sense should be able to answer this question just as certainly as a Dev response.
If force close was game design, they would have put an interface button like they did for retreat. Force Closing is cheating, as you are exploiting an unintended glitch (or game design). The same is true for the Vader shard exploit. It also was due to players manipulating a glitch. They are taking action on the Vader issue.
Maybe what is needed is to add this "Restart" button. You can experiment, you can try out sifferent paths and it will help you improve odds of finishing.
Also, design or not, it does what it does, while Arena does something else. I treat it more as an easter egg that allows weaker players to catch up eith the rest of already extremely strong players. if the behaviour is changed, those that are weaker or started later, at disadvantage.
Because cH decides what happens when the app restarts, they can decide what must happen. I can assure you iOS allows the app to gracefully close, and could very trivially make you chars dead (or save the state) upon app close. Also, iOS guidelines is based on the assumption any application MUST be ready to be closed at any time. This is what made iOS popular. Even the OS forces closes applications.
My opinion is that CG can benefit thebuser base by stepping in and saying their position. And I'd most normally expect a response along the lines of:
"We want to clarify that when and why you close the app is your decision. And we reserve the right to change what happens in those cirscunstances any time. Enjoy the game!".
The primary reason is to stop this nonesense threads. I am sure there was no Test Case about deleting ALL aalirs and starting it iver even once. But there is a Test Case for what happens when you restart the app in primary locations. It's just impossible to not test that scenario.
You get to fight again? You still need to win. I think a Restart Battle and facing superior trams is much more fun, than just having easier teams to beat, or getting stuck everytime.
Noooo!!!! Dont ban me because of this please,,,, its my phone's battery fault!!!!
Really thats valid and unless they change the game design to save mid-match (which it does on other missions) then they cant call it any fault of rhe player because i have crushed my game for tons of reasons (wife, work, baby, battery, phone call, text, etc etc etc)
Here is the reality, i dont do it because my rewards feel unearned (you bet i did it before i had enough toons to beat it the rite way tho)
And to go a step further, i also dont retreat for the same reasons.
All that said, the devs designed it this way otherwise it would save ur spot in match like it does on all other missions. So no its NOT a cheat or even an exploit. Its designed this way and purposly different from the design of the other missions and its meant to be used this way
It needs to be fixed. It is clearly cheating. It harms the integrity of the game, and has made some players far more powerful then they should have ever been. Would like to see that addressed as well.
Cheating is cheating. Would like to see cheaters quit as well.
@JerBu, also, never use your right to remain silent and get a lawer, never return a product, don't ever use Waze as it gives you an advantage and driving wasn't designed that way, don't use Cruise Control, disallow companies from using Tax Specialists, do not take prep tests for your GMAT, and ahuge list of 950 other suggestions. Anyone not doing things your way should be baned from your country, and the legislative should no nonger focus on critical legislative changes for a safer and happier country, but on these 950 things that currently provide such an unfair advantage to fellow citizens.
I hope they don't change it. F2p needs these tricks to advance. A lot of people like myself with 20+ characters all leveled and geared find GW to be a breeze. No retreating or force closing. But thats a small % and everyone else deserves there fair shot at completing it everyday.
The real issue is that EA touted a beta as a full version. Now they want to penalize you for exploiting advantages from their oversight, which leads to users like those above worried they'll be in trouble.
You'll notice that revenue centered issues get fixed immediately, the Vader bug was patched immediately. Food for thought....
It needs to be fixed. It is clearly cheating. It harms the integrity of the game, and has made some players far more powerful then they should have ever been. Would like to see that addressed as well.
Cheating is cheating. Would like to see cheaters quit as well.
Fully disagree......
The devs designed it that way purposly lol.
Run a light mission, dark mission, challenege mission, cantina mission and force close at any moment then reload and what happens....... Its rite where you stopped "game paused, tap screen to continue"
GW is the only mission that does NOT save your exact spot. Its by design to allow players will less options to rethink strategy etc and try again rather then just missingbtheir rewards.
And if the devs designed it that way (which is clearly the case) then its working as intended until such time as a DEV (not you) voices otherwise. Its not for you to condem ppl as cheaters when they are clearly using the game as purposly designed. They wrote the code for it that way on purpose.
I hope they don't change it. F2p needs these tricks to advance. A lot of people like myself with 20+ characters all leveled and geared find GW to be a breeze. No retreating or force closing. But thats a small % and everyone else deserves there fair shot at completing it everyday.
Agreed, i too have a deep enough pool of options that no closing or retreating is needed (plus doing it is less fun anyway imo) BUT there are tons of ppl who need it to remain as designed and i agree it should remain an option for them
The Vader exploit was NOT patched immediately. It's been ongoing, and it was only when someone published a friggin guide to the forums on how to do it that they moved to fix it.
I hope they don't change it. F2p needs these tricks to advance. A lot of people like myself with 20+ characters all leveled and geared find GW to be a breeze. No retreating or force closing. But thats a small % and everyone else deserves there fair shot at completing it everyday.
Agreed, i too have a deep enough pool of options that no closing or retreating is needed (plus doing it is less fun anyway imo) BUT there are tons of ppl who need it to remain as designed and i agree it should remain an option for them
I agree too. I think it must have been intended. It would have been very easy to make it behave ligh regular missions or Arena. And they didn't.
The Vader exploit was NOT patched immediately. It's been ongoing, and it was only when someone published a friggin guide to the forums on how to do it that they moved to fix it.
Exactly. Fixing it sooner would help a lot. But maybe they dodn't know about it, or though it was so contained it'd be fixed in the upcoming update.
Another thing I noticed is when you Retreat, it feels artificial. You can side step the battle logic, clear taunts, undo dots, waste enemy specials on a straweman team you send.
When you FC or restart only, you have to beat the enemy squarely and fairly. You get to try more than once, but you still allow the enemy team to use their chars as intended. That's why I would rather have Retreat replaced by Restart, vs any other option. If you can't beat a team no matter how much you try, you still need to hone your strategy or rethink synergies.
Wow people do this? Seriously? Omg... Does no one actually just play games anymore without having to resort to cheating? And yes this is cheating, you are forcing the app closed to prevent data that goes against your favour till you gain from it. If you kept rolling a dice at a casino when no one was looking till you got the desired result, that is cheating, this is nothing different.
You already have a retreat feature to legitimately use.
I hope EA/CG is able to track accounts that have crashed/forced closed multiple times in quick successions and/or on a regular bases in battle, and are then punished accordingly.
Yes it su.cks to lose characters in GW or when RNG is against you, but that's part of the game and one of the few challenges in the game. Seriously what's the point in playing if you are going to cheat your way through the limited content.
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If it's not in the game and not in the ToS then it's not a rule.
Agreed. I was asking for a clarification because I don't wanna face any problem coming from nowhere without a previous warning if in the future I'll feel the need of using this strategy as well.
people who says about unsportmanship are kids under 15 yrs old I believe....if you want it to be ban, please LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN FINISH GW as F2P players...
More disadvantages for F2P like me and others.....
Hi there!
Can do...did it last night with 5 ppl no restart needed.
That being said I very much doubt they will ban people for it, I occasionally use it as above just to test out my team a little bit if I find a strong team I want to work on. Even if you do not force close and just forget to go for your phone mid battle sometimes when you go back it will already have restarted and it would mean you can only do GW at a time you k ow you will not receive a call. Just way too awkward the amount of people who will innocently suffer would be huge and a lot of them would be high paying customers who do lack time and can be randomly busy.
I actually prefer it to the retreat method, which feels really cheesy. I like to try and stick the fight out from start to finish, but when you got Leia and FOTP one shotting characters, you feel sorta like Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow.
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If force close was game design, they would have put an interface button like they did for retreat. Force Closing is cheating, as you are exploiting an unintended glitch (or game design). The same is true for the Vader shard exploit. It also was due to players manipulating a glitch. They are taking action on the Vader issue.
They can't design the game to interact in that way with the platform you're using to play the game. As stated several times in here, if you penalize ppl for force closing the app, you're gonna end up with a lot of unhappy customers. This is an entirely different issue than the Vader shards.
Oh, and it was a bug. Not a glitch. A glitch is often hardware fuckuppery, not software. And in either case, you can't exploit glitches because they're typically random. Bugs otoh aren't.
I can't believe 'stuffuppery' can get through the censors but stoopid can't.
Ppl agree whatever benefit them
And disagree whatever harm them
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Maybe what is needed is to add this "Restart" button. You can experiment, you can try out sifferent paths and it will help you improve odds of finishing.
Also, design or not, it does what it does, while Arena does something else. I treat it more as an easter egg that allows weaker players to catch up eith the rest of already extremely strong players. if the behaviour is changed, those that are weaker or started later, at disadvantage.
Because cH decides what happens when the app restarts, they can decide what must happen. I can assure you iOS allows the app to gracefully close, and could very trivially make you chars dead (or save the state) upon app close. Also, iOS guidelines is based on the assumption any application MUST be ready to be closed at any time. This is what made iOS popular. Even the OS forces closes applications.
My opinion is that CG can benefit thebuser base by stepping in and saying their position. And I'd most normally expect a response along the lines of:
"We want to clarify that when and why you close the app is your decision. And we reserve the right to change what happens in those cirscunstances any time. Enjoy the game!".
The primary reason is to stop this nonesense threads. I am sure there was no Test Case about deleting ALL aalirs and starting it iver even once. But there is a Test Case for what happens when you restart the app in primary locations. It's just impossible to not test that scenario.
You get to fight again? You still need to win. I think a Restart Battle and facing superior trams is much more fun, than just having easier teams to beat, or getting stuck everytime.
Really thats valid and unless they change the game design to save mid-match (which it does on other missions) then they cant call it any fault of rhe player because i have crushed my game for tons of reasons (wife, work, baby, battery, phone call, text, etc etc etc)
Here is the reality, i dont do it because my rewards feel unearned (you bet i did it before i had enough toons to beat it the rite way tho)
And to go a step further, i also dont retreat for the same reasons.
All that said, the devs designed it this way otherwise it would save ur spot in match like it does on all other missions. So no its NOT a cheat or even an exploit. Its designed this way and purposly different from the design of the other missions and its meant to be used this way
Cheating is cheating. Would like to see cheaters quit as well.
You'll notice that revenue centered issues get fixed immediately, the Vader bug was patched immediately. Food for thought....
Fully disagree......
The devs designed it that way purposly lol.
Run a light mission, dark mission, challenege mission, cantina mission and force close at any moment then reload and what happens....... Its rite where you stopped "game paused, tap screen to continue"
GW is the only mission that does NOT save your exact spot. Its by design to allow players will less options to rethink strategy etc and try again rather then just missingbtheir rewards.
And if the devs designed it that way (which is clearly the case) then its working as intended until such time as a DEV (not you) voices otherwise. Its not for you to condem ppl as cheaters when they are clearly using the game as purposly designed. They wrote the code for it that way on purpose.
Agreed, i too have a deep enough pool of options that no closing or retreating is needed (plus doing it is less fun anyway imo) BUT there are tons of ppl who need it to remain as designed and i agree it should remain an option for them
I agree too. I think it must have been intended. It would have been very easy to make it behave ligh regular missions or Arena. And they didn't.
Exactly. Fixing it sooner would help a lot. But maybe they dodn't know about it, or though it was so contained it'd be fixed in the upcoming update.
When you FC or restart only, you have to beat the enemy squarely and fairly. You get to try more than once, but you still allow the enemy team to use their chars as intended. That's why I would rather have Retreat replaced by Restart, vs any other option. If you can't beat a team no matter how much you try, you still need to hone your strategy or rethink synergies.
You already have a retreat feature to legitimately use.
I hope EA/CG is able to track accounts that have crashed/forced closed multiple times in quick successions and/or on a regular bases in battle, and are then punished accordingly.
Yes it su.cks to lose characters in GW or when RNG is against you, but that's part of the game and one of the few challenges in the game. Seriously what's the point in playing if you are going to cheat your way through the limited content.