The idea is to try to get as many offense up critical hit saber throws with zader, while stacking as many dots as possible with tusken shaman and zidious. I can’t speak to how viable it is without zidious, but you can certainly give it a shot. Zidious is great with Zader on an arena team so It could help you out in more than one area if you are looking at where to place your second zeta.
Ewok elder adds a lot of survivability to the strategy so it might have a higher floor in damage if your mods aren’t spectacular. Boba is what I have gotten the highest damage with. http://imgur.com/a/PzeL9
Captain Phasma is pretty important to the squad, because he gives the guaranteed crits on the saber throws. Tusken shaman is fairly important as well because his heal tops everyone off, and his offense up adds a lot to vaders damage. Perhaps you could beat that score without phasma, but you would be banking on a hell of a lot of lucky crits to do so.
I haven’t tried the Clone squad in phase 2 yet, but this empire squad seems to be the best there is in Phase 2 as of yet.
Lastly, If you don't have great mods, you won't be able to do 3m damage. This is in no way meant to imply that anyone can do this damage if you follow the guide. You will however be able to score higher than you currently are, and it should help you in moving up the rankings for your HAAT raids. If you feel the need to **** about how good my mods are, take it somewhere else. If you want some advice or insight on how to best increase your HAAT scores... I'm here and happy to help.
Very good score.
Offense up doesn't seem necessary, its impact on Vader saber throw is equivalent to one dot... So doesn't change anything.
Appart from that mostly agree with the strategy, well done !
Huh? Offense up makes the hit much bigger, it's 50% offense.
More important than advantage probly
I would think since it is applied before damage it is multipled into it
Say 10 dots
Damage * 1.5 * 6
Big difference than
Damage * 6.5
That is incorrect I beleive
All offense up buff stack so yeah offense up has same effect than an extra dot, just do the math
So yeah it's 6.5 not 9
@Cardiff0
There is one multiplier for Crit damage if it Crits and one multiplier for all offense boosts
Ok checking the game mechanics I stand corrected scuba
While offense boosts is applied on the physical damage of a toon, the damage increase of the ability is applied only at the end damage.
I double checked with the first massive culling blade he does ... 529k damage with 28 debuffs.
Only way to get there is if we assume a 2800 Vader with Crit damage set and triangle.
2800 * 1.8 * 3.26 * 15 *2.16 = 532k.
So I stand corrected, offense up is crucial here
Cool deal. I figured it had to go before the bonus damage. I have seen boba with offense down hit for about half the damage I would expect. Watched my chirrut shrug it of.
The idea is to try to get as many offense up critical hit saber throws with zader, while stacking as many dots as possible with tusken shaman and zidious. I can’t speak to how viable it is without zidious, but you can certainly give it a shot. Zidious is great with Zader on an arena team so It could help you out in more than one area if you are looking at where to place your second zeta.
Ewok elder adds a lot of survivability to the strategy so it might have a higher floor in damage if your mods aren’t spectacular. Boba is what I have gotten the highest damage with. http://imgur.com/a/PzeL9
Captain Phasma is pretty important to the squad, because he gives the guaranteed crits on the saber throws. Tusken shaman is fairly important as well because his heal tops everyone off, and his offense up adds a lot to vaders damage. Perhaps you could beat that score without phasma, but you would be banking on a hell of a lot of lucky crits to do so.
I haven’t tried the Clone squad in phase 2 yet, but this empire squad seems to be the best there is in Phase 2 as of yet.
Lastly, If you don't have great mods, you won't be able to do 3m damage. This is in no way meant to imply that anyone can do this damage if you follow the guide. You will however be able to score higher than you currently are, and it should help you in moving up the rankings for your HAAT raids. If you feel the need to **** about how good my mods are, take it somewhere else. If you want some advice or insight on how to best increase your HAAT scores... I'm here and happy to help.
Very good score.
Offense up doesn't seem necessary, its impact on Vader saber throw is equivalent to one dot... So doesn't change anything.
Appart from that mostly agree with the strategy, well done !
Huh? Offense up makes the hit much bigger, it's 50% offense.
More important than advantage probly
I would think since it is applied before damage it is multipled into it
Say 10 dots
Damage * 1.5 * 6
Big difference than
Damage * 6.5
That is incorrect I beleive
All offense up buff stack so yeah offense up has same effect than an extra dot, just do the math
So yeah it's 6.5 not 9
@Cardiff0
There is one multiplier for Crit damage if it Crits and one multiplier for all offense boosts
Bruh it's offense up, +50% offense, very simple
By that simple phrase, it's clear you don't understand a thing about damage calculation . So I won't debate with you here... Just have a look at the formula I showed above that clearly show it's a 1.8 factor not a 1.5 due to Vader lead...
Bruh please. Yes, you posted that formula after I told you it was a big error. It's you that didn't understand damage calculation, which is why you were wrong that offense up is not the same as a dot.. Don't be so angsty.
To put it in your terms, you thought the offense multiplier was 1.3, I thought it was 1.8. In my terms, obviously 50% offense gives an extra 50% base offense..
Also I don't understand 'a thing' about damage calculation? how many things do you think there are..... there is only 1 thing about damage calculation, and that's a formula, it's not some sort of confounding new subject.
But by all means think you are super smart with your knowledge of damage calculation
In the meantime you missed that - 50% offense = 50% offense
The idea is to try to get as many offense up critical hit saber throws with zader, while stacking as many dots as possible with tusken shaman and zidious. I can’t speak to how viable it is without zidious, but you can certainly give it a shot. Zidious is great with Zader on an arena team so It could help you out in more than one area if you are looking at where to place your second zeta.
Ewok elder adds a lot of survivability to the strategy so it might have a higher floor in damage if your mods aren’t spectacular. Boba is what I have gotten the highest damage with. http://imgur.com/a/PzeL9
Captain Phasma is pretty important to the squad, because he gives the guaranteed crits on the saber throws. Tusken shaman is fairly important as well because his heal tops everyone off, and his offense up adds a lot to vaders damage. Perhaps you could beat that score without phasma, but you would be banking on a hell of a lot of lucky crits to do so.
I haven’t tried the Clone squad in phase 2 yet, but this empire squad seems to be the best there is in Phase 2 as of yet.
Lastly, If you don't have great mods, you won't be able to do 3m damage. This is in no way meant to imply that anyone can do this damage if you follow the guide. You will however be able to score higher than you currently are, and it should help you in moving up the rankings for your HAAT raids. If you feel the need to **** about how good my mods are, take it somewhere else. If you want some advice or insight on how to best increase your HAAT scores... I'm here and happy to help.
Very good score.
Offense up doesn't seem necessary, its impact on Vader saber throw is equivalent to one dot... So doesn't change anything.
Appart from that mostly agree with the strategy, well done !
Huh? Offense up makes the hit much bigger, it's 50% offense.
More important than advantage probly
I would think since it is applied before damage it is multipled into it
Say 10 dots
Damage * 1.5 * 6
Big difference than
Damage * 6.5
That is incorrect I beleive
All offense up buff stack so yeah offense up has same effect than an extra dot, just do the math
So yeah it's 6.5 not 9
@Cardiff0
There is one multiplier for Crit damage if it Crits and one multiplier for all offense boosts
Bruh it's offense up, +50% offense, very simple
By that simple phrase, it's clear you don't understand a thing about damage calculation . So I won't debate with you here... Just have a look at the formula I showed above that clearly show it's a 1.8 factor not a 1.5 due to Vader lead...
Bruh please. Yes, you posted that formula after I told you it was a big error. It's you that didn't understand damage calculation, which is why you were wrong that offense up is not the same as a dot.. Don't be so angsty.
To put it in your terms, you thought the offense multiplier was 1.3, I thought it was 1.8. In my terms, obviously 50% offense gives an extra 50% base offense..
Also I don't understand 'a thing' about damage calculation? how many things do you think there are..... there is only 1 thing about damage calculation, and that's a formula, it's not some sort of confounding new subject.
But by all means think you are super smart with your knowledge of damage calculation
In the meantime you missed that - 50% offense = 50% offense
It's not complicated
First it's not 50% of base offense but moded offense
Second u claim u had the formula yet u didn't even commented on how offense up stacked or not with the damage boost from dots...
You only come with your grand speech when the damage calculation is proven (even then u actually did a mistake lol)
I think it is important to note that vaders debuffs offer +50% DAMAGE, whereas offense up gives +OFFENSE.
Offense is used to calculate damage of an ability, then the debuffs add +50% DAMAGE after offense is calculated.
Entirely true, it's what the
2800 * 1.8 * 3.26 * 15 *2.16 = 532k.
Shows
In the Mod guide for Vader's diamond shaped Model it says primary is Speed. Was that a typo since I thought diamond shape only has defense as primary? Least it's been thay way in the 800+ I've farmed. Lol
-akaBen
Whoops yea ur not crazy the primary is still defense for diamond, My mistake. I meant secondary
I think it is important to note that vaders debuffs offer +50% DAMAGE, whereas offense up gives +OFFENSE.
Offense is used to calculate damage of an ability, then the debuffs add +50% DAMAGE after offense is calculated.
Entirely true, it's what the
2800 * 1.8 * 3.26 * 15 *2.16 = 532k.
There's definitely a large multiplicitive effect of offense up. So you are on the right track. I tried taking some sample data but couldn't nail down exactly how it was being calculated. I'll see if I can find it and post it here
@LordStyling I would go zader Phasma EE Boba Sidious/Ackbar
Ackbar might be good because if you time something wrong, you can use the extra turn meter to speed one of your characters off cooldown. Cooldowns in general are a big roadblock
@LordStyling I would go zader Phasma EE Boba Sidious/Ackbar
Ackbar might be good because if you time something wrong, you can use the extra turn meter to speed one of your characters off cooldown. Cooldowns in general are a big roadblock
@DenzoKahn would you mind sharing your gear levels on your toons for the 2 squads? Or at least share your SWGOH.gg profile, please? Thanks in advance! I'm going to try this tonight!
The idea is to try to get as many offense up critical hit saber throws with zader, while stacking as many dots as possible with tusken shaman and zidious. I can’t speak to how viable it is without zidious, but you can certainly give it a shot. Zidious is great with Zader on an arena team so It could help you out in more than one area if you are looking at where to place your second zeta.
Ewok elder adds a lot of survivability to the strategy so it might have a higher floor in damage if your mods aren’t spectacular. Boba is what I have gotten the highest damage with. http://imgur.com/a/PzeL9
Captain Phasma is pretty important to the squad, because he gives the guaranteed crits on the saber throws. Tusken shaman is fairly important as well because his heal tops everyone off, and his offense up adds a lot to vaders damage. Perhaps you could beat that score without phasma, but you would be banking on a hell of a lot of lucky crits to do so.
I haven’t tried the Clone squad in phase 2 yet, but this empire squad seems to be the best there is in Phase 2 as of yet.
Lastly, If you don't have great mods, you won't be able to do 3m damage. This is in no way meant to imply that anyone can do this damage if you follow the guide. You will however be able to score higher than you currently are, and it should help you in moving up the rankings for your HAAT raids. If you feel the need to **** about how good my mods are, take it somewhere else. If you want some advice or insight on how to best increase your HAAT scores... I'm here and happy to help.
Very good score.
Offense up doesn't seem necessary, its impact on Vader saber throw is equivalent to one dot... So doesn't change anything.
Appart from that mostly agree with the strategy, well done !
Huh? Offense up makes the hit much bigger, it's 50% offense.
More important than advantage probly
I would think since it is applied before damage it is multipled into it
Say 10 dots
Damage * 1.5 * 6
Big difference than
Damage * 6.5
That is incorrect I beleive
All offense up buff stack so yeah offense up has same effect than an extra dot, just do the math
So yeah it's 6.5 not 9
@Cardiff0
There is one multiplier for Crit damage if it Crits and one multiplier for all offense boosts
Bruh it's offense up, +50% offense, very simple
By that simple phrase, it's clear you don't understand a thing about damage calculation . So I won't debate with you here... Just have a look at the formula I showed above that clearly show it's a 1.8 factor not a 1.5 due to Vader lead...
Bruh please. Yes, you posted that formula after I told you it was a big error. It's you that didn't understand damage calculation, which is why you were wrong that offense up is not the same as a dot.. Don't be so angsty.
To put it in your terms, you thought the offense multiplier was 1.3, I thought it was 1.8. In my terms, obviously 50% offense gives an extra 50% base offense..
Also I don't understand 'a thing' about damage calculation? how many things do you think there are..... there is only 1 thing about damage calculation, and that's a formula, it's not some sort of confounding new subject.
But by all means think you are super smart with your knowledge of damage calculation
In the meantime you missed that - 50% offense = 50% offense
It's not complicated
First it's not 50% of base offense but moded offense
Second u claim u had the formula yet u didn't even commented on how offense up stacked or not with the damage boost from dots...
You only come with your grand speech when the damage calculation is proven (even then u actually did a mistake lol)
You crazy bruh. I'm the one who first pointed out your really basic error that made you stunningly wrong... about something which is very obvious and basic. Particularly if you claim to know a lot. Maybe read thread again? I know why O-up doesn't stack with damage increase.... cos it's O-up....and damage increase increases damage.... You were the one confused bro, sorry....I told you! it's 50% offense.. offense is offense.... simple, ya dont need the formula for that.
So no I definitely wasn't waiting for any calculation, (that only proves your basic mistake) to tell you what I already told you was very wrong...twice!
Not a logical word in your reply! Cant even respond to it it's too bad... but please, don't 'debate me here' oh great maraxus, I live afraid that I will suffer at your mighty hands!
(Nothing to even debate as we both agree you were wrong)
The idea is to try to get as many offense up critical hit saber throws with zader, while stacking as many dots as possible with tusken shaman and zidious. I can’t speak to how viable it is without zidious, but you can certainly give it a shot. Zidious is great with Zader on an arena team so It could help you out in more than one area if you are looking at where to place your second zeta.
Ewok elder adds a lot of survivability to the strategy so it might have a higher floor in damage if your mods aren’t spectacular. Boba is what I have gotten the highest damage with. http://imgur.com/a/PzeL9
Captain Phasma is pretty important to the squad, because he gives the guaranteed crits on the saber throws. Tusken shaman is fairly important as well because his heal tops everyone off, and his offense up adds a lot to vaders damage. Perhaps you could beat that score without phasma, but you would be banking on a hell of a lot of lucky crits to do so.
I haven’t tried the Clone squad in phase 2 yet, but this empire squad seems to be the best there is in Phase 2 as of yet.
Lastly, If you don't have great mods, you won't be able to do 3m damage. This is in no way meant to imply that anyone can do this damage if you follow the guide. You will however be able to score higher than you currently are, and it should help you in moving up the rankings for your HAAT raids. If you feel the need to **** about how good my mods are, take it somewhere else. If you want some advice or insight on how to best increase your HAAT scores... I'm here and happy to help.
Very good score.
Offense up doesn't seem necessary, its impact on Vader saber throw is equivalent to one dot... So doesn't change anything.
Appart from that mostly agree with the strategy, well done !
Huh? Offense up makes the hit much bigger, it's 50% offense.
More important than advantage probly
I would think since it is applied before damage it is multipled into it
Say 10 dots
Damage * 1.5 * 6
Big difference than
Damage * 6.5
That is incorrect I beleive
All offense up buff stack so yeah offense up has same effect than an extra dot, just do the math
So yeah it's 6.5 not 9
@Cardiff0
There is one multiplier for Crit damage if it Crits and one multiplier for all offense boosts
Bruh it's offense up, +50% offense, very simple
By that simple phrase, it's clear you don't understand a thing about damage calculation . So I won't debate with you here... Just have a look at the formula I showed above that clearly show it's a 1.8 factor not a 1.5 due to Vader lead...
Bruh please. Yes, you posted that formula after I told you it was a big error. It's you that didn't understand damage calculation, which is why you were wrong that offense up is not the same as a dot.. Don't be so angsty.
To put it in your terms, you thought the offense multiplier was 1.3, I thought it was 1.8. In my terms, obviously 50% offense gives an extra 50% base offense..
Also I don't understand 'a thing' about damage calculation? how many things do you think there are..... there is only 1 thing about damage calculation, and that's a formula, it's not some sort of confounding new subject.
But by all means think you are super smart with your knowledge of damage calculation
In the meantime you missed that - 50% offense = 50% offense
It's not complicated
First it's not 50% of base offense but moded offense
Second u claim u had the formula yet u didn't even commented on how offense up stacked or not with the damage boost from dots...
You only come with your grand speech when the damage calculation is proven (even then u actually did a mistake lol)
You crazy bruh. I'm the one who first pointed out your really basic error that made you stunningly wrong... about something which is very obvious and basic. Particularly if you claim to know a lot. Maybe read thread again? I know why O-up doesn't stack with damage increase.... cos it's O-up....and damage increase increases damage.... You were the one confused bro, sorry....I told you! it's 50% offense.. offense is offense.... simple, ya dont need the formula for that.
So no I definitely wasn't waiting for any calculation, (that only proves your basic mistake) to tell you what I already told you was very wrong...twice!
Not a logical word in your reply! Cant even respond to it it's too bad... but please, don't 'debate me here' oh great maraxus, I live afraid that I will suffer at your mighty hands!
(Nothing to even debate as we both agree you were wrong)
My first attempt (last night) wasn't what I'd hope, as I lost Phasma way too early (bad RNG), and ran out of time during Zerg for a retreat. Without Advantage I lost 2 Zader Culling Blade max damages and 2 Boba Execute max damages under topples, which was probably near 1M in damage lost. I also made a lot of silly strategy mistakes. I did take the tank to Enrage, however. All my toons are G11, with good mods (followed DenzoKahn's advice with some tweaks). But overall, I'm quite happy. I filmed it, so I'll put it up later.
@DenzoKahn thanks for the advice and doing this first! The heals are insane under Shaman (can't help but to think they are NWAI lol).
The idea is to try to get as many offense up critical hit saber throws with zader, while stacking as many dots as possible with tusken shaman and zidious. I can’t speak to how viable it is without zidious, but you can certainly give it a shot. Zidious is great with Zader on an arena team so It could help you out in more than one area if you are looking at where to place your second zeta.
Ewok elder adds a lot of survivability to the strategy so it might have a higher floor in damage if your mods aren’t spectacular. Boba is what I have gotten the highest damage with. http://imgur.com/a/PzeL9
Captain Phasma is pretty important to the squad, because he gives the guaranteed crits on the saber throws. Tusken shaman is fairly important as well because his heal tops everyone off, and his offense up adds a lot to vaders damage. Perhaps you could beat that score without phasma, but you would be banking on a hell of a lot of lucky crits to do so.
I haven’t tried the Clone squad in phase 2 yet, but this empire squad seems to be the best there is in Phase 2 as of yet.
Lastly, If you don't have great mods, you won't be able to do 3m damage. This is in no way meant to imply that anyone can do this damage if you follow the guide. You will however be able to score higher than you currently are, and it should help you in moving up the rankings for your HAAT raids. If you feel the need to **** about how good my mods are, take it somewhere else. If you want some advice or insight on how to best increase your HAAT scores... I'm here and happy to help.
Very good score.
Offense up doesn't seem necessary, its impact on Vader saber throw is equivalent to one dot... So doesn't change anything.
Appart from that mostly agree with the strategy, well done !
Huh? Offense up makes the hit much bigger, it's 50% offense.
More important than advantage probly
I would think since it is applied before damage it is multipled into it
Say 10 dots
Damage * 1.5 * 6
Big difference than
Damage * 6.5
That is incorrect I beleive
All offense up buff stack so yeah offense up has same effect than an extra dot, just do the math
So yeah it's 6.5 not 9
@Cardiff0
There is one multiplier for Crit damage if it Crits and one multiplier for all offense boosts
Bruh it's offense up, +50% offense, very simple
By that simple phrase, it's clear you don't understand a thing about damage calculation . So I won't debate with you here... Just have a look at the formula I showed above that clearly show it's a 1.8 factor not a 1.5 due to Vader lead...
Bruh please. Yes, you posted that formula after I told you it was a big error. It's you that didn't understand damage calculation, which is why you were wrong that offense up is not the same as a dot.. Don't be so angsty.
To put it in your terms, you thought the offense multiplier was 1.3, I thought it was 1.8. In my terms, obviously 50% offense gives an extra 50% base offense..
Also I don't understand 'a thing' about damage calculation? how many things do you think there are..... there is only 1 thing about damage calculation, and that's a formula, it's not some sort of confounding new subject.
But by all means think you are super smart with your knowledge of damage calculation
In the meantime you missed that - 50% offense = 50% offense
It's not complicated
First it's not 50% of base offense but moded offense
Second u claim u had the formula yet u didn't even commented on how offense up stacked or not with the damage boost from dots...
You only come with your grand speech when the damage calculation is proven (even then u actually did a mistake lol)
You crazy bruh. I'm the one who first pointed out your really basic error that made you stunningly wrong... about something which is very obvious and basic. Particularly if you claim to know a lot. Maybe read thread again? I know why O-up doesn't stack with damage increase.... cos it's O-up....and damage increase increases damage.... You were the one confused bro, sorry....I told you! it's 50% offense.. offense is offense.... simple, ya dont need the formula for that.
So no I definitely wasn't waiting for any calculation, (that only proves your basic mistake) to tell you what I already told you was very wrong...twice!
Not a logical word in your reply! Cant even respond to it it's too bad... but please, don't 'debate me here' oh great maraxus, I live afraid that I will suffer at your mighty hands!
(Nothing to even debate as we both agree you were wrong)
i tried with anakin in place of sidious, didnt go too well. Shaman dies too quick but if i was to use EE the turrets wouldnt get taken care of quick enough i think. I wonder if gam guard would be a good replacement to soak up the main tank's turn
@SnakesOnAPlane wasnt your shaman's health a problem? how many topples?
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Cool deal. I figured it had to go before the bonus damage. I have seen boba with offense down hit for about half the damage I would expect. Watched my chirrut shrug it of.
Bruh please. Yes, you posted that formula after I told you it was a big error. It's you that didn't understand damage calculation, which is why you were wrong that offense up is not the same as a dot.. Don't be so angsty.
To put it in your terms, you thought the offense multiplier was 1.3, I thought it was 1.8. In my terms, obviously 50% offense gives an extra 50% base offense..
Also I don't understand 'a thing' about damage calculation? how many things do you think there are..... there is only 1 thing about damage calculation, and that's a formula, it's not some sort of confounding new subject.
But by all means think you are super smart with your knowledge of damage calculation
In the meantime you missed that - 50% offense = 50% offense
It's not complicated
First it's not 50% of base offense but moded offense
Second u claim u had the formula yet u didn't even commented on how offense up stacked or not with the damage boost from dots...
You only come with your grand speech when the damage calculation is proven (even then u actually did a mistake lol)
But whatever congrats to OP performance
Entirely true, it's what the
2800 * 1.8 * 3.26 * 15 *2.16 = 532k.
Shows
Yea I know I'm cringing when I rewatch it haha.
Whoops yea ur not crazy the primary is still defense for diamond, My mistake. I meant secondary
Ts is sitting on my bench at 280/30..nice to see a great use for him.
Nope nevermind
@olddumper Yea it will, haven't tried it but im pretty positive.
@speedracer i have not, but you could try no tusken and add boba.
@LordStyling I would go zader Phasma EE Boba Sidious/Ackbar
Ackbar might be good because if you time something wrong, you can use the extra turn meter to speed one of your characters off cooldown. Cooldowns in general are a big roadblock
thx bud, i'll try that
@Maraxus
You crazy bruh. I'm the one who first pointed out your really basic error that made you stunningly wrong... about something which is very obvious and basic. Particularly if you claim to know a lot. Maybe read thread again? I know why O-up doesn't stack with damage increase.... cos it's O-up....and damage increase increases damage.... You were the one confused bro, sorry....I told you! it's 50% offense.. offense is offense.... simple, ya dont need the formula for that.
So no I definitely wasn't waiting for any calculation, (that only proves your basic mistake) to tell you what I already told you was very wrong...twice!
Not a logical word in your reply! Cant even respond to it it's too bad... but please, don't 'debate me here' oh great maraxus, I live afraid that I will suffer at your mighty hands!
(Nothing to even debate as we both agree you were wrong)
Fun read, keep it up
@DenzoKahn thanks for the advice and doing this first! The heals are insane under Shaman (can't help but to think they are NWAI lol).
well i told ya it wasnt complicated
@SnakesOnAPlane wasnt your shaman's health a problem? how many topples?