100% agree that Slave 1's RI giving taunt is outdated and actively bad. Should have been caught and removed when his ship was touched up. That or they could have given him locked protection up, but so darn many of the meta fleets will just remove that protection up while one or two shotting him after RI.
Also second the motion to change the 'target ally gains taunt' clause from Exec's healing to a much more practical 'the healthiest bounty hunter tank gains taunt' as right now I'm regretting taking it high enough to provide the taunt, as it's often better for me now to use a basic rather than heal one of my injured attackers, as doing so while also giving it taunt is a death sentence. CG had said that they don't ever want us to deliberately gimp our units to perform better, and they really missed the mark in terms of that promise with several parts of the exec's kit.
Problem of Slave1 is all buffs are dispellable - especially the critical avoidance. The kit as of now is garbage. What is the point of million buffs, if they are all dispelled in one attack and even you get critted with crit avoidance up - hilarious.
To be honest the Slave 1 should be way tankier than she is as of now - right now Slave 1 is an attacker, but not a tank at all except for the damage. Yes the Seismic charge is fantastic, but outside of this its more of a joke.
Funny thing is she basically has an anti assist train kit (50% dmg reduction *IF* breached), but if you put Slave1 rebels will wipe your Fleet without rng because the kit doesnt work its amusing.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
I recall the sense of pride from the developers when Ships 2.0 was released, especially when Slave I was highlighted as a reinforcement (the reinforcement) game changer with its taunt up.
Subsequent testing by players also helped correlate a ship reinforcement priority order (i.e., the order you create your reinforcement lineup is not necessarily the order of reinforcement on defense under the AI, unless your RNG radar is 100% on point and you've conceptualized the tiers and unseen gameplay perfectly). [This info is available on the SWGoH help wiki, edited by Andrakisjl.]
None of the tier 1 ships are likely in the Executor lineup, and a caveat would be if you have Hound's Tooth placed as a reinforcement, but Slave I is coming out first as a tier 2 reinforcement with its current prioritization (and of course with its current reinforcement abilities).
I agree with the thoughts here that if Slave I is meant to be a pseudo-tank, update it accordingly. And if its limited time as the reinforcement pinnacle is over and had been since... the first two weeks of Ships 2.0? Since Negotiator and Malevolence? then update its kit and update its AI reinforcement priority so players have more control on how it interacts with the Executor.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Stealth and retribution makes no sense.
Yes it does: AOE
So the retribution goes off once?
It would make sense to do stealth and offense up.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Stealth and retribution makes no sense.
Yes it does: AOE
So the retribution goes off once?
It would make sense to do stealth and offense up.
Okay, sure, whatever works best. Make some suggestions like you just did instead of immediate negative Nancy.
Why not use Slave I as a starter so it doesn't reinforce?
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
Why not use Slave I as a starter so it doesn't reinforce?
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
RIP Piett for squad usage.
That is assuming it counts the capital ship which abilities usually don't.
Is there any justification for CG to continue keeping the taunt on Slave I? The ship is an attacker and squishy. No taunt would also likely make a nice diff with Exec with some of the counters that have cropped up. As of right now, folks are resorting to removing him from Exec lineup to defend against what should be weak counters.
I agree 100%
Hes instantly killed if he is called in on defense or even on offense if tou do it too soon.
And being relic 8, the ai considers him the best to call in first
Why not use Slave I as a starter so it doesn't reinforce?
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
RIP Piett for squad usage.
R8 IG, dont fully upgrade mods on Piett
Why wasn't Cobb Vanth shards a reward for the Krayt Dragon raid? Why wasn't Endor Gear Luke shards a reward for the Speeder Bike raid?
Why not use Slave I as a starter so it doesn't reinforce?
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
RIP Piett for squad usage.
R8 IG, dont fully upgrade mods on Piett
So HT, IG, S1 or RC, IG, S1? Next level starting lineups.
Why not use Slave I as a starter so it doesn't reinforce?
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
RIP Piett for squad usage.
That is assuming it counts the capital ship which abilities usually don't.
You're right, for some reason I remembered the Finalizer counting itself for the speed bonus (which it also doesn't).
So it's straight up impossible to get S1 faster than a 7* Executor.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Stealth and retribution makes no sense.
Yes it does: AOE
So the retribution goes off once?
It would make sense to do stealth and offense up.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Stealth and retribution makes no sense.
Yes it does: AOE
So the retribution goes off once?
It would make sense to do stealth and offense up.
Dooku is the same, so does Xanadu Blood
Dooku actually gets something from countering (Prot recovery and a stun). What does it do for Slave One?
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Stealth and retribution makes no sense.
Yes it does: AOE
So the retribution goes off once?
It would make sense to do stealth and offense up.
Dooku is the same, so does Xanadu Blood
Dooku actually gets something from countering (Prot recovery and a stun). What does it do for Slave One?
Why not use Slave I as a starter so it doesn't reinforce?
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
RIP Piett for squad usage.
R8 IG, dont fully upgrade mods on Piett
So HT, IG, S1 or RC, IG, S1? Next level starting lineups.
IG, HT, and RC. 1st reinforcement is S1, 2nd is XB.
Why wasn't Cobb Vanth shards a reward for the Krayt Dragon raid? Why wasn't Endor Gear Luke shards a reward for the Speeder Bike raid?
Why not use Slave I as a starter so it doesn't reinforce?
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
RIP Piett for squad usage.
R8 IG, dont fully upgrade mods on Piett
So HT, IG, S1 or RC, IG, S1? Next level starting lineups.
IG, HT, and RC. 1st reinforcement is S1, 2nd is XB.
Agreed. For a ship that is that squishy (and also has the attacker tag, not tank) to have taunt as reinforcement ability doesn’t make a lot of sense. They could just have replaced the taunt with going into stealth or something, or even just removed it. It is supposed to be the hunter, not the prey.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Stealth and retribution makes no sense.
Yes it does: AOE
So the retribution goes off once?
It would make sense to do stealth and offense up.
Dooku is the same, so does Xanadu Blood
Dooku actually gets something from countering (Prot recovery and a stun). What does it do for Slave One?
Regardless, there are toons with retribution + stealth
I reached out to the devs and they stated rather than removing Taunt, they decided to keep it and try to make Slave I more useful/tankier as a reinforcement by way of additional Protection Up and the counter/target lock interactions. Also, there will be some minor AI fixes introduced soon that we will provide more details on as it comes closer.
I reached out to the devs and they stated rather than removing Taunt, they decided to keep it and try to make Slave I more useful/tankier as a reinforcement by way of additional Protection Up and the counter/target lock interactions. Also, there will be some minor AI fixes introduced soon that we will provide more details on as it comes closer.
I reached out to the devs and they stated rather than removing Taunt, they decided to keep it and try to make Slave I more useful/tankier as a reinforcement by way of additional Protection Up and the counter/target lock interactions. Also, there will be some minor AI fixes introduced soon that we will provide more details on as it comes closer.
What’s this Slave 1 you speak of? I only know Boba Fett’s Starship
I reached out to the devs and they stated rather than removing Taunt, they decided to keep it and try to make Slave I more useful/tankier as a reinforcement by way of additional Protection Up and the counter/target lock interactions. Also, there will be some minor AI fixes introduced soon that we will provide more details on as it comes closer.
Changes to fix the executor?
Yes
EDIT: Misunderstood Doja's AI post being about Slave 1
Replies
Also second the motion to change the 'target ally gains taunt' clause from Exec's healing to a much more practical 'the healthiest bounty hunter tank gains taunt' as right now I'm regretting taking it high enough to provide the taunt, as it's often better for me now to use a basic rather than heal one of my injured attackers, as doing so while also giving it taunt is a death sentence. CG had said that they don't ever want us to deliberately gimp our units to perform better, and they really missed the mark in terms of that promise with several parts of the exec's kit.
To be honest the Slave 1 should be way tankier than she is as of now - right now Slave 1 is an attacker, but not a tank at all except for the damage. Yes the Seismic charge is fantastic, but outside of this its more of a joke.
Funny thing is she basically has an anti assist train kit (50% dmg reduction *IF* breached), but if you put Slave1 rebels will wipe your Fleet without rng because the kit doesnt work its amusing.
Recall he often hid out of plain site, or at least tried to. Stealth would have been perfect.
Subsequent testing by players also helped correlate a ship reinforcement priority order (i.e., the order you create your reinforcement lineup is not necessarily the order of reinforcement on defense under the AI, unless your RNG radar is 100% on point and you've conceptualized the tiers and unseen gameplay perfectly). [This info is available on the SWGoH help wiki, edited by Andrakisjl.]
None of the tier 1 ships are likely in the Executor lineup, and a caveat would be if you have Hound's Tooth placed as a reinforcement, but Slave I is coming out first as a tier 2 reinforcement with its current prioritization (and of course with its current reinforcement abilities).
I agree with the thoughts here that if Slave I is meant to be a pseudo-tank, update it accordingly. And if its limited time as the reinforcement pinnacle is over and had been since... the first two weeks of Ships 2.0? Since Negotiator and Malevolence? then update its kit and update its AI reinforcement priority so players have more control on how it interacts with the Executor.
Stealth and retribution makes no sense.
Yes it does: AOE
So the retribution goes off once?
It would make sense to do stealth and offense up.
Okay, sure, whatever works best. Make some suggestions like you just did instead of immediate negative Nancy.
Yeah, stripping Piett off of all his mods so the Executor is downgraded to 187 speed (?) and S1 goes before it with it's 188 speed (168 + 20 from unique).
RIP Piett for squad usage.
That is assuming it counts the capital ship which abilities usually don't.
I agree 100%
Hes instantly killed if he is called in on defense or even on offense if tou do it too soon.
And being relic 8, the ai considers him the best to call in first
Because ig11 or XB are better for getting those breaches out and maximizing damage (double taps ftw).
R8 IG, dont fully upgrade mods on Piett
So HT, IG, S1 or RC, IG, S1? Next level starting lineups.
You're right, for some reason I remembered the Finalizer counting itself for the speed bonus (which it also doesn't).
So it's straight up impossible to get S1 faster than a 7* Executor.
Dooku is the same, so does Xanadu Blood
Dooku actually gets something from countering (Prot recovery and a stun). What does it do for Slave One?
TL
IG, HT, and RC. 1st reinforcement is S1, 2nd is XB.
Ok cool, might wanna read the initial post.
Regardless, there are toons with retribution + stealth
Changes to fix the executor?
What’s this Slave 1 you speak of? I only know Boba Fett’s Starship
Yes
EDIT: Misunderstood Doja's AI post being about Slave 1