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Can the Empire faction get some love?

It’s a massive part of the core franchise and it’s probably one of the worst factions in the game.

I’d love to see classic empire getting a rework to be competitive. Outside of troopers being a good offensive PvP team Empire has nothing.

Vader, tarkin etc are really showing their age and it makes me sad.

Make the Empire great again.

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  • Lysandrax
    923 posts Member
    The empire mixed with sith had a meta phase not long ago and with modding palp is still an excellent team to run that can train a lot of others into the ground.
    Sure they could always do with a touch up but they're plenty competitive.
  • Ggdjqjchsabjdj
    124 posts Member
    edited May 20
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    The empire mixed with sith had a meta phase not long ago and with modding palp is still an excellent team to run that can train a lot of others into the ground.
    Sure they could always do with a touch up but they're plenty competitive.

    Not long ago? Pretty sure that was over 2 years ago. Either way it was mostly due to the Sith tag, the empire didn't really do much.
    May the force be with you.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    The empire mixed with sith had a meta phase not long ago and with modding palp is still an excellent team to run that can train a lot of others into the ground.
    Sure they could always do with a touch up but they're plenty competitive.

    Palp is powerful because of his sith tag. His empire tag is incidental.
  • Lysandrax
    923 posts Member
    His lead applies to both so not incidental.
    And a properly modded palp team can still punch a long way up.
    A much better team than imp troopers that have been brought up, someone has just been watching a whale play too much
  • Mirkraag
    237 posts Member
    It always funny to read that the empire is a good faction because of palpatine and vador. Defnitively not related to the sith tag.
    L O L
  • Monel
    2172 posts Member
    Not my empire, I didnt vote for it!
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    The empire mixed with sith had a meta phase not long ago and with modding palp is still an excellent team to run that can train a lot of others into the ground.
    Sure they could always do with a touch up but they're plenty competitive.

    Plenty competitive?
    Really?
  • Mirkraag wrote: »
    It always funny to read that the empire is a good faction because of palpatine and vador. Defnitively not related to the sith tag.
    L O L

    Haha yeah.
    If you take away the 2 best toons from a faction the faction becomes wayyy worse, right?!?!?!
    Come on CG, why cant things i liked from movies remain as a dominante team indefinitely?
    Are you even trying?!
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    Mirkraag wrote: »
    It always funny to read that the empire is a good faction because of palpatine and vador. Defnitively not related to the sith tag.
    L O L

    Haha yeah.
    If you take away the 2 best toons from a faction the faction becomes wayyy worse, right?!?!?!
    Come on CG, why cant things i liked from movies remain as a dominante team indefinitely?
    Are you even trying?!
    Thrawn, not Vader. And Vader is one of, if not, the most popular characters (and powerful) in all of Star Wars, for him to be so underwhelming is just sad.

    May the force be with you.
  • Nihion
    2648 posts Member
    Admiral Piett! Perfect for ESB anniversary!
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    Mirkraag wrote: »
    It always funny to read that the empire is a good faction because of palpatine and vador. Defnitively not related to the sith tag.
    L O L

    Haha yeah.
    If you take away the 2 best toons from a faction the faction becomes wayyy worse, right?!?!?!
    Come on CG, why cant things i liked from movies remain as a dominante team indefinitely?
    Are you even trying?!
    Thrawn, not Vader. And Vader is one of, if not, the most popular characters (and powerful) in all of Star Wars, for him to be so underwhelming is just sad.

    Vader is fine, as soon as relics came out people were making videos of him cutting malaks in half.
    They have more important things they should be doing.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    Mirkraag wrote: »
    It always funny to read that the empire is a good faction because of palpatine and vador. Defnitively not related to the sith tag.
    L O L

    Haha yeah.
    If you take away the 2 best toons from a faction the faction becomes wayyy worse, right?!?!?!
    Come on CG, why cant things i liked from movies remain as a dominante team indefinitely?
    Are you even trying?!
    Thrawn, not Vader. And Vader is one of, if not, the most popular characters (and powerful) in all of Star Wars, for him to be so underwhelming is just sad.

    Vader is fine, as soon as relics came out people were making videos of him cutting malaks in half.
    They have more important things they should be doing.

    Wow, but is that because of the team around him, or just him? Take a character like CLS, you don’t need him relic’d and he is still useful. If all characters need to be relic’d to be good, what’s the point?
    May the force be with you.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    Mirkraag wrote: »
    It always funny to read that the empire is a good faction because of palpatine and vador. Defnitively not related to the sith tag.
    L O L

    Haha yeah.
    If you take away the 2 best toons from a faction the faction becomes wayyy worse, right?!?!?!
    Come on CG, why cant things i liked from movies remain as a dominante team indefinitely?
    Are you even trying?!
    Thrawn, not Vader. And Vader is one of, if not, the most popular characters (and powerful) in all of Star Wars, for him to be so underwhelming is just sad.

    Vader is fine, as soon as relics came out people were making videos of him cutting malaks in half.
    They have more important things they should be doing.

    Wow, but is that because of the team around him, or just him? Take a character like CLS, you don’t need him relic’d and he is still useful. If all characters need to be relic’d to be good, what’s the point?

    Team around, for the most part.

    From what I remember of Vader slicing through Sith Empire, it was a highly niche set up. That I've never seen outside of theory crafting videos. Sure, if you can get enough debuff then Culling Blade hits very hard. That was also true before relics came out though.
    Vader is underwhelming. Was pre-relics. Still is.
  • Nihion
    2648 posts Member
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    Mirkraag wrote: »
    It always funny to read that the empire is a good faction because of palpatine and vador. Defnitively not related to the sith tag.
    L O L

    Haha yeah.
    If you take away the 2 best toons from a faction the faction becomes wayyy worse, right?!?!?!
    Come on CG, why cant things i liked from movies remain as a dominante team indefinitely?
    Are you even trying?!
    Thrawn, not Vader. And Vader is one of, if not, the most popular characters (and powerful) in all of Star Wars, for him to be so underwhelming is just sad.

    Vader is fine, as soon as relics came out people were making videos of him cutting malaks in half.
    They have more important things they should be doing.

    Wow, but is that because of the team around him, or just him? Take a character like CLS, you don’t need him relic’d and he is still useful. If all characters need to be relic’d to be good, what’s the point?

    The point is that the game isn’t canon. It would be cool to have a great Vader, but the whales would pay for anything as long it’s meta breaking. Heck, they could’ve called GL Rey Shrek, and then called the basic ability “Swamp Rat Stew,” and as long as it was still amazing, people would buy it.
  • CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.

    But you can't have fun with a relic Vader without (from what I can see) using other characters that are better used elsewhere.

    That's OP's point I think. Iconic character that is pretty lackadaisical outside of a niche composition.

    He absolutely should be near the top of the re-work list.

  • AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.

    But you can't have fun with a relic Vader without (from what I can see) using other characters that are better used elsewhere.

    That's OP's point I think. Iconic character that is pretty lackadaisical outside of a niche composition.

    He absolutely should be near the top of the re-work list.

    Sure, right behind every GR jedi, the other clones, and the toons that were required to be geared up for the GL event that are terrible.
    So maybe 12th or 13th on a rework list.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.

    But you can't have fun with a relic Vader without (from what I can see) using other characters that are better used elsewhere.

    That's OP's point I think. Iconic character that is pretty lackadaisical outside of a niche composition.

    He absolutely should be near the top of the re-work list.

    Sure, right behind every GR jedi, the other clones, and the toons that were required to be geared up for the GL event that are terrible.
    So maybe 12th or 13th on a rework list.

    Opinion of course. But none of those characters made (or make me) interested in Star Wars.
    Vader did. He's the face of the Original Trilogy and should be far more relevant than he is.
    A) in arena? Nope
    B. fleet arena? Nope
    C) TW? Nope. Well maybe a scrappy backline squad. But not exactly a go-to character.
    D) TB? Nope.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.

    But you can't have fun with a relic Vader without (from what I can see) using other characters that are better used elsewhere.

    That's OP's point I think. Iconic character that is pretty lackadaisical outside of a niche composition.

    He absolutely should be near the top of the re-work list.

    Sure, right behind every GR jedi, the other clones, and the toons that were required to be geared up for the GL event that are terrible.
    So maybe 12th or 13th on a rework list.

    Disagree. None of those characters made (or make) me interested in Star Wars. Vader is the face of the OT and should be more relevant.
    1. Squad arena? Ha ha ha ha
    2. Fleet arena. Not really, it's GR and Seps
    3. TW. Nope
    4. TB. Nope
    5. GAC. Maybe, but hardly a go-to character.
  • Nihion
    2648 posts Member
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.

    But you can't have fun with a relic Vader without (from what I can see) using other characters that are better used elsewhere.

    That's OP's point I think. Iconic character that is pretty lackadaisical outside of a niche composition.

    He absolutely should be near the top of the re-work list.

    Sure, right behind every GR jedi, the other clones, and the toons that were required to be geared up for the GL event that are terrible.
    So maybe 12th or 13th on a rework list.

    Disagree. None of those characters made (or make) me interested in Star Wars. Vader is the face of the OT and should be more relevant.
    1. Squad arena? Ha ha ha ha
    2. Fleet arena. Not really, it's GR and Seps
    3. TW. Nope
    4. TB. Nope
    5. GAC. Maybe, but hardly a go-to character.

    Just because they don’t interest you doesn’t mean they don’t interest others. Also, Vader was reworked in 2018. Most of the other characters that have been around since launch have never been touched up on.
  • Phoenixeon
    1180 posts Member
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    For the empire
  • LordDirt
    1301 posts Member
    :o
  • Jenoke76
    11 posts Member
    In games the good characters are the unique heroes/villians with names.
    The non-unique characters are fillers only with much less potencial.

    Empire faction has 18 characters and only 8 of them are unique villians.
    Rebels has 35 characters from which only 3 are non-unique!
    GR has 29 characters from which only 5 are non-unique!

    We need more unique Empire characters
  • Nihion
    2648 posts Member
    Jenoke76 wrote: »
    In games the good characters are the unique heroes/villians with names.
    The non-unique characters are fillers only with much less potencial.

    Empire faction has 18 characters and only 8 of them are unique villians.
    Rebels has 35 characters from which only 3 are non-unique!
    GR has 29 characters from which only 5 are non-unique!

    We need more unique Empire characters

    That’s fair, but then tell me why Snowtrooper has more use than Bodhi Rook.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.
    Ok then, compare him to someone like Sion.
    May the force be with you.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.

    But you can't have fun with a relic Vader without (from what I can see) using other characters that are better used elsewhere.

    That's OP's point I think. Iconic character that is pretty lackadaisical outside of a niche composition.

    He absolutely should be near the top of the re-work list.

    Sure, right behind every GR jedi, the other clones, and the toons that were required to be geared up for the GL event that are terrible.
    So maybe 12th or 13th on a rework list.

    Disagree. None of those characters made (or make) me interested in Star Wars. Vader is the face of the OT and should be more relevant.
    1. Squad arena? Ha ha ha ha
    2. Fleet arena. Not really, it's GR and Seps
    3. TW. Nope
    4. TB. Nope
    5. GAC. Maybe, but hardly a go-to character.

    Just because they don’t interest you doesn’t mean they don’t interest others. Also, Vader was reworked in 2018. Most of the other characters that have been around since launch have never been touched up on.
    What he’s trying to say is that Vader is one of the most liked and well-known characters in all of Star Wars, and for him to be as shambolic as he is in this game is just weird. Any other Star Wars game and I’m pretty sure Vader is one of the best characters in the game.
    May the force be with you.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.

    But you can't have fun with a relic Vader without (from what I can see) using other characters that are better used elsewhere.

    That's OP's point I think. Iconic character that is pretty lackadaisical outside of a niche composition.

    He absolutely should be near the top of the re-work list.

    Sure, right behind every GR jedi, the other clones, and the toons that were required to be geared up for the GL event that are terrible.
    So maybe 12th or 13th on a rework list.

    Disagree. None of those characters made (or make) me interested in Star Wars. Vader is the face of the OT and should be more relevant.
    1. Squad arena? Ha ha ha ha
    2. Fleet arena. Not really, it's GR and Seps
    3. TW. Nope
    4. TB. Nope
    5. GAC. Maybe, but hardly a go-to character.

    Just because they don’t interest you doesn’t mean they don’t interest others. Also, Vader was reworked in 2018. Most of the other characters that have been around since launch have never been touched up on.

    I didn't say that those characters weren't of interest to other people. I wrote they weren't to me and in any case they are irrelevant to a topic about improving the Empire faction.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.
    Ok then, compare him to someone like Sion.

    You're supposed to be drawing the comparison?
    I think he's fine where he is, i have no reasons to make comparisons.

    He cant just always be a top toon, the game doesn't work that way. He had his days in the sunshine a while ago, he still has good use now.
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.
    Ok then, compare him to someone like Sion.

    You're supposed to be drawing the comparison?
    I think he's fine where he is, i have no reasons to make comparisons.

    He cant just always be a top toon, the game doesn't work that way. He had his days in the sunshine a while ago, he still has good use now.

    Genuine question, what do you use Vader for?
  • Lysandrax wrote: »
    Lysandrax wrote: »
    CLS is a hero's journey toon.
    False comparison.

    Relic your vader and have some fun with him, on a list of characters in need of reworks he shouldn't even be near the top.
    Ok then, compare him to someone like Sion.

    You're supposed to be drawing the comparison?
    I think he's fine where he is, i have no reasons to make comparisons.

    He cant just always be a top toon, the game doesn't work that way. He had his days in the sunshine a while ago, he still has good use now.
    Yes, but he should be. To make some irrelevant characters such as Sion better than the Lord himself is just appalling. If you’re not going to allow him to be good, just make a new one. We have 5 Hans, 4 Chewies, why can’t we have another Vader. It’s the anniversary of the ESB and nothing about Vader, one of the main characters in the movie, has even been remotely mentioned. It’s quite disheartening to know that one of my favourite (and lots of other peoples’) character is this dreadful in this game. Don’t you think so? He is definitely not fine where he is. He can barely hold his own against some pretty rubbish teams, such as if you look at my discussion I posted yesterday.
    May the force be with you.
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