QuiGon Omi can't save team from Mando?
February 24, 2022 5:59PM
edited February 2022
I learned in my last GAC match, much to my chagrin, that the QuiGon Omicron does not prevent The Mandalorian from destroying Jedi before QuiGon dies. I found that frustrating, since the game text seems to suggest this should not work (at the very least, it's ambiguous):
Qui-Gon says Jedi "can't be defeated while Qui-Gon Jinn is active"
Mando says "this ability instantly defeats target enemy, which can't be evaded"
I suppose that CG's intent is that the "can't be evaded" clause is what kicks in here, but to me the QuiGon text doesn't read as evasion. At the end of the day, I know how it works now but I thought I would post A) to share what I learned and B ) just to see if this is working as intended.
Thanks
Qui-Gon says Jedi "can't be defeated while Qui-Gon Jinn is active"
Mando says "this ability instantly defeats target enemy, which can't be evaded"
I suppose that CG's intent is that the "can't be evaded" clause is what kicks in here, but to me the QuiGon text doesn't read as evasion. At the end of the day, I know how it works now but I thought I would post A) to share what I learned and B ) just to see if this is working as intended.
Thanks
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All insta-kill (aka destroy) abilities can bypass things like QGJ’s omicron or JKR’s Savior ability. They can also kill though and any damage immunities you might have, like droideka’s bubble or Beskar Mando’s special.
The “can’t be evaded” portion means that the attack can’t be dodged, so you can’t hide behind foresight to negate the attack.
Disintegrate defeats an enemy unit, and QGJ's omicron prevents his allies from being defeated
If Mando is able to disintegrate with the omicron active, and no Galactic Legend on either team, then its a bug
Yes, so does Darth Nihilus. The QGJ omi has been bugged that way since release.
Yes that is exactly what I experienced. Mando Disintegrated JKA while QGJ was still standing (and no GLs present). lost my match for me. I will report it.
Wait thats a bug?
The "Destroy effect", which we alredy knew bypasses the "can't be defeated" effects
There's nothing in the game that makes you invulnerable against Destroy effects right now (aside from GL's, which clearly state that they instead take massive damage)
So Nihilus has been bugged since launch?
Nah dude, Nihilus and Mando have destroy effects, they bypass the "Can't be defeated" statment, has always been that way
It has always been like this. You can annihilate GAS when he is with 501st, anyone under Rey when she protects. It is because it doesn't do damage, so it doesn't have to do the check. The only check that it would do, "is the target immune to destroy effects Y/N"
(Yes I know it does deal damage when the target is immune to destroy effects)
Yeah than night sister is the only exception since it says it can't be perventted
Why did you bring up GAS?
GAS doesn't have a "cannot be defeated" ability in his kit, so GAS being annihilated is no different than using annihilate on Tusken Raider
Damage Immunity protects you from damage, not from being defeated (which bypasses giving damage)
Yeah, but the difference is, the GAS and Rey skills don't state that they can't be defeated. So if GAS or Rey's team mates get annihilated it's WAI. If the ability literally says "can't be defeated", then nothing should be able to defeat them, no matter what. It has to be a bug, since in the Sith raid the ability seems to work. In the Sith raid you can use the raid skill to prevent a unit of yours from dying for 1 turn. Not even Nihilus can bypass that with his annihilate. It's the exact same thing with QGJ. You should not be able to defeat characters that can't be defeated, it doesn't make sense. Targets that are immune to stun aren't affected by irresistble stun as well after all. If they are defeated regardless, then it needs to be fixed 100%.
His lead. Can't drop below 100% health while there is a 501st ally. Different form of saying can't be defeated.
Misrememebered Rey's Ult. Only she has the can't be defeated clause.
On a semi-related note, I do wish CG would abandon writing kits in paragraphs and opt for more concise bulleted lists. It would have the added benefit of making it clear which clauses apply to which effects by use of bullet leveling. But I digress...
Unless it specifically says "it cannot be defeated", it doesn't mean the same thing
So QGJ’s kit is bugged if mando or DN can defeat anyone with no GL present and with QGJ still standing. Glad they didn’t refund the omicrons lol
Tell me what is the different then?
If you can't kill GAS while there is another 501st ally present. Except with a destroy effect.
Not being able to kill a jedi ally while QGJ is alive unless you use a destroy effect.
Cause they sure sound like the same thing just different words..
You just answered your own question. The words are different.
GAS, "Can't drop below 100% Health"
JKR, "reduced to 1% health"
Neither of these preclude destroy effects because destroy effects have nothing to do with health.
QGJ, "cannot be defeated"
QGJ specifically says you can't kill a jedi with a "destroy" effect
Where, "an ability that instantly defeats you" is a destroy effect
Then, QGJ specifically says allies can't be destroyed
GAS doesn't prevent destroy effects
Yes the words are different but they still mean the same thing.
"Cannot be defeated" means can't reduce health below 1%. Moving the threshold doesn't really change the outcome. They don't die until x is satisfied.
Either way. This has always how destroy effects have worked. Nothing stops them unless they're specifically mentioned.
How about we flag a dev and we can get official answer. It has always been known that destroy abilities trump "cannot be defeated." If it has been a bug since Nilly first came out, then fine I'll concede the point.
[Edit] and CAT's text as well.
In what other kit does "cannot be defeated" appear? Honest question.
Again, clearly, whoever wrote the text was just not being literal enough and should have used words that accurately reflect the function.
In the example you gave. JKR