So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.
You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.
I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
Yes. In the real world I’d assume you’re correct. I won’t pretend I know squat about military conflict. But this isn’t the real world. In this universe military engagements include fighting alongside ~3’ tall bears. In this universe a blaster shot can be stopped in mid-flight. I think trying to apply real world logic makes everything go to crap.
Yes. In the real world I’d assume you’re correct. I won’t pretend I know squat about military conflict. But this isn’t the real world. In this universe military engagements include fighting alongside ~3’ tall bears. In this universe a blaster shot can be stopped in mid-flight. I think trying to apply real world logic makes everything go to crap.
So where do you draw the line? No one dies from lightsaber wounds? Blasters are nerf darts? Clones were bread as super soldiers for no reason because according to you it doesn't matter? We have decades of lore that have framed the rules and logic of star Wars, and especially in the martial aspects, it's been quite clear that it's the same. Whether the old Republic Commando novels or the new clone wars, we have a very clear picture of what war is in star Wars. And it looks almost identical to war on earth, just on a grander scale.
And a 3 foot tall bear would have little to no trouble ripping a human limb from limb.
Yes. In the real world I’d assume you’re correct. I won’t pretend I know squat about military conflict. But this isn’t the real world. In this universe military engagements include fighting alongside ~3’ tall bears. In this universe a blaster shot can be stopped in mid-flight. I think trying to apply real world logic makes everything go to crap.
So where do you draw the line? No one dies from lightsaber wounds? Blasters are nerf darts?
I didn’t know this was a thread about the show Ahsoka.
Honestly? I just don’t care enough about this world to be so passionate about it. I grew up on Star Wars, I started playing this game when it came out, but I just don’t have the bandwidth to try and decide when and where certain logics begin and end (except midichlorians- I guess I care enough to hate them). It’s just silly fun entertainment and a game I play while I poop. I appreciate this back and forth, though, friend!
Honestly? I just don’t care enough about this world to be so passionate about it. I grew up on Star Wars, I started playing this game when it came out, but I just don’t have the bandwidth to try and decide when and where certain logics begin and end (except midichlorians- I guess I care enough to hate them). It’s just silly fun entertainment and a game I play while I poop. I appreciate this back and forth, though, friend!
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we know this. many just don’t like the idea of them creating a character for a certain role, and that role cannot be fitted by this character. you tell me he was behind the customer service desk on home one and this is all fine.
So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.
You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.
I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
It's almost like the rebellion isn't some state sanctioned military with nearly limitless resources where it can turn away people for any reason, but is instead a fledgling operation, desperate for people willing to help and welcome to everyone. And, when given a chance, a person with a congenital difference was able to participate and offer meaningful contributions to the cause.
So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.
You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.
I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
I respect your military service first and foremost. That said, I will also disagree that you can apply military norms in the real world to the rebel alliance. Han Solo is a general after less than four years in the alliance, so is lando in less than a year. So ranks can’t be said to follow a normal military order compared to the real world.
Now, I actually assume by “earn his rank” you were discussing his capability on the battlefield and not duration in the military organization. All we’ve been told is he has a limb difference and had it described as a disability. Cg hasn’t quantified the severity. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion it’s a disqualifying disability. It may very well be in a real world military or even a real world rebel alliance in desperate need of people. The point is you’re assuming it’s disqualifying. I’m assuming he improvised, adapted, and overcame any limits he had and did it to a level satisfactory to the people he fought with and for. Both are reasonable assumptions as this is, after all, a fictional character in a fictional universe.
Slightly on/off topic but from another video game Mass Effect, your pilot for all 3 games can't use his legs at all. He gives alot of info and backstory on his disease but it still doesn't stop him from being one of the best pilots in the game.
Having disabilities isn't a problem especially when modern or future tech can help solve the problem. It also depends on the universe that it is set in. Were i see it, the SW universe has plenty of I option where people like Drogon can get by fine. I can see how Drogon would be part of the Rebellion and be Frontline. One missing finger isn't too much of a hinder and Rebels aren't too picky on their roster choice. Considering probally alot of recruits still went empire, the Rebellion couldn't afford to turn away people. This is true even in real modern conflicts were people are rebelling. Everyone who wants to rebel will, not just the inshape fighting force.
Just to nitpick, it's not just that he's missing a finger: his whole right arm is shorter compared to the left, it appears to be some form of radial longitudinal deficiency.
I'm not saying that disqualifies him from participating in a desperately under-resourced and under-staffed Rebellion taking place in a fictitious universe.
Yes. In the real world I’d assume you’re correct. I won’t pretend I know squat about military conflict. But this isn’t the real world. In this universe military engagements include fighting alongside ~3’ tall bears. In this universe a blaster shot can be stopped in mid-flight. I think trying to apply real world logic makes everything go to crap.
Clones were bread as super soldiers for no reason because according to you it doesn't matter?
So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.
You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.
I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
You mean vader should sit back in the office and read those papers, not fighting rebels and jedi in the frontline.
Stop taking realworld experiences into fiction universe.
If taking about realworld experiences, well Darth vader is a cyborg, those bionic parts breaks, not functioning all the day, especially he's fighting in the frontline. the empire will have a large engineering team with spare parts and doctors around him all the time to keep him alive. So that make sense? No, but its in a fiction universe so why not just let it go?
it’s a good thing Drogan is a fictional character or else he’d be in tears over how much bullying people are doing to him for being different
Players mostly answer: "we already respect differences, the problem is you could have chosen hundreds of characters from the lore and instead you invented a new one".
why is that a problem tho
Why make it a problem?
Just accept it and move on
Wow I can't believe DC made The Flash when we already have Superman with super speed
Wow I can't believe DC made Wonder Woman the problem is we already have a Superman so why invent a new one with the same powers
Wow I can't believe we have two transformers when the first one already can transform
Wow I can't believe they introduced a new car in the fast and the furious franchise when we have 10 movies worth of cars to choose from instead they invented a new one for the latest car heist
I just love how the relative arm strength of a single dude is a credibility issue in a battle where a high-tech army with armor, air support and laser cannons get crushed by sticks and stones.
So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.
You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.
I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
You mean vader should sit back in the office and read those papers, not fighting rebels and jedi in the frontline.
Stop taking realworld experiences into fiction universe.
If taking about realworld experiences, well Darth vader is a cyborg, those bionic parts breaks, not functioning all the day, especially he's fighting in the frontline. the empire will have a large engineering team with spare parts and doctors around him all the time to keep him alive. So that make sense? No, but its in a fiction universe so why not just let it go?
irl most people don’t have the force. and vader war rarely on the front lines. he walked in to the hoth base and fought luke a couple times. that’s it. also he choked some of his friends.
So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.
You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.
I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
It's almost like the rebellion isn't some state sanctioned military with nearly limitless resources where it can turn away people for any reason, but is instead a fledgling operation, desperate for people willing to help and welcome to everyone. And, when given a chance, a person with a congenital difference was able to participate and offer meaningful contributions to the cause.
if he is such an expert tactician, why would he be risked on the front lines, especially with a weaker arm. he should be, like i said, working an equally important job in the customer service area of home one.
The point of this "game" is to collect the characters we like from Star Wars media.
GBA exists. GBA named Flun Flac doesn't.
Endor Rebel Captains exists. Rebel Captain Drogan doesn't, and giving him a name doesn't add anything anyone wants.
Weird robot from OR era with a serial number surely can exist. Perhaps acceptable, but borderline in my opinion.
Why add obscure fanfic toons when there are plenty of more "official" toons that more players will recognise and want to add to their collection? There are literally thousands of them just waiting to be added.
To be honest, if the toons weren't Star Wars, we wouldn't be playing. Probably a good idea not to forget that.
So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.
You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.
I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
It's almost like the rebellion isn't some state sanctioned military with nearly limitless resources where it can turn away people for any reason, but is instead a fledgling operation, desperate for people willing to help and welcome to everyone. And, when given a chance, a person with a congenital difference was able to participate and offer meaningful contributions to the cause.
if he is such an expert tactician, why would he be risked on the front lines, especially with a weaker arm. he should be, like i said, working an equally important job in the customer service area of home one.
Because you probably want a tactician on the front lines with direct access to all of the data in case communications get jammed and you can't contact a tactician elsewhere? The mission was do or die, they needed talented individuals on the ground to increase the odds.
I have no clue why any of this is contentious. Some of you are throwing an absolute fit for no reason.
it’s a good thing Drogan is a fictional character or else he’d be in tears over how much bullying people are doing to him for being different
Players mostly answer: "we already respect differences, the problem is you could have chosen hundreds of characters from the lore and instead you invented a new one".
why is that a problem tho
Why make it a problem?
Just accept it and move on
Sheesh, I really hope you never have a complaint about anything. Fortunately, if you ever do, I guess the solution is oh so simple. “Why make it a problem? Just accept it and move on.”
It’s a problem because it’s a problem. Inserting a fan fiction character into a galactic legend squad feels undeserved.
You know how CG made a point of saying “we don’t want you to have to break up your CLS squad for GL Leia”?
Know why? Because we like it when characters who are together in the story-telling are also together in their squads.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for that logic to apply to CLS but not GL Leia. Arguably, a galactic legend deserves better.
Everything you said afterwards is just one bad straw-man after another.
it’s a good thing Drogan is a fictional character or else he’d be in tears over how much bullying people are doing to him for being different
Players mostly answer: "we already respect differences, the problem is you could have chosen hundreds of characters from the lore and instead you invented a new one".
why is that a problem tho
Why make it a problem?
Just accept it and move on
Sheesh, I really hope you never have a complaint about anything. Fortunately, if you ever do, I guess the solution is oh so simple. “Why make it a problem? Just accept it and move on.”
It’s a problem because it’s a problem. Inserting a fan fiction character into a galactic legend squad feels undeserved.
You know how CG made a point of saying “we don’t want you to have to break up your CLS squad for GL Leia”?
Know why? Because we like it when characters who are together in the story-telling are also together in their squads.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for that logic to apply to CLS but not GL Leia. Arguably, a galactic legend deserves better.
Everything you said afterwards is just one bad straw-man after another.
My favorite story telling moment was when Luke was escorted by Han, Chewie, Chewie, C3PO, and C3PO. Definitely a great on screen moment.
Well, that’s a fun, sarcastic quip that doesn’t invalidate the point whatsoever.
Luke saw each of those characters at one point or another in Empire, and had adventures with them throughout the trilogy, whether you’d like to get bogged into the semantics of the combination of two characters or not.
Can’t remember seeing Drogon on screen next to Leia at any point in any trilogy, unfortunately. Almost like the character never existed, but a whole lot of other ones did who could rightfully be put beside a galactic legend.
it’s a good thing Drogan is a fictional character or else he’d be in tears over how much bullying people are doing to him for being different
Players mostly answer: "we already respect differences, the problem is you could have chosen hundreds of characters from the lore and instead you invented a new one".
why is that a problem tho
Why make it a problem?
Just accept it and move on
Sheesh, I really hope you never have a complaint about anything. Fortunately, if you ever do, I guess the solution is oh so simple. “Why make it a problem? Just accept it and move on.”
It’s a problem because it’s a problem. Inserting a fan fiction character into a galactic legend squad feels undeserved.
You know how CG made a point of saying “we don’t want you to have to break up your CLS squad for GL Leia”?
Know why? Because we like it when characters who are together in the story-telling are also together in their squads.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for that logic to apply to CLS but not GL Leia. Arguably, a galactic legend deserves better.
Everything you said afterwards is just one bad straw-man after another.
My favorite story telling moment was when Luke was escorted by Han, Chewie, Chewie, C3PO, and C3PO. Definitely a great on screen moment.
I personally loved when lando leia krrsantan teamed up with boba and jabba
It’s pretty clear the fervent complaints are thinly veiled bigotry at this point.
The funny part is, we never had scout trooper in the game before.... The scout troopers were a huge part of Return of the Jedi.... The only complaints I saw was because they made Scout trooper a female....
Now, here we are with Drogan who is a rebel trooper (also and important part of ROTJ), and it's a whack of complaints because he has a limb difference..... Lol.....
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I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.
So where do you draw the line? No one dies from lightsaber wounds? Blasters are nerf darts? Clones were bread as super soldiers for no reason because according to you it doesn't matter? We have decades of lore that have framed the rules and logic of star Wars, and especially in the martial aspects, it's been quite clear that it's the same. Whether the old Republic Commando novels or the new clone wars, we have a very clear picture of what war is in star Wars. And it looks almost identical to war on earth, just on a grander scale.
And a 3 foot tall bear would have little to no trouble ripping a human limb from limb.
I didn’t know this was a thread about the show Ahsoka.
i agree with all that you stated
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we know this. many just don’t like the idea of them creating a character for a certain role, and that role cannot be fitted by this character. you tell me he was behind the customer service desk on home one and this is all fine.
It's almost like the rebellion isn't some state sanctioned military with nearly limitless resources where it can turn away people for any reason, but is instead a fledgling operation, desperate for people willing to help and welcome to everyone. And, when given a chance, a person with a congenital difference was able to participate and offer meaningful contributions to the cause.
I respect your military service first and foremost. That said, I will also disagree that you can apply military norms in the real world to the rebel alliance. Han Solo is a general after less than four years in the alliance, so is lando in less than a year. So ranks can’t be said to follow a normal military order compared to the real world.
Now, I actually assume by “earn his rank” you were discussing his capability on the battlefield and not duration in the military organization. All we’ve been told is he has a limb difference and had it described as a disability. Cg hasn’t quantified the severity. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion it’s a disqualifying disability. It may very well be in a real world military or even a real world rebel alliance in desperate need of people. The point is you’re assuming it’s disqualifying. I’m assuming he improvised, adapted, and overcame any limits he had and did it to a level satisfactory to the people he fought with and for. Both are reasonable assumptions as this is, after all, a fictional character in a fictional universe.
Ymmv
Having disabilities isn't a problem especially when modern or future tech can help solve the problem. It also depends on the universe that it is set in. Were i see it, the SW universe has plenty of I option where people like Drogon can get by fine. I can see how Drogon would be part of the Rebellion and be Frontline. One missing finger isn't too much of a hinder and Rebels aren't too picky on their roster choice. Considering probally alot of recruits still went empire, the Rebellion couldn't afford to turn away people. This is true even in real modern conflicts were people are rebelling. Everyone who wants to rebel will, not just the inshape fighting force.
This is something I can absolutely get behind. Cg, as usual, disappointed many of us by its decision.
I'm not saying that disqualifies him from participating in a desperately under-resourced and under-staffed Rebellion taking place in a fictitious universe.
You mean vader should sit back in the office and read those papers, not fighting rebels and jedi in the frontline.
Stop taking realworld experiences into fiction universe.
If taking about realworld experiences, well Darth vader is a cyborg, those bionic parts breaks, not functioning all the day, especially he's fighting in the frontline. the empire will have a large engineering team with spare parts and doctors around him all the time to keep him alive. So that make sense? No, but its in a fiction universe so why not just let it go?
why is that a problem tho
Why make it a problem?
Just accept it and move on
Wow I can't believe DC made The Flash when we already have Superman with super speed
Wow I can't believe DC made Wonder Woman the problem is we already have a Superman so why invent a new one with the same powers
Wow I can't believe we have two transformers when the first one already can transform
Wow I can't believe they introduced a new car in the fast and the furious franchise when we have 10 movies worth of cars to choose from instead they invented a new one for the latest car heist
irl most people don’t have the force. and vader war rarely on the front lines. he walked in to the hoth base and fought luke a couple times. that’s it. also he choked some of his friends.
if he is such an expert tactician, why would he be risked on the front lines, especially with a weaker arm. he should be, like i said, working an equally important job in the customer service area of home one.
GBA exists. GBA named Flun Flac doesn't.
Endor Rebel Captains exists. Rebel Captain Drogan doesn't, and giving him a name doesn't add anything anyone wants.
Weird robot from OR era with a serial number surely can exist. Perhaps acceptable, but borderline in my opinion.
Why add obscure fanfic toons when there are plenty of more "official" toons that more players will recognise and want to add to their collection? There are literally thousands of them just waiting to be added.
To be honest, if the toons weren't Star Wars, we wouldn't be playing. Probably a good idea not to forget that.
Because you probably want a tactician on the front lines with direct access to all of the data in case communications get jammed and you can't contact a tactician elsewhere? The mission was do or die, they needed talented individuals on the ground to increase the odds.
I have no clue why any of this is contentious. Some of you are throwing an absolute fit for no reason.
Sheesh, I really hope you never have a complaint about anything. Fortunately, if you ever do, I guess the solution is oh so simple. “Why make it a problem? Just accept it and move on.”
It’s a problem because it’s a problem. Inserting a fan fiction character into a galactic legend squad feels undeserved.
You know how CG made a point of saying “we don’t want you to have to break up your CLS squad for GL Leia”?
Know why? Because we like it when characters who are together in the story-telling are also together in their squads.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for that logic to apply to CLS but not GL Leia. Arguably, a galactic legend deserves better.
Everything you said afterwards is just one bad straw-man after another.
Can't argue with those wows, but aren't they also the reason we stopped paying to go watch those rehash types of movies anymore? I know I won't.
My favorite story telling moment was when Luke was escorted by Han, Chewie, Chewie, C3PO, and C3PO. Definitely a great on screen moment.
Luke saw each of those characters at one point or another in Empire, and had adventures with them throughout the trilogy, whether you’d like to get bogged into the semantics of the combination of two characters or not.
Can’t remember seeing Drogon on screen next to Leia at any point in any trilogy, unfortunately. Almost like the character never existed, but a whole lot of other ones did who could rightfully be put beside a galactic legend.
I personally loved when lando leia krrsantan teamed up with boba and jabba
The funny part is, we never had scout trooper in the game before.... The scout troopers were a huge part of Return of the Jedi.... The only complaints I saw was because they made Scout trooper a female....
Now, here we are with Drogan who is a rebel trooper (also and important part of ROTJ), and it's a whack of complaints because he has a limb difference..... Lol.....