An Elegant Fix For A More Civilised Age (Or How To Stop Guild Kicking During Raids) -- DEV COMMENT
May 20, 2016 3:18PM
edited May 2016
To start off, I have no horse in this race, as I'm an officer in a great guild that is always in the top 20 (Shout out to TheMandalorianSyndicate) which treats all their members fairly.
Devs, here's a fix to implement that can easily stop this type of behavior: disable kicking of members from when a raid is activated until after the rewards are given out.
Devs, here's a fix to implement that can easily stop this type of behavior: disable kicking of members from when a raid is activated until after the rewards are given out.
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People would troll this system so hard.
So after the raid has completed you can kick them.
Is it better to tolerate a troll for the span of one raid or having troll guilds kicking people just to steal their raid work?
And if there is interest in stopping bigotry/trolling, why not add the ability to ignore/report users in chat?
Aren't officers/leaders trolling the current system?
At leas this way the people being trolled don't miss out on content they contributed for.
Guild leaders are already trolling the system hard. That seems like a bigger issue to me than a few days of an annoying guild member who you report mid-raid and boot post-raid.
The difference here is that it's their guild.
I think there is a better solution than this, but I don't have anything to share at this moment
It shouldn't be up to just one person to decide actions in a guild. Want to start or abort raid? You need a minimum of two officers and leader to decide. Want to boot someone? Same thing.
Conversely, make it so that you may not participate in a raid that began prior to you joining the guild (it may already be like this, I have no idea).
Finally, there could be a mechanism preventing you from joining another raid until any "open" raids are completed (i.e. you have received the rewards); effectively you can only ever be a member of one raid, regardless of guild membership.
Seems like a more direct approach to the solution.
Bigger problem in my opinion is that there is no way to tell people why they are kicked other than having established a way of communication out of the game. Simplest (I didn't say easiest) partial fix would be to at least a) require a reason to give when kicking people and b) to give at least officers (and kicked people) some private chat. Trolling not prevented, but these things at least allow for direct nodiscardable or overlooked communication. And the first one would ease my conscience a lot at least as I can choose to supply a means of coming back to me if they like.
And how hard is it to have an alt so it's still just one person?
CHEATING??? Yes, we have caught people cheating with the damage buff. The total damage reported from the battle equals 1.5 times the amount of damage their characters actually scored. It is easy to see with a screenshot.
IF ANY GUILDS AREN'T DOING THIS THEN THEY AREN'T DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT THEIR MEMBERS FROM CHEATERS!
Unfortunately cheating is real in this game and it is up to the Guild officers to detect and punish.
EDIT: Proof
So it's okay to exploit other players because "it's their guild?"
You could just give guild leaders/officers the ability to mute or even block people from being allowed in chat (like you guys already do with minors) to deal with these wily trolls. And as an aside what's the purpose of the obscenity filters then... to keep us from asking for an "assist," yet still allowing us to call someone an (3 letter word for posterior/synonym for donkey)?
Actually, would it not be the job of CG/EA to punish those that are found violating its EULA?
Yes, the guild management has a responsibility to report any cheaters, but to take the law into your own hands would make you vigilantes. And those only pop up when people feel the law isn't being enforced appropriately, no?
I had done about 40% of the total damage for the raid between my two accounts and they kicked me with the final phase about half way done. I received nothing and the leaches that depended on my damage since the guilds were added I assume split the rewards. Sent EA a complaint and received a message back saying they would look into it but I would not be told the result. Wow..... only saving grace is the knowledge they are now going to take twice as long to finish a raid. If one of you fine DrunkSide Folks catch this post I beg you to report me to EA and when they come back stating I didn't do anything wrong delete your accounts and go play Candy Crush.
Starting a raid needing 3 people? You only need 2 people to input their codes to launch nuclear missiles
As a guild leader myself, how do they do this?? I don't even know how that is possible... a hack??
I don't think this is proof. the damage report is bugged, there have been multiple threads about this. And with that team he can easily do 250k in phase 2-3
i have no opinion on the topic on kicking durings raids, since that has never been an issue for us.
but in regards to trolling: rather than having such a broken profanity filter in place (one that censors countless harmless words), why not give officers a mod function in the guild chat. much less intrusive for communication and much more effective against insults and trolling.
Introduce a mute option in chat ?
Does anyone really use guild chat that much?
The OP is right. Once a raid is started the guild roster should be locked until rewards are given upon completion. Nobody should be used for damage then booted. It's wrong.
There are plenty of good guilds around here.
I also don't think this is proof. DOT damage doesn't register to the toon that caused it. I suspect the same is true with assists.