Having it is a guaranteed clear of fleet zones in GAC. As long as you don't need the banners from doing it first try you just nuke the enemy capital ship and clean up with trash on second. Fleet in GAC is about to get even dumber.
This also assumes the other fleet doesn’t waffle stomp yours before you get the Manuever off, if you go in with just the current resistance ships in your starting line up I wouldn’t expect to last very long against current meta fleets, and the fewer resistance ships you have using specials, the longer it will take to get off cooldown... I don’t see this being much of an issue right out of the gate (it’s true HT might give the fleet some legs to get the manuever off, but there is only one HT to spread across your fleets)
Have you read the full kit? That fleet is going to be beefy
I have.
Even the kit in game, where you can see which of the bonuses are gated behind 6 and 7 star capital ship ownership, and I continue to stand by original statement - “I don’t see this being much of an issue right out of the gate”.
Yeah nah it’s probably going to get pretty dumb. Holdo’s team will probably be unkillable, I imagine mirror matches will be a complete snooze fest until the big climax where they both kill each other.
So it’ll probably be 1) send in backup fleet to get enemy Holdo to maneuver herself straight into the garbage can 2) beat the now beatable enemy fleet
It’s a 10 turn cooldown that is reduced each time a resistance ally with foresight uses a special ability. She gives out a lot of foresight, not to mention the foresight resistance characters may give themselves. And nobody said crap fleet, I said backup fleet.
Do not confuse the definition of troll for “anyone I disagree with”.
As long as you don't need the banners from doing it first try
OK but like, shouldn't you be aiming for that?
not a single person full cleared me this last week. So it doesn't really matter if it takes 8 tries per team. As long as I clear I win. This isn't all that rare. I am sure I am not the only person that finds this sort of win condition. Or, maybe they drop 2 battles and it leaves me room to throw one? There are a lot of circumstances that will marginalize any reasons for having multiple fleets. It isn't that hard to figure out the enormous tactical advantage this ship gives.
Also I know this thread isn’t about the movie but god the Holdo Maneuver is so bad for the internal logic of the series.
Who knew we could have just lobbed kamikaze pilots into the Death Star until it blew up? Better yet, get droids to pilot the ships.
Lol they confirmed that the only reason it worked was that the Raddus had a reinforced shield. Without that shield it would have disintegrated on contact with the enemy shield and wouldn't have done anything. Who knew it doesn't do anything to the logic of the series, especially when that logic is based on the rule of cool.
Nope ,use GG ship and stun her.no last special to use.speed is the game still
Yep. Greavous makes it hard to get that done.
That said ive yet to see it as i can beat the event before having to use it
I actually was able to use it in the bonus round. It was interesting it killed the enemy ship and dropped 1 more reinforcement to fill out my 5. Without negotiator the rest of those ships were as good as dead. It's an interesting concept. One that should probably only be used if you have numerical superiority.
Nope ,use GG ship and stun her.no last special to use.speed is the game still
Yep. Greavous makes it hard to get that done.
That said ive yet to see it as i can beat the event before having to use it
Except GG doesn't reduce his ult cooldown and Holdo does, so guess who's gonna fire it off first. In case it wasn't clear already, CG hates everyone who picked Malevolence over Nego...
Also I know this thread isn’t about the movie but god the Holdo Maneuver is so bad for the internal logic of the series.
Who knew we could have just lobbed kamikaze pilots into the Death Star until it blew up? Better yet, get droids to pilot the ships.
Lol they confirmed that the only reason it worked was that the Raddus had a reinforced shield. Without that shield it would have disintegrated on contact with the enemy shield and wouldn't have done anything. Who knew it doesn't do anything to the logic of the series, especially when that logic is based on the rule of cool.
Ya been served. (with even more accurate star wars wookiepedia level knowledge)
CG hates everyone who picked Malevolence over Nego...
Dunno, seems like a fleet that can consistently beat a fully relic'd fleet with some G12 pilots and some ships that have no pilots (and therefore no gear sinks) is something that CG gave me because they love me.
Nope ,use GG ship and stun her.no last special to use.speed is the game still
Yep. Greavous makes it hard to get that done.
That said ive yet to see it as i can beat the event before having to use it
I actually was able to use it in the bonus round. It was interesting it killed the enemy ship and dropped 1 more reinforcement to fill out my 5. Without negotiator the rest of those ships were as good as dead. It's an interesting concept. One that should probably only be used if you have numerical superiority.
Yeah i wanted to use it.... but my resistance ships are my weakest so.... speeding it up is not easy
What you’re saying isn’t true.
You wouldn’t be able to fly xwings into the death star and blow it up. You’d need something bigger. Which the Death Star would see coming. Holdo was able to do it because she surprised them.
Why does her sacrifice suddenly mean that everyone else should be going in killing themselves in missions to destroy things? Clearly there are other ways
But for the topic in hand. If you use the Raddus as stated you’ll still need two battles. Which means that if you’re opponent beats you in one the Raddus is less effective
CG hates everyone who picked Malevolence over Nego...
Dunno, seems like a fleet that can consistently beat a fully relic'd fleet with some G12 pilots and some ships that have no pilots (and therefore no gear sinks) is something that CG gave me because they love me.
And with Nego, you would probably still win, and get TB utility on top of that.
CG hates everyone who picked Malevolence over Nego...
Dunno, seems like a fleet that can consistently beat a fully relic'd fleet with some G12 pilots and some ships that have no pilots (and therefore no gear sinks) is something that CG gave me because they love me.
And with Nego, you would probably still win, and get TB utility on top of that.
There's an easy way to test this theory, at least for folks who managed to unlock Raddus. Try taking it into a fleet battle and see if you can get the maneuver off. I suspect you won't be able to. Despite the foresight and protection recovery, a decent GR, Sep, or Rebel fleet will mow down the garbage resistance which is currently available. How do you expect to survive more than a couple rounds when they have the top ships in the game, and you can't kill anything?
Also I know this thread isn’t about the movie but god the Holdo Maneuver is so bad for the internal logic of the series.
Who knew we could have just lobbed kamikaze pilots into the Death Star until it blew up? Better yet, get droids to pilot the ships.
Lol they confirmed that the only reason it worked was that the Raddus had a reinforced shield. Without that shield it would have disintegrated on contact with the enemy shield and wouldn't have done anything. Who knew it doesn't do anything to the logic of the series, especially when that logic is based on the rule of cool.
One of the standard Star Wars physics truths we have accepted is that bigger ships have stronger shields, presumably because they have room for bigger generators. It's a simple explanation that we can all understand, strength scales with size. It stands to reason that Supremacy should have had stronger shields than Raddus.
Now you want us to accept that Raddus had a "reinforced" shield? Really? That's the explanation we are given? What exactly is so special about a "reinforced" shield? Does it have rebar in it? Probably not, maybe just MOAR BETTER shield generators than the other ships, with extra special deflecting power. Power to deflect the strongest bombardment, and fly through other ships' shields with impunity.
Hey, wait a minute now ... the Raddus had more better shields like this, and the only strategy they could come up with was to run away? Why not take their impervious shields, turn around, and just frontal assault the enemy fleet, fly through their shields at point-blank range and blow them into smithereens?
I suppose it's a good thing that Supremacy didn't have EXTRA MOAR BETTER shields or the whole maneuver would have been like running into a brick wall.
They should put these "reinforced" shields on every ship. Boy, that would show them who's boss!
On an unrelated side note: it was called a "Star Destroyer" not because it was a destroyer of stars, but because it is a destroyer (a class of naval ship) that flies among the stars. Frigates, destroyers, cruisers, freighters ... all of these SHIPS belong to the NAVY that commands them.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm so relieved.
Also I know this thread isn’t about the movie but god the Holdo Maneuver is so bad for the internal logic of the series.
Who knew we could have just lobbed kamikaze pilots into the Death Star until it blew up? Better yet, get droids to pilot the ships.
Lol they confirmed that the only reason it worked was that the Raddus had a reinforced shield. Without that shield it would have disintegrated on contact with the enemy shield and wouldn't have done anything. Who knew it doesn't do anything to the logic of the series, especially when that logic is based on the rule of cool.
Hey, wait a minute now ... the Raddus had more better shields like this, and the only strategy they could come up with was to run away? Why not take their impervious shields, turn around, and just frontal assault the enemy fleet, fly through their shields at point-blank range and blow them into smithereens?
Congrats you’ve described what they did in the movie.
Also I know this thread isn’t about the movie but god the Holdo Maneuver is so bad for the internal logic of the series.
Who knew we could have just lobbed kamikaze pilots into the Death Star until it blew up? Better yet, get droids to pilot the ships.
Lol they confirmed that the only reason it worked was that the Raddus had a reinforced shield. Without that shield it would have disintegrated on contact with the enemy shield and wouldn't have done anything. Who knew it doesn't do anything to the logic of the series, especially when that logic is based on the rule of cool.
Hey, wait a minute now ... the Raddus had more better shields like this, and the only strategy they could come up with was to run away? Why not take their impervious shields, turn around, and just frontal assault the enemy fleet, fly through their shields at point-blank range and blow them into smithereens?
Congrats you’ve described what they did in the movie.
That is not what they did in TLJ. A kamikaze ramming run is far different from a tactical assault, and one of these makes far better use of impervious shields with lower requirement for certain death.
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I have.
Even the kit in game, where you can see which of the bonuses are gated behind 6 and 7 star capital ship ownership, and I continue to stand by original statement - “I don’t see this being much of an issue right out of the gate”.
So it’ll probably be 1) send in backup fleet to get enemy Holdo to maneuver herself straight into the garbage can 2) beat the now beatable enemy fleet
Who knew we could have just lobbed kamikaze pilots into the Death Star until it blew up? Better yet, get droids to pilot the ships.
Did I talk about holdo on Defense? I must have missed that?
Do not confuse the definition of troll for “anyone I disagree with”.
OK but like, shouldn't you be aiming for that?
not a single person full cleared me this last week. So it doesn't really matter if it takes 8 tries per team. As long as I clear I win. This isn't all that rare. I am sure I am not the only person that finds this sort of win condition. Or, maybe they drop 2 battles and it leaves me room to throw one? There are a lot of circumstances that will marginalize any reasons for having multiple fleets. It isn't that hard to figure out the enormous tactical advantage this ship gives.
Lol they confirmed that the only reason it worked was that the Raddus had a reinforced shield. Without that shield it would have disintegrated on contact with the enemy shield and wouldn't have done anything. Who knew it doesn't do anything to the logic of the series, especially when that logic is based on the rule of cool.
Yep. Greavous makes it hard to get that done.
That said ive yet to see it as i can beat the event before having to use it
I actually was able to use it in the bonus round. It was interesting it killed the enemy ship and dropped 1 more reinforcement to fill out my 5. Without negotiator the rest of those ships were as good as dead. It's an interesting concept. One that should probably only be used if you have numerical superiority.
Except GG doesn't reduce his ult cooldown and Holdo does, so guess who's gonna fire it off first. In case it wasn't clear already, CG hates everyone who picked Malevolence over Nego...
Ya been served. (with even more accurate star wars wookiepedia level knowledge)
Dunno, seems like a fleet that can consistently beat a fully relic'd fleet with some G12 pilots and some ships that have no pilots (and therefore no gear sinks) is something that CG gave me because they love me.
Yeah i wanted to use it.... but my resistance ships are my weakest so.... speeding it up is not easy
@Slothmaster
What you’re saying isn’t true.
You wouldn’t be able to fly xwings into the death star and blow it up. You’d need something bigger. Which the Death Star would see coming. Holdo was able to do it because she surprised them.
Why does her sacrifice suddenly mean that everyone else should be going in killing themselves in missions to destroy things? Clearly there are other ways
But for the topic in hand. If you use the Raddus as stated you’ll still need two battles. Which means that if you’re opponent beats you in one the Raddus is less effective
And with Nego, you would probably still win, and get TB utility on top of that.
That wasn't the argument.
One of the standard Star Wars physics truths we have accepted is that bigger ships have stronger shields, presumably because they have room for bigger generators. It's a simple explanation that we can all understand, strength scales with size. It stands to reason that Supremacy should have had stronger shields than Raddus.
Now you want us to accept that Raddus had a "reinforced" shield? Really? That's the explanation we are given? What exactly is so special about a "reinforced" shield? Does it have rebar in it? Probably not, maybe just MOAR BETTER shield generators than the other ships, with extra special deflecting power. Power to deflect the strongest bombardment, and fly through other ships' shields with impunity.
Hey, wait a minute now ... the Raddus had more better shields like this, and the only strategy they could come up with was to run away? Why not take their impervious shields, turn around, and just frontal assault the enemy fleet, fly through their shields at point-blank range and blow them into smithereens?
I suppose it's a good thing that Supremacy didn't have EXTRA MOAR BETTER shields or the whole maneuver would have been like running into a brick wall.
They should put these "reinforced" shields on every ship. Boy, that would show them who's boss!
On an unrelated side note: it was called a "Star Destroyer" not because it was a destroyer of stars, but because it is a destroyer (a class of naval ship) that flies among the stars. Frigates, destroyers, cruisers, freighters ... all of these SHIPS belong to the NAVY that commands them.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm so relieved.
Congrats you’ve described what they did in the movie.
That is not what they did in TLJ. A kamikaze ramming run is far different from a tactical assault, and one of these makes far better use of impervious shields with lower requirement for certain death.