So with EP lead, Vader is already essentially getting a bonus turn from Force Crush for dropping all those debuffs if there's at least three enemies. I'm curious how MM plays with that. He also gets a bonus turn on Saber Throw finishing blow. So are we getting DOUBLE the bonus turns, or are the bonus turns that were already there being negated/canceled out?
You’re right, I missed the fear part there. I intended to mean more of the “bonus turn from enemies” part. I ask because I saw a vid where Malak took a bonus turn while DV was in Merciless mode and that wasnt suppose to happen, I thought.
Can you please doublecheck with the designers on the AI's intended priority?
After numerous tests this response appears to be false. I've had the AI prioritize Force Crush (AoE) in 20 of 20 different tests. Leading with AoE is only beneficial under Palpatine lead, due to the TM gain. In all other scenarios, he would benefit more from the AI prioritizing Merciless Massacre.
Can you please doublecheck with the designers on the AI's intended priority?
After numerous tests this response appears to be false. I've had the AI prioritize Force Crush (AoE) in 20 of 20 different tests. Leading with AoE is only beneficial under Palpatine lead, due to the TM gain. In all other scenarios, he would benefit more from the AI prioritizing Merciless Massacre.
Meaning a SLKR team would benefit from this behavior on defense I think GLs are tough enough to counter as they are and SLKR already received a major upgrade. I'm fine with the AI as it is now.
You’re right, I missed the fear part there. I intended to mean more of the “bonus turn from enemies” part. I ask because I saw a vid where Malak took a bonus turn while DV was in Merciless mode and that wasnt suppose to happen, I thought.
Under a palp lead you can get 10 turns in a row right? So long as you can land debuffs.
1.Crush (TM gain from palp)
2.Merciless(bonus)
3.Any(bonus1)
4.Any(bonus2)
5.Any(b3)
6.Any(b4)
7.Any(b5)
8.Culling blade(is this a bonus turn on kill, or turn meter manipulation? Depends if merciless goes away before tm gain tries to happen)
9.Crush(extra tm from palp maybe not enough enemies left now).
10.basic.
When Savior is triggered on GAS, GAS takes his bonus turn mid-Massacre. @CG_SBCrumb
To follow up on this - are Vader teams stomping GLs working as intended? I'm sure players getting ready to pour relics into Vet Chewie, Rose, Holdo and others would love to know if they're wasting months of resources....
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His bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain so, yes that would prevent other characters from taking a turn in the middle of his rampage. Counter attacks can still happen though
@CG_SBCrumb you may need to revise that statment or something is broke
@CG_SBCrumb does the second part of the new unique mean that the addition/dispelling of merciless target and any other debuffs while he takes bonus turns won't generate TM under an EP lead? Or does this just prevent Malak/JKA/Padme from jumping in the middle of his bonus turns?
As you can see JKA is clearing jumping in the middle of his rampage
Well CG,good job and next nerf to my Rey,now Vader one shoot her just like this with 700k hits hahahaah.Pls just give me back my 💰 spended on Rey,and get her useless kit back,I don't need her...
I know a lot of people have been critical of CG over the last few months, which was rightfully deserved. But, this is an awesome update to an iconic Star Wars character, so thank you. Also, it's great to see you again @CG_SBCrumb, I hope you've been well.
While Merciless, Darth Vader is immune to Fear and Turn Meter manipulation, and his bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain.
I assume this is the line people mean when they say that enemy gain bonus turn when they shouldn't (like Malak and JKA). To which I ask: Where does it say it prevents enemy bonus turns? It says that Dath vader's Bonus turns don't trigger other characters effects. I personally thought this meant effects like Probe Droid's unique, where he gains turn meter at the end of every Empire ally's turn, or Darth Nihilus inflicting Health Down at the start of an enemy's turn. Or at least effects among those lines. (thou some confirmation on this would be nice)
It most certainly does not say it prevents enemy bonus turns or turn meter gain thou. It says specifically that it prevents effects reacting to his bonus turns. JKA and Malak gain bonus turns based on the damage they or their allies receive. This is thus not an effect reacting to Vader's bonus turns, and thus won't be prevented. JKA and Malak gaining bonus turns during merciless is exactly what I would expect to happen.
@CG_SBCrumb does the second part of the new unique mean that the addition/dispelling of merciless target and any other debuffs while he takes bonus turns won't generate TM under an EP lead? Or does this just prevent Malak/JKA/Padme from jumping in the middle of his bonus turns?
His bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain so, yes that would prevent other characters from taking a turn in the middle of his rampage. Counter attacks can still happen though
What does this post by Crumb on the first page mean then? @Ichiraikou
@CG_SBCrumb does the second part of the new unique mean that the addition/dispelling of merciless target and any other debuffs while he takes bonus turns won't generate TM under an EP lead? Or does this just prevent Malak/JKA/Padme from jumping in the middle of his bonus turns?
His bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain so, yes that would prevent other characters from taking a turn in the middle of his rampage. Counter attacks can still happen though
What does this post by Crumb on the first page mean then? @Ichiraikou
@Mike10003 that I hadn't seen that post of him. Guess I was wrong after all, still weirdly worded thou.
If the bonus turn thing was affecting Rey/Kylo we would've already have a "We are currently investigating the issue" announcement or immediate hotfix.
But it's just Vader so nahhhh.....
Will just be another addition to the long list of things that CG doesn't give a darn about.
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Got new toons geared, ROLO, CHS, JKL, KAM, all the GL trash toon requirements, Vader new ability...
But I gotta test them where? Galactic War...
Judging from this animation, the "wrong" perception we have of his pose might be due to the depth of his "chest box".
Great. I can't unsee this when I look at Vader now. You've ruined August for all of us.
But the road ahead is still coming in June right?
Lol maybe put on some glasses and read the second paragraph, that starts merciless:
This one: https://youtu.be/V1ehd_hLQx8
@CG_SBCrumb
Can you please doublecheck with the designers on the AI's intended priority?
After numerous tests this response appears to be false. I've had the AI prioritize Force Crush (AoE) in 20 of 20 different tests. Leading with AoE is only beneficial under Palpatine lead, due to the TM gain. In all other scenarios, he would benefit more from the AI prioritizing Merciless Massacre.
Is that change possibly a shift left? Like mid-week? Because that would be one for the W column
When Savior is triggered on GAS, GAS takes his bonus turn mid-Massacre. @CG_SBCrumb
Meaning a SLKR team would benefit from this behavior on defense I think GLs are tough enough to counter as they are and SLKR already received a major upgrade. I'm fine with the AI as it is now.
Vader is so over powered taking out that team.
1.Crush (TM gain from palp)
2.Merciless(bonus)
3.Any(bonus1)
4.Any(bonus2)
5.Any(b3)
6.Any(b4)
7.Any(b5)
8.Culling blade(is this a bonus turn on kill, or turn meter manipulation? Depends if merciless goes away before tm gain tries to happen)
9.Crush(extra tm from palp maybe not enough enemies left now).
10.basic.
To follow up on this - are Vader teams stomping GLs working as intended? I'm sure players getting ready to pour relics into Vet Chewie, Rose, Holdo and others would love to know if they're wasting months of resources....
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Orginal question was
As you can see JKA is clearing jumping in the middle of his rampage
The end of this week from what crumb mentioned.
Hopefully it doesn't get delayed to next week.
It most certainly does not say it prevents enemy bonus turns or turn meter gain thou. It says specifically that it prevents effects reacting to his bonus turns. JKA and Malak gain bonus turns based on the damage they or their allies receive. This is thus not an effect reacting to Vader's bonus turns, and thus won't be prevented. JKA and Malak gaining bonus turns during merciless is exactly what I would expect to happen.
What does this post by Crumb on the first page mean then? @Ichiraikou
@Mike10003 that I hadn't seen that post of him. Guess I was wrong after all, still weirdly worded thou.
But it's just Vader so nahhhh.....
Will just be another addition to the long list of things that CG doesn't give a darn about.