At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
Please show a quote saying thounsands of hours. I will wait.
Also, there was testing, and as they just said they went back to test more after hearing this and do not see it, as described.
So being easily beaten by teams from 2018 and 2019 metas is WAI?
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At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
Please show a quote saying thounsands of hours. I will wait.
Also, there was testing, and as they just said they went back to test more after hearing this and do not see it, as described.
Maybe they don't always select JML (which they should rarely do since he can't gain the buff), but they definitely will often choose a character that can't gain the buff, can't assist, or both.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
Please show a quote saying thounsands of hours. I will wait.
Also, there was testing, and as they just said they went back to test more after hearing this and do not see it, as described.
So is it random who gets called? Every board I've seen on discord says it always targets JML? They aren't replicating that when they face him on D?
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
I can tell you right now from those two videos that anyone that knows what they are doing will never see JML get to his ultimate on defense. If the AI isn't going to actively try to charget he ultimate by using the ability to call characters that can at least be buffed, it's never going to hold against anything with shock, BI or AB.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
I can tell you right now from those two videos that anyone that knows what they are doing will never see JML get to his ultimate on defense. If the AI isn't going to actively try to charget he ultimate by using the ability to call characters that can at least be buffed, it's never going to hold against anything with shock, BI or AB.
Efflux needs to be irresistible or something then, when either tenacity up or shock just stops him dead in his tracks, he is pretty useless. I guess he is a Kylo counter, which JKL already was.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
Please show a quote saying thounsands of hours. I will wait.
Also, there was testing, and as they just said they went back to test more after hearing this and do not see it, as described.
So is it random who gets called? Every board I've seen on discord says it always targets JML? They aren't replicating that when they face him on D?
I understand people are saying it, what we are looking for is why they are saying it, it's not shown to be the case in those videos.
No they are not seeing that when playing agaisnt him on D.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
So you’re saying that GML with ult getting easily beat by a DR team is WAI? They didn’t think to test defense against one of the most common counters people try? If that’s the case, RIP GML.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
Please show a quote saying thounsands of hours. I will wait.
Also, there was testing, and as they just said they went back to test more after hearing this and do not see it, as described.
Maybe they don't always select JML (which they should rarely do since he can't gain the buff), but they definitely will often choose a character that can't gain the buff, can't assist, or both.
If its random, its random, that is a different conversation. The point here was that it's not random, but favoring JML. One issue at a time.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
Please show a quote saying thounsands of hours. I will wait.
Also, there was testing, and as they just said they went back to test more after hearing this and do not see it, as described.
Maybe they don't always select JML (which they should rarely do since he can't gain the buff), but they definitely will often choose a character that can't gain the buff, can't assist, or both.
If its random, its random, that is a different conversation. The point here was that it's not random, but favoring JML. One issue at a time.
I appreciate you looking in to it, if that's the case I trust you and it's actually more disheartening, just means he is easily manipulated by shock and tenacity up and realistically won't get his Ult up on defense ever.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
So you’re saying that GML with ult getting easily beat by a DR team is WAI? They didn’t think to test defense against one of the most common counters people try? If that’s the case, RIP GML.
Did I say that?
Implication is there. If they tested against the 2 of the most used counters, didn’t see it getting easily defeated and releasing it that way....that means either they didn’t test or it’s WAI. The fact they they looked at it again, saying we see nothing wrong sways heavily towards the WAI side.
That's basically what I just mirrored, the fact that it isn't an AI bug just means that he isn't that good on Defense and will never reliably get ult up.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
So you’re saying that GML with ult getting easily beat by a DR team is WAI? They didn’t think to test defense against one of the most common counters people try? If that’s the case, RIP GML.
Did I say that?
Implication is there. If they tested against the 2 of the most used counters, didn’t see it getting easily defeated and releasing it that way....that means either they didn’t test or it’s WAI. The fact they they looked at it again, saying we see nothing wrong sways heavily towards the WAI side.
Did I day that? Would you mind just answering yes or no, rather than just trying to twist this around.
WAI or not: when SLK got his buff to be protected against GAS there was an argument about a lower investment level. I expect something similar to happen IF this is consistent.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
So you’re saying that GML with ult getting easily beat by a DR team is WAI? They didn’t think to test defense against one of the most common counters people try? If that’s the case, RIP GML.
Did I say that?
Implication is there. If they tested against the 2 of the most used counters, didn’t see it getting easily defeated and releasing it that way....that means either they didn’t test or it’s WAI. The fact they they looked at it again, saying we see nothing wrong sways heavily towards the WAI side.
Did I day that? Would you mind just answering yes or no, rather than just trying to twist this around.
I'll help, no I didnt.
Thank you.
Kyno, we do genuinely appreciate your efforts to help sort this out and act as a mediator between us and the devs.
WAI or not: when SLK got his buff to be protected against GAS there was an argument about a lower investment level. I expect something similar to happen IF this is consistent.
They don't make font sizes big enough for that "IF". Honestly, if more people are unlocking JML than pursuing SEE, I fully expect CG to leave it and let JML be sub-par compared to other GLs. That would be consistent - not in terms of this case, but in terms of CG's manner of doing business.
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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WAI or not: when SLK got his buff to be protected against GAS there was an argument about a lower investment level. I expect something similar to happen IF this is consistent.
They don't make font sizes big enough for that "IF". Honestly, if more people are unlocking JML than pursuing SEE, I fully expect CG to leave it and let JML be sub-par compared to other GLs. That would be consistent - not in terms of this case, but in terms of CG's manner of doing business.
This is why you wait to invest. GML doesn't do anything more than standard JKR, JKL team does already and the fact that he pulls from that team just makes it even worse.
LS GLs getting the shaft again, SEE and Kylo are both better PVE and PVP.
After seeing GMLs kit I knew PVE would be bad again but I was hoping there would be Arena/ GAC use.
If he's just a Kylo counter on offense, you might as well just use the JKR JKL one with OB
WAI or not: when SLK got his buff to be protected against GAS there was an argument about a lower investment level. I expect something similar to happen IF this is consistent.
They don't make font sizes big enough for that "IF". Honestly, if more people are unlocking JML than pursuing SEE, I fully expect CG to leave it and let JML be sub-par compared to other GLs. That would be consistent - not in terms of this case, but in terms of CG's manner of doing business.
This is why you wait to invest. GML doesn't do anything more than standard JKR, JKL team does already and the fact that he pulls from that team just makes it even worse.
As I said before - then CG needs to be careful about throwing around words like "PREEMINENT" in the kit description. Because, as you correctly point out, if he is no better than either of those two Jedi leads (or actually, worse) that's actually the opposite of "preeminent'.
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
WAI or not: when SLK got his buff to be protected against GAS there was an argument about a lower investment level. I expect something similar to happen IF this is consistent.
They don't make font sizes big enough for that "IF". Honestly, if more people are unlocking JML than pursuing SEE, I fully expect CG to leave it and let JML be sub-par compared to other GLs. That would be consistent - not in terms of this case, but in terms of CG's manner of doing business.
This is why you wait to invest. GML doesn't do anything more than standard JKR, JKL team does already and the fact that he pulls from that team just makes it even worse.
LS GLs getting the shaft again, SEE and Kylo are both better PVE and PVP.
After seeing GMLs kit I knew PVE would be bad again but I was hoping there would be Arena/ GAC use.
If he's just a Kylo counter on offense, you might as well just use the JKR JKL one with OB
PVE was not bad before, so can’t be bad “again”, but also won’t be bad. He won’t do much in the Sith Raid again, but he’ll probably make another 4/4 LSTB team.
As for PVP... you won’t be setting him on defense anywhere, but he’ll beat everything on offense. It’s just lame that as the most resource intensive character in the game he can be beaten so easily by 2+ year old characters.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
So you’re saying that GML with ult getting easily beat by a DR team is WAI? They didn’t think to test defense against one of the most common counters people try? If that’s the case, RIP GML.
Did I say that?
Implication is there. If they tested against the 2 of the most used counters, didn’t see it getting easily defeated and releasing it that way....that means either they didn’t test or it’s WAI. The fact they they looked at it again, saying we see nothing wrong sways heavily towards the WAI side.
Did I day that? Would you mind just answering yes or no, rather than just trying to twist this around.
I'll help, no I didnt.
Thank you.
Apologies. I wasn’t clear, I wasn’t stating you said it personally, but by proxy from the devs.
That was in no way stated or implied by what I said. Please stop trying to twist things. And please stay on the actual topic.
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
So you’re saying that GML with ult getting easily beat by a DR team is WAI? They didn’t think to test defense against one of the most common counters people try? If that’s the case, RIP GML.
Did I say that?
Implication is there. If they tested against the 2 of the most used counters, didn’t see it getting easily defeated and releasing it that way....that means either they didn’t test or it’s WAI. The fact they they looked at it again, saying we see nothing wrong sways heavily towards the WAI side.
Did I day that? Would you mind just answering yes or no, rather than just trying to twist this around.
I'll help, no I didnt.
Thank you.
Pretty obviously a question mark at the end. If that's not what you meant try clarifying not lashing out
@CG_SBCrumb Any comment on the issue and the videos? Any comment on what Ultra publish about JML tries to use Inherited Teachings on toons that cannot assist so he wastes a turn?
At least the devs don't act like they did thousands of hours of testing anymore.
Good to see them finally approve of the we haven't tested anything narrative so no idea how any of this will work approach.
The fact that they said they didn’t see this in internal testing, tells you all you need to know.
Soooo, is there still a beta team? Seems like something that would have been easy to chance if tested. Can we get a public comment on this “we’re looking into it” maybe??
Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
So you’re saying that GML with ult getting easily beat by a DR team is WAI? They didn’t think to test defense against one of the most common counters people try? If that’s the case, RIP GML.
Did I say that?
Implication is there. If they tested against the 2 of the most used counters, didn’t see it getting easily defeated and releasing it that way....that means either they didn’t test or it’s WAI. The fact they they looked at it again, saying we see nothing wrong sways heavily towards the WAI side.
Did I day that? Would you mind just answering yes or no, rather than just trying to twist this around.
I'll help, no I didnt.
Thank you.
Pretty obviously a question mark at the end. If that's not what you meant try clarifying not lashing out
What in the world are you talking about? Just stop. Please.
Can confirm GL Luke crumbles to DR team in arena none ult Easy Peezy lemon squeezy. Like I said before launch “buff Luke” But for some reason the developers think the Darkside should be the more powerful even though they didn’t win
Can confirm GL Luke crumbles to DR team in arena none ult Easy Peezy lemon squeezy. Like I said before launch “buff Luke” But for some reason the developers think the Darkside should be the more powerful even though they didn’t win
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So being easily beaten by teams from 2018 and 2019 metas is WAI?
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Yes there is and I suspect they are not seeing this behavior either.
That's kinda the point, there is nothing to see whe they look.
AB and shock prevent you from being able to see what the AI is doing. It can be hard to see, which is why they are looking for more examples of where this idea is coming from.
Maybe they don't always select JML (which they should rarely do since he can't gain the buff), but they definitely will often choose a character that can't gain the buff, can't assist, or both.
So is it random who gets called? Every board I've seen on discord says it always targets JML? They aren't replicating that when they face him on D?
I can tell you right now from those two videos that anyone that knows what they are doing will never see JML get to his ultimate on defense. If the AI isn't going to actively try to charget he ultimate by using the ability to call characters that can at least be buffed, it's never going to hold against anything with shock, BI or AB.
Efflux needs to be irresistible or something then, when either tenacity up or shock just stops him dead in his tracks, he is pretty useless. I guess he is a Kylo counter, which JKL already was.
I understand people are saying it, what we are looking for is why they are saying it, it's not shown to be the case in those videos.
No they are not seeing that when playing agaisnt him on D.
Did I say that?
If its random, its random, that is a different conversation. The point here was that it's not random, but favoring JML. One issue at a time.
I appreciate you looking in to it, if that's the case I trust you and it's actually more disheartening, just means he is easily manipulated by shock and tenacity up and realistically won't get his Ult up on defense ever.
That's basically what I just mirrored, the fact that it isn't an AI bug just means that he isn't that good on Defense and will never reliably get ult up.
Did I day that? Would you mind just answering yes or no, rather than just trying to twist this around.
I'll help, no I didnt.
Thank you.
Kyno, we do genuinely appreciate your efforts to help sort this out and act as a mediator between us and the devs.
They don't make font sizes big enough for that "IF". Honestly, if more people are unlocking JML than pursuing SEE, I fully expect CG to leave it and let JML be sub-par compared to other GLs. That would be consistent - not in terms of this case, but in terms of CG's manner of doing business.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
This is why you wait to invest. GML doesn't do anything more than standard JKR, JKL team does already and the fact that he pulls from that team just makes it even worse.
LS GLs getting the shaft again, SEE and Kylo are both better PVE and PVP.
After seeing GMLs kit I knew PVE would be bad again but I was hoping there would be Arena/ GAC use.
If he's just a Kylo counter on offense, you might as well just use the JKR JKL one with OB
As I said before - then CG needs to be careful about throwing around words like "PREEMINENT" in the kit description. Because, as you correctly point out, if he is no better than either of those two Jedi leads (or actually, worse) that's actually the opposite of "preeminent'.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
PVE was not bad before, so can’t be bad “again”, but also won’t be bad. He won’t do much in the Sith Raid again, but he’ll probably make another 4/4 LSTB team.
As for PVP... you won’t be setting him on defense anywhere, but he’ll beat everything on offense. It’s just lame that as the most resource intensive character in the game he can be beaten so easily by 2+ year old characters.
That was in no way stated or implied by what I said. Please stop trying to twist things. And please stay on the actual topic.
Pretty obviously a question mark at the end. If that's not what you meant try clarifying not lashing out
What in the world are you talking about? Just stop. Please.
CG is run by a Sith lord!!!!!