the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
But "F2P" is not the same as, "R2SC" (refuses to spend crystals). I know people that ended up getting a 6*, or 7* Leviathan without spending a dime. Spending 1000 crystals a month, your time to 7* is cut in half and you'd still get to enjoy a 7* Leviathan months before the next meta ship came out. You can't tell me that people can't manage to save 1k crystals a month without spending money.
F2P since the last time I bought Kyros, Crystals, or the Conquest Pass.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
I was defending CG on release date because I thought lets give them a minute to figure this out, but I'm disappointed that there is no update yet, a week later. I lost in GAC using 6* Levi vs. 4* Profun, which ****. I just hope they get the bugs figured out and its performance improves
I was defending CG on release date because I thought lets give them a minute to figure this out, but I'm disappointed that there is no update yet, a week later. I lost in GAC using 6* Levi vs. 4* Profun, which ****. I just hope they get the bugs figured out and its performance improves
I know @BubbaFett regularly climbs to 1st in arena with a 6* Levi and takes on 7* Profundities. Maybe he can DM you some tips.
I'm pretty disappointed that we haven't heard anything yet either. But I do know they're working on it. There are three fixes related to Leviathan showing up on the issue tracker that are set to "Ready to Release" status - so I know they're coming.
F2P since the last time I bought Kyros, Crystals, or the Conquest Pass.
Maybe I suck all of a sudden, but I just lost 3 times in a row against 7* Profundity with my 7* Levi, when I haven’t had issues in the past. They better be fixing it asap
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
temporary condition? we aren't talking about a marquee character here are we?
ftp takes years to get ex prof or lev up to 7*; mu 5* prof is highly usable while lev isn't.
and before you say something about really smart and contrarian about "not all toons or ships have the same viability at lower stars", this is a ship that required hundreds (maybe even thousand +) of signal data and tons of relic mats, even for seasoned players (i'm almost touch 11m gp).
but i'm out of touch for daring to think i should get some usage out of a non 7* ship?
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I am FTP and I got my Profundity to 5* when I unlocked her and to 7 next month. It is possible.
In general I would like to add, that at the moment we have 1 guy in our shard with Levi and his payout is like 12 hours before mine.
When I do my climb most of the time he still sits at #1 until I knock him down and after that he stays on that spot until his climbing time. Before he got knocked down a lot further with his Exe so doesn't seem too bad on defence.
Maybe I suck all of a sudden, but I just lost 3 times in a row against 7* Profundity with my 7* Levi, when I haven’t had issues in the past. They better be fixing it asap
I lost 3 times in a row yesterday against 7* Levi. 2 with triple attacker 7* executor and one with 6* Profundity (time out). And I don’t have issues before too.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
temporary condition? we aren't talking about a marquee character here are we?
ftp takes years to get ex prof or lev up to 7*; mu 5* prof is highly usable while lev isn't.
and before you say something about really smart and contrarian about "not all toons or ships have the same viability at lower stars", this is a ship that required hundreds (maybe even thousand +) of signal data and tons of relic mats, even for seasoned players (i'm almost touch 11m gp).
but i'm out of touch for daring to think i should get some usage out of a non 7* ship?
But you CAN get use out of it. Assuming for a second that beating Profundity isn't possible with a sub 7* Leviathan (it absolutely is, but for the sake of argument we'll say it's not) - You can absolutely beat Executor with it, so even with Prof off the table, you still have a fleet that disrupts the previous meta.
It doesn't take years to 7* as F2P. If you skip one caninta refresh, one fleet refresh, and one normal energy refresh a day for a month, that's 6k crystals or 70 blueprints. That's 4 months to get a 7* capital ship without spending any money. Double the number of refreshes you skip and you have a 7* Leviathan in 2 months. Sure, it slows down other progress and most people don't have the stomach for that, but that's the nature of "F2P".
Whether people like it or not 7* IS THE STANDARD - that's the yard stick - that's the metric by which units are judged. If CG had made this a 7* unlock we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But it's not - it's a 4* unlock and at 4* it still beats almost everything (if not actually everything). That's far from useless.
F2P since the last time I bought Kyros, Crystals, or the Conquest Pass.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Normally I don't do any refreshes in fleet arena, but for the first several days I was doing a refresh every day so that I could do 10 battles instead of 5. I watched a few youtube videos of people using leviathan but that really wasn't very helpful. What did help was getting in there and practicing and trying different things and figuring out when to use which abilities on what ship.
I crashed my head against mirror matches over and over again and got really frustrated because things just weren't 'clicking' for how to make it work. Eventually things started to fall into place and now mirrors are borderline easy - I keep winning even though I keep losing the coin toss. The same is true for profundity battles that I struggled with for the first couple of days, but now I get excited when I see a profundity because it's a really easy win. There's no substitute for experience - go do some battles when you're not trying to climb, expecting that you're going to lose. That takes the pressure off and lets you examine your options at every turn - make mental notes of what works and what doesn't work at various times during the fight.
I feel like people are upset that this doesn't just magically work (tbf, I was annoyed about that at first too). The fleet is good but it's not so good that you can hit auto and walk away without some time invested in learning how the fleet works. FWIW, there does come a time during any fight with Leviathan that you actually can hit auto and walk away - usually right after hitting ult the match is pretty much over. I'm in a spot now where I'm not getting knocked down very far on any given day so it usually takes me one or two battles to get back to #1 in FA - but having 2 or 3 more battles available after I hit #1 still gives me the opportunity to practice a few more times, so I do that. Soon, I won't bother, but for right now the practice is still valuable.
My point is, you don't have to wait for a youtube video and even if you did, chances are it wouldn't help that much because you don't know WHY certain abilities are being used when they're used. Nothing replaces experience, so go get some more of that - and give yourself a break if you don't win - just try to learn something from it. This fleet is really strong when it's used properly.
F2P since the last time I bought Kyros, Crystals, or the Conquest Pass.
I think people claiming Leviathan is bad are wrong. But I also think CG overhyped the ship.
At 7* (because I don't care about lower stars), I would say it's the best defensive fleet, even with the bugs. I don't think it's the best offensive ship, but I'll admit I haven't played with it much on offense because I couldn't hit Auto and walk away and haven't had the stomach to learn when I know bug fixes are coming.
Frankly, I'm glad it's not as OP as CG hyped it up to be, but we'll see if executes profoundly after the bugs are fixed.
I think people claiming Leviathan is bad are wrong. But I also think CG overhyped the ship.
At 7* (because I don't care about lower stars), I would say it's the best defensive fleet, even with the bugs. I don't think it's the best offensive ship, but I'll admit I haven't played with it much on offense because I couldn't hit Auto and walk away and haven't had the stomach to learn when I know bug fixes are coming.
Frankly, I'm glad it's not as OP as CG hyped it up to be, but we'll see if executes profoundly after the bugs are fixed.
I steam roll 7* Lev with Pro and only basic and never call in a reinforcement. I'd say that's not a good defensive ship.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
EDIT - this screenshot proves nothing because those could be Profundity wins for all we know and I don't care enough to continue the back and forth. What I really want is help with my Levi...
In my experience (25-30 tries) anything less than 7* Levi has approximately 25% chance to win vs triple attacker Executor.
1. If the opening salvo lands breach on your Sith bomber and IG hits twice on every assist - you will lose.
2. If they hit their contract before you get a turn - you will lose.
3. If Boba is the 1st reinforcement after the contract and/or before you can instakill HT - you will lose.
If none of those things happen you will win.
What am I missing or what can I do to make this a more effective counter?
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
This 100% proves my point. You can't show the evidence to back up what you and others keep saying. Show me Levi's less than 7* beating real 7* Executor lineups and Prof fleets like I keep hearing is happening. You showed me your arena history which proves absolutely nothing. I still finish 1st every day but that has absolutely nothing to do with Levi and everything to do with my other fleets.
I'm not fully convinced that a 5 or 6* Levi should beat triple attacker Executor (which you yourself said you hadn't fought/won against) but I'm also tired of people on here saying things are happening that for some odd reason can't be backed up with evidence.
That is my arena data showing me climbing to first with my 6* Leviathan as of the 20th when I got it..... I beat all manner of 7 star Exec and Prof to get there (it's a 5 1/2 year old shard).... What more would you like as proof?
I never said I wasn't beating 7 star Exec and prof, Quite the opposite....
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
This 100% proves my point. You can't show the evidence to back up what you and others keep saying. Show me Levi's less than 7* beating real 7* Executor lineups and Prof fleets like I keep hearing is happening. You showed me your arena history which proves absolutely nothing. I still finish 1st every day but that has absolutely nothing to do with Levi and everything to do with my other fleets.
I'm not fully convinced that a 5 or 6* Levi should beat triple attacker Executor (which you yourself said you hadn't fought/won against) but I'm also tired of people on here saying things are happening that for some odd reason can't be backed up with evidence.
That is my arena data showing me climbing to first with my 6* Leviathan as of the 20th when I got it..... I beat all manner of 7 star Exec and Prof to get there (it's a 5 1/2 year old shard).... What more would you like as proof?
I never said I wasn't beating 7 star Exec and prof, Quite the opposite....
Ok. Check out my arena history. You will note that I now finish #1 or close to it since CG released Captain Rex. Mine is still only 4* but I'm trashing Jabba's, LV's and proper JMK/CAT teams even with their datacrons. I can't use my datacrons yet because my Rex is only G12 but you can see how well it works by this image of my arena history. You believe me right? Even though I can't produce any other evidence?
I think people claiming Leviathan is bad are wrong. But I also think CG overhyped the ship.
At 7* (because I don't care about lower stars), I would say it's the best defensive fleet, even with the bugs. I don't think it's the best offensive ship, but I'll admit I haven't played with it much on offense because I couldn't hit Auto and walk away and haven't had the stomach to learn when I know bug fixes are coming.
Frankly, I'm glad it's not as OP as CG hyped it up to be, but we'll see if executes profoundly after the bugs are fixed.
I steam roll 7* Lev with Pro and only basic and never call in a reinforcement. I'd say that's not a good defensive ship.
I'm confused. How many counters does Profundity have? How many counters does Executor have? Is a ship only "good on defense" if it's not able to be countered?
EDIT - this screenshot proves nothing because those could be Profundity wins for all we know and I don't care enough to continue the back and forth. What I really want is help with my Levi...
In my experience (25-30 tries) anything less than 7* Levi has approximately 25% chance to win vs triple attacker Executor.
1. If the opening salvo lands breach on your Sith bomber and IG hits twice on every assist - you will lose.
2. If they hit their contract before you get a turn - you will lose.
3. If Boba is the 1st reinforcement after the contract and/or before you can instakill HT - you will lose.
If none of those things happen you will win.
What am I missing or what can I do to make this a more effective counter?
What's your starting lineup?
F2P since the last time I bought Kyros, Crystals, or the Conquest Pass.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
This 100% proves my point. You can't show the evidence to back up what you and others keep saying. Show me Levi's less than 7* beating real 7* Executor lineups and Prof fleets like I keep hearing is happening. You showed me your arena history which proves absolutely nothing. I still finish 1st every day but that has absolutely nothing to do with Levi and everything to do with my other fleets.
I'm not fully convinced that a 5 or 6* Levi should beat triple attacker Executor (which you yourself said you hadn't fought/won against) but I'm also tired of people on here saying things are happening that for some odd reason can't be backed up with evidence.
That is my arena data showing me climbing to first with my 6* Leviathan as of the 20th when I got it..... I beat all manner of 7 star Exec and Prof to get there (it's a 5 1/2 year old shard).... What more would you like as proof?
I never said I wasn't beating 7 star Exec and prof, Quite the opposite....
Ok. Check out my arena history. You will note that I now finish #1 or close to it since CG released Captain Rex. Mine is still only 4* but I'm trashing Jabba's, LV's and proper JMK/CAT teams even with their datacrons. I can't use my datacrons yet because my Rex is only G12 but you can see how well it works by this image of my arena history. You believe me right? Even though I can't produce any other evidence?
OK, this is the last time I am going to indulge this.... I showed you my arena climb to first that somehow "magically" started on the 20th when Levi became available and I got it at 6*... I showed you me in first place amongst 7 star Prof and Exec.... Now, here is a screenshot of my fleet... Notice how the GP of the fleet I am in first with matches the GP of my fleet?.....
Now, let me guess, you are going to tell me that I took first with Profundity and then switched my fleet out?.... Here is my .GG ..... Good luck finding my Prof (hint, it isn't there because I don't have it).... My next best fleet is a lowly 4 star Exec that certainly wasn't taking first in that shard and struggled to maintain top 30 as you can see by my history...
Now, are you actually interested in learning how to use your Leviathan or do you just want to keep demanding more proof? I am more than willing to help anyone struggling with strategy etc... This ship is nowhere as bad as folks are making it out to be, and if they say it is, then I suggest you demand some (any) proof from them...
I think people claiming Leviathan is bad are wrong. But I also think CG overhyped the ship.
At 7* (because I don't care about lower stars), I would say it's the best defensive fleet, even with the bugs. I don't think it's the best offensive ship, but I'll admit I haven't played with it much on offense because I couldn't hit Auto and walk away and haven't had the stomach to learn when I know bug fixes are coming.
Frankly, I'm glad it's not as OP as CG hyped it up to be, but we'll see if executes profoundly after the bugs are fixed.
I steam roll 7* Lev with Pro and only basic and never call in a reinforcement. I'd say that's not a good defensive ship.
I think people claiming Leviathan is bad are wrong. But I also think CG overhyped the ship.
At 7* (because I don't care about lower stars), I would say it's the best defensive fleet, even with the bugs. I don't think it's the best offensive ship, but I'll admit I haven't played with it much on offense because I couldn't hit Auto and walk away and haven't had the stomach to learn when I know bug fixes are coming.
Frankly, I'm glad it's not as OP as CG hyped it up to be, but we'll see if executes profoundly after the bugs are fixed.
I steam roll 7* Lev with Pro and only basic and never call in a reinforcement. I'd say that's not a good defensive ship.
I'm confused. How many counters does Profundity have? How many counters does Executor have? Is a ship only "good on defense" if it's not able to be countered?
EDIT - this screenshot proves nothing because those could be Profundity wins for all we know and I don't care enough to continue the back and forth. What I really want is help with my Levi...
In my experience (25-30 tries) anything less than 7* Levi has approximately 25% chance to win vs triple attacker Executor.
1. If the opening salvo lands breach on your Sith bomber and IG hits twice on every assist - you will lose.
2. If they hit their contract before you get a turn - you will lose.
3. If Boba is the 1st reinforcement after the contract and/or before you can instakill HT - you will lose.
If none of those things happen you will win.
What am I missing or what can I do to make this a more effective counter?
What's your starting lineup?
Ive tried several but I seem to have the best success with Bomber, Malgus, and Dorito. I call in Maul first for the protection and retribution on bomber. Then call in the instakill reinforcement.
I can't reliably handle the opening play if IG is in there so maybe my starting lineup is the problem.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
This 100% proves my point. You can't show the evidence to back up what you and others keep saying. Show me Levi's less than 7* beating real 7* Executor lineups and Prof fleets like I keep hearing is happening. You showed me your arena history which proves absolutely nothing. I still finish 1st every day but that has absolutely nothing to do with Levi and everything to do with my other fleets.
I'm not fully convinced that a 5 or 6* Levi should beat triple attacker Executor (which you yourself said you hadn't fought/won against) but I'm also tired of people on here saying things are happening that for some odd reason can't be backed up with evidence.
That is my arena data showing me climbing to first with my 6* Leviathan as of the 20th when I got it..... I beat all manner of 7 star Exec and Prof to get there (it's a 5 1/2 year old shard).... What more would you like as proof?
I never said I wasn't beating 7 star Exec and prof, Quite the opposite....
Ok. Check out my arena history. You will note that I now finish #1 or close to it since CG released Captain Rex. Mine is still only 4* but I'm trashing Jabba's, LV's and proper JMK/CAT teams even with their datacrons. I can't use my datacrons yet because my Rex is only G12 but you can see how well it works by this image of my arena history. You believe me right? Even though I can't produce any other evidence?
OK, this is the last time I am going to indulge this.... I showed you my arena climb to first that somehow "magically" started on the 20th when Levi became available and I got it at 6*... I showed you me in first place amongst 7 star Prof and Exec.... Now, here is a screenshot of my fleet... Notice how the GP of the fleet I am in first with matches the GP of my fleet?.....
Now, let me guess, you are going to tell me that I took first with Profundity and then switched my fleet out?.... Here is my .GG ..... Good luck finding my Prof (hint, it isn't there because I don't have it).... My next best fleet is a lowly 4 star Exec that certainly wasn't taking first in that shard and struggled to maintain top 30 as you can see by my history...
Now, are you actually interested in learning how to use your Leviathan or do you just want to keep demanding more proof? I am more than willing to help anyone struggling with strategy etc... This ship is nowhere as bad as folks are making it out to be, and if they say it is, then I suggest you demand some (any) proof from them...
Lets move forward.
For my part, I'm not frustrated that the ship is underperforming I'm frustrated that I can't seem to get the results that others are getting from a less than 7* Levi (mine in only 6*). My shard is filled with triple attacker Executors but I cannot figure out how to reliably beat them. I'm here because Im fully aware there are better players than me that know how to use this ship better.
I know radio silence is CG's thing and we got a post on release day that they're looking into the known bugs, but almost a week now and they still haven't added a comprehensive list of bugs (they could literally just watch Ahnaldt's video and recreate them to confirm), nor have we gotten an update on an expected fix/compensation.
I know it's against ToS to suggest the r word but people are going to get antsy if CG stays quiet on this mistake that many many players spent hundreds on.
Compensation on what? Also the Trello board has 3 bugs listed as Ready for Release, so they're clearly doing something.
Also, I still don't understand the issues on offense at 7*. I haven't lost yet.
Are you saying they have fixes ready for 3 bugs or they're ready to release 3 more bugs? Just asking for clarification as I will unlock the ship next month.
the problem with leviathan is that it's terrible at low stars and 7* it does just enough; it's a nice ship to have but considering chimera beats ex triple attacker, finalizer beats ex w/ bossk, and tarkin beats profundity...those are 3 fleets with 0 overlap. they all do what lev does without the massive relic investment (plus $$ or crystals to 7* the ship, as it's unusable at low stars).
Why does everyone keep going on about low star viability? Low stars are a temporary condition. Who cares how it performs at low stars, and why should there be any expectation that ANY unit is going to perform well before it's fully upgraded? Some units work well at low stars, others don't. No one cares about it after they get to 7*, which everyone will do eventually.
P.s. The whole concept "customer shouldnt be upset if they got a bad product, it is customers fault for buying it after all, so customer should be happy and smiling" seems a little bit wrong to me
Who's happy about it though? No one is happy about the bugs - no one is defending the bugs - but we also shouldn't be making any assumptions about Leviathans strength as a fleet until the bugs are fixed. We just don't have a good enough picture to know. Should we? Yes. But we don't. People are saying "be patient" because we really don't have a choice. Throwing venom and vitriol at CG on the forums isn't going to fix anything any faster - it just gives anyone reading a false impression about the strength of the fleet.
What we do know is that even with the bugs, it's still doing it's job and I'll echo StarSons earlier statement in saying that I haven't fallen out of the top 10 in fleet arena in the past week. That's really unusual in my shard. So you all keep not using Leviathan, or hold your position of not farming it. Please. That gives me and all the other early adopters a huge advantage in both GAC and fleet arena.
As I keep using Leviathan, I keep getting better at using Leviathan. Mirrors are even getting easier and I'm nearly ready to back away from my initial impression that all mirrors are simple coin-flips. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm really starting to feel that when all the bugs get fixed, this fleet is absolutely going to be a force to be reckoned with.
F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
This 100% proves my point. You can't show the evidence to back up what you and others keep saying. Show me Levi's less than 7* beating real 7* Executor lineups and Prof fleets like I keep hearing is happening. You showed me your arena history which proves absolutely nothing. I still finish 1st every day but that has absolutely nothing to do with Levi and everything to do with my other fleets.
I'm not fully convinced that a 5 or 6* Levi should beat triple attacker Executor (which you yourself said you hadn't fought/won against) but I'm also tired of people on here saying things are happening that for some odd reason can't be backed up with evidence.
That is my arena data showing me climbing to first with my 6* Leviathan as of the 20th when I got it..... I beat all manner of 7 star Exec and Prof to get there (it's a 5 1/2 year old shard).... What more would you like as proof?
I never said I wasn't beating 7 star Exec and prof, Quite the opposite....
Ok. Check out my arena history. You will note that I now finish #1 or close to it since CG released Captain Rex. Mine is still only 4* but I'm trashing Jabba's, LV's and proper JMK/CAT teams even with their datacrons. I can't use my datacrons yet because my Rex is only G12 but you can see how well it works by this image of my arena history. You believe me right? Even though I can't produce any other evidence?
OK, this is the last time I am going to indulge this.... I showed you my arena climb to first that somehow "magically" started on the 20th when Levi became available and I got it at 6*... I showed you me in first place amongst 7 star Prof and Exec.... Now, here is a screenshot of my fleet... Notice how the GP of the fleet I am in first with matches the GP of my fleet?.....
Now, let me guess, you are going to tell me that I took first with Profundity and then switched my fleet out?.... Here is my .GG ..... Good luck finding my Prof (hint, it isn't there because I don't have it).... My next best fleet is a lowly 4 star Exec that certainly wasn't taking first in that shard and struggled to maintain top 30 as you can see by my history...
Now, are you actually interested in learning how to use your Leviathan or do you just want to keep demanding more proof? I am more than willing to help anyone struggling with strategy etc... This ship is nowhere as bad as folks are making it out to be, and if they say it is, then I suggest you demand some (any) proof from them...
Lets move forward.
For my part, I'm not frustrated that the ship is underperforming I'm frustrated that I can't seem to get the results that others are getting from a less than 7* Levi (mine in only 6*). My shard is filled with triple attacker Executors but I cannot figure out how to reliably beat them. I'm here because Im fully aware there are better players than me that know how to use this ship better.
OK, what are the relic levels on your pilots, specifically Marauder, Malgus and Assassin?
In your triple attacker battles, does HT come out as the first reinforcement?
I know radio silence is CG's thing and we got a post on release day that they're looking into the known bugs, but almost a week now and they still haven't added a comprehensive list of bugs (they could literally just watch Ahnaldt's video and recreate them to confirm), nor have we gotten an update on an expected fix/compensation.
I know it's against ToS to suggest the r word but people are going to get antsy if CG stays quiet on this mistake that many many players spent hundreds on.
Compensation on what? Also the Trello board has 3 bugs listed as Ready for Release, so they're clearly doing something.
Also, I still don't understand the issues on offense at 7*. I haven't lost yet.
Are you saying they have fixes ready for 3 bugs or they're ready to release 3 more bugs? Just asking for clarification as I will unlock the ship next month.
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F2P cares about low star viability. If Levi is not viable below 7 stars due to sabotage ultimate not being available, it is a big deal for F2P. It takes more than 1.5 years to 7 star a capital ship without spending crystals. In 1.5 years, a new meta capital ship would have come and F2P would have never realised full potential of Leviathan.
But "F2P" is not the same as, "R2SC" (refuses to spend crystals). I know people that ended up getting a 6*, or 7* Leviathan without spending a dime. Spending 1000 crystals a month, your time to 7* is cut in half and you'd still get to enjoy a 7* Leviathan months before the next meta ship came out. You can't tell me that people can't manage to save 1k crystals a month without spending money.
I got mine to 6 star without spending a dime and I will be using all of my juicy fleet winnings to get it 7 stars on the 20th when it returns, also without spending a dime...
Funny thing about being F2P is you can't expect to have the latest and greatest maxed out when it arrives.. If it was that easy nobody would spend anything and the game wouldn't be here....
I know @BubbaFett regularly climbs to 1st in arena with a 6* Levi and takes on 7* Profundities. Maybe he can DM you some tips.
I'm pretty disappointed that we haven't heard anything yet either. But I do know they're working on it. There are three fixes related to Leviathan showing up on the issue tracker that are set to "Ready to Release" status - so I know they're coming.
wow great perspective thanks for the comment; which GL can you unlock at 4* again?
ex and prof both had functionality at lower stars, my prof is still 5* and i unlocked second go around i think.
temporary condition? we aren't talking about a marquee character here are we?
ftp takes years to get ex prof or lev up to 7*; mu 5* prof is highly usable while lev isn't.
and before you say something about really smart and contrarian about "not all toons or ships have the same viability at lower stars", this is a ship that required hundreds (maybe even thousand +) of signal data and tons of relic mats, even for seasoned players (i'm almost touch 11m gp).
but i'm out of touch for daring to think i should get some usage out of a non 7* ship?
having it maxed out isn't the point, the point is the precedent was set with ex and prof that there could be usage as lower stars.
it's also ridiculous that i have a tarkin tier ship at low stars for the relic/signal data investment required
nvm i can beat prof with tarkin.
Who says there isn't usage at lower stars?.... Do you actually own the ship?
Folks have been on here telling everyone how it needs to be 7 stars to beat Prof and yet somehow every day since I got mine on the 20th I have taken first in fleet arena amongst a sea of 7 star ex and Prof.... Either they don't own it or don't know how to use it ....
I really wish these forums would make a link to each users profile mandatory, it would really help cut down on the rumors and flatten the wheels on the negativity bandwagon....
I am FTP and I got my Profundity to 5* when I unlocked her and to 7 next month. It is possible.
In general I would like to add, that at the moment we have 1 guy in our shard with Levi and his payout is like 12 hours before mine.
When I do my climb most of the time he still sits at #1 until I knock him down and after that he stays on that spot until his climbing time. Before he got knocked down a lot further with his Exe so doesn't seem too bad on defence.
Your wish goes both ways. I wish every person on here saying they destroy 7* Exectuors with 4* Levis and obliterate 7* Profundity with 5* Levis would actually prove it.
I can't find any videos of 4* or 5* Levi's beating Executor and I can't find anything other than 7* Levi's beating triple attacker Exectuors but I keep seeing 2-3 people on here saying it. I've asked several times for someone to tell me how their 6* Levi is reliably winning vs triple attacker Executor (mine is not which is why I've been asking for someone to show me so I can do what they're doing). So far nothing.
Stop telling me Levi can do these things and show me.
But you CAN get use out of it. Assuming for a second that beating Profundity isn't possible with a sub 7* Leviathan (it absolutely is, but for the sake of argument we'll say it's not) - You can absolutely beat Executor with it, so even with Prof off the table, you still have a fleet that disrupts the previous meta.
It doesn't take years to 7* as F2P. If you skip one caninta refresh, one fleet refresh, and one normal energy refresh a day for a month, that's 6k crystals or 70 blueprints. That's 4 months to get a 7* capital ship without spending any money. Double the number of refreshes you skip and you have a 7* Leviathan in 2 months. Sure, it slows down other progress and most people don't have the stomach for that, but that's the nature of "F2P".
Whether people like it or not 7* IS THE STANDARD - that's the yard stick - that's the metric by which units are judged. If CG had made this a 7* unlock we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But it's not - it's a 4* unlock and at 4* it still beats almost everything (if not actually everything). That's far from useless.
Firstly, I am not saying that a 4* Levi should destroy 7* Ex and Prof... Far from it... I don't buy into this hype that a precedent was set just because a previous unit was able to do something at lower star levels... That being said, I stand by my statement that a 6* absolutely can destroy all of the other fleets (7* Prof end Exec)... Ironically, the only fleet I have troubles beating at 7 stars is another Levi...
Normally I don't do any refreshes in fleet arena, but for the first several days I was doing a refresh every day so that I could do 10 battles instead of 5. I watched a few youtube videos of people using leviathan but that really wasn't very helpful. What did help was getting in there and practicing and trying different things and figuring out when to use which abilities on what ship.
I crashed my head against mirror matches over and over again and got really frustrated because things just weren't 'clicking' for how to make it work. Eventually things started to fall into place and now mirrors are borderline easy - I keep winning even though I keep losing the coin toss. The same is true for profundity battles that I struggled with for the first couple of days, but now I get excited when I see a profundity because it's a really easy win. There's no substitute for experience - go do some battles when you're not trying to climb, expecting that you're going to lose. That takes the pressure off and lets you examine your options at every turn - make mental notes of what works and what doesn't work at various times during the fight.
I feel like people are upset that this doesn't just magically work (tbf, I was annoyed about that at first too). The fleet is good but it's not so good that you can hit auto and walk away without some time invested in learning how the fleet works. FWIW, there does come a time during any fight with Leviathan that you actually can hit auto and walk away - usually right after hitting ult the match is pretty much over. I'm in a spot now where I'm not getting knocked down very far on any given day so it usually takes me one or two battles to get back to #1 in FA - but having 2 or 3 more battles available after I hit #1 still gives me the opportunity to practice a few more times, so I do that. Soon, I won't bother, but for right now the practice is still valuable.
My point is, you don't have to wait for a youtube video and even if you did, chances are it wouldn't help that much because you don't know WHY certain abilities are being used when they're used. Nothing replaces experience, so go get some more of that - and give yourself a break if you don't win - just try to learn something from it. This fleet is really strong when it's used properly.
At 7* (because I don't care about lower stars), I would say it's the best defensive fleet, even with the bugs. I don't think it's the best offensive ship, but I'll admit I haven't played with it much on offense because I couldn't hit Auto and walk away and haven't had the stomach to learn when I know bug fixes are coming.
Frankly, I'm glad it's not as OP as CG hyped it up to be, but we'll see if executes profoundly after the bugs are fixed.
I steam roll 7* Lev with Pro and only basic and never call in a reinforcement. I'd say that's not a good defensive ship.
EDIT - this screenshot proves nothing because those could be Profundity wins for all we know and I don't care enough to continue the back and forth. What I really want is help with my Levi...
In my experience (25-30 tries) anything less than 7* Levi has approximately 25% chance to win vs triple attacker Executor.
1. If the opening salvo lands breach on your Sith bomber and IG hits twice on every assist - you will lose.
2. If they hit their contract before you get a turn - you will lose.
3. If Boba is the 1st reinforcement after the contract and/or before you can instakill HT - you will lose.
If none of those things happen you will win.
What am I missing or what can I do to make this a more effective counter?
That is my arena data showing me climbing to first with my 6* Leviathan as of the 20th when I got it..... I beat all manner of 7 star Exec and Prof to get there (it's a 5 1/2 year old shard).... What more would you like as proof?
I never said I wasn't beating 7 star Exec and prof, Quite the opposite....
Ok. Check out my arena history. You will note that I now finish #1 or close to it since CG released Captain Rex. Mine is still only 4* but I'm trashing Jabba's, LV's and proper JMK/CAT teams even with their datacrons. I can't use my datacrons yet because my Rex is only G12 but you can see how well it works by this image of my arena history. You believe me right? Even though I can't produce any other evidence?
I'm confused. How many counters does Profundity have? How many counters does Executor have? Is a ship only "good on defense" if it's not able to be countered?
What's your starting lineup?
OK, this is the last time I am going to indulge this.... I showed you my arena climb to first that somehow "magically" started on the 20th when Levi became available and I got it at 6*... I showed you me in first place amongst 7 star Prof and Exec.... Now, here is a screenshot of my fleet... Notice how the GP of the fleet I am in first with matches the GP of my fleet?.....
Now, let me guess, you are going to tell me that I took first with Profundity and then switched my fleet out?.... Here is my .GG ..... Good luck finding my Prof (hint, it isn't there because I don't have it).... My next best fleet is a lowly 4 star Exec that certainly wasn't taking first in that shard and struggled to maintain top 30 as you can see by my history...
https://swgoh.gg/p/163141938/
Now, are you actually interested in learning how to use your Leviathan or do you just want to keep demanding more proof? I am more than willing to help anyone struggling with strategy etc... This ship is nowhere as bad as folks are making it out to be, and if they say it is, then I suggest you demand some (any) proof from them...
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Ive tried several but I seem to have the best success with Bomber, Malgus, and Dorito. I call in Maul first for the protection and retribution on bomber. Then call in the instakill reinforcement.
I can't reliably handle the opening play if IG is in there so maybe my starting lineup is the problem.
Lets move forward.
For my part, I'm not frustrated that the ship is underperforming I'm frustrated that I can't seem to get the results that others are getting from a less than 7* Levi (mine in only 6*). My shard is filled with triple attacker Executors but I cannot figure out how to reliably beat them. I'm here because Im fully aware there are better players than me that know how to use this ship better.
Are you saying they have fixes ready for 3 bugs or they're ready to release 3 more bugs? Just asking for clarification as I will unlock the ship next month.
OK, what are the relic levels on your pilots, specifically Marauder, Malgus and Assassin?
In your triple attacker battles, does HT come out as the first reinforcement?
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