Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
"The Empire won't stop until we make them " - Cpt. Drogan, Bitter Pill Company
Chimera still works fine. Do wish they’d made the mirror less miserable though.
Yeah I think they should fix mirrors. For previous metas it was quite possible to beat faster capital ship using simple tips.
The difference here is there are two coin flips now. If you lose the capital ship coin flip, you still win almost all of the time if your Sass wins the next coin flip (or is faster than the enemy Sass, or if Sass is not present on the enemy team). If both your Levi and your Sass go 2nd, you have maybe a 20% chance of winning.
Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
I just lost 5 battles against one with a fully maxed Prof. Either your shard mates made lots of refreshes, they were lucky or I was unlucky... But I know that already many Prof players struggle so if it is working, then very unreliable and nothing you can use for actually climbing.
Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
I just lost 5 battles against one with a fully maxed Prof. Either your shard mates made lots of refreshes, they were lucky or I was unlucky... But I know that already many Prof players struggle so if it is working, then very unreliable and nothing you can use for actually climbing.
Yeah, it is still possible, but it's not reliable at all and you need insane rng to make it happen. So unless there's some unique lineup/strategy I don't know of, then it's definitely not viable for fleet arena climbing.
I’m 4/4 vs 7* Levi with Sith Fighter since figuring out the strategy adjustments. Prof will be fine to climb with just need to not immediately panic the first 24 hours of a balance change and adjust. It will be sketchier verse Dagger I think, but still winnable.
Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
I just lost 5 battles against one with a fully maxed Prof. Either your shard mates made lots of refreshes, they were lucky or I was unlucky... But I know that already many Prof players struggle so if it is working, then very unreliable and nothing you can use for actually climbing.
Yeah, it is still possible, but it's not reliable at all and you need insane rng to make it happen. So unless there's some unique lineup/strategy I don't know of, then it's definitely not viable for fleet arena climbing.
I’m 4/4 vs 7* Levi with Sith Fighter since figuring out the strategy adjustments. Prof will be fine to climb with just need to not immediately panic the first 24 hours of a balance change and adjust. It will be sketchier verse Dagger I think, but still winnable.
Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
I just lost 5 battles against one with a fully maxed Prof. Either your shard mates made lots of refreshes, they were lucky or I was unlucky... But I know that already many Prof players struggle so if it is working, then very unreliable and nothing you can use for actually climbing.
Yeah, it is still possible, but it's not reliable at all and you need insane rng to make it happen. So unless there's some unique lineup/strategy I don't know of, then it's definitely not viable for fleet arena climbing.
I would ask to share your strategy, but then someone would probably call for another nerf/boost.
I’m 4/4 vs 7* Levi with Sith Fighter since figuring out the strategy adjustments. Prof will be fine to climb with just need to not immediately panic the first 24 hours of a balance change and adjust. It will be sketchier verse Dagger I think, but still winnable.
Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
I just lost 5 battles against one with a fully maxed Prof. Either your shard mates made lots of refreshes, they were lucky or I was unlucky... But I know that already many Prof players struggle so if it is working, then very unreliable and nothing you can use for actually climbing.
Yeah, it is still possible, but it's not reliable at all and you need insane rng to make it happen. So unless there's some unique lineup/strategy I don't know of, then it's definitely not viable for fleet arena climbing.
I would ask to share your strategy, but then someone would probably call for another nerf/boost.
I’m 4/4 vs 7* Levi with Sith Fighter since figuring out the strategy adjustments. Prof will be fine to climb with just need to not immediately panic the first 24 hours of a balance change and adjust. It will be sketchier verse Dagger I think, but still winnable.
Well, there was the buff.
I doubt Prof will have any reliability as a counter from here on out.
Still not a fan of the coin toss mechanics for mirrors. I know there are approaches that can put the win rate very high, but imo not as reliable as past mirrors.
Well, lots of princesses wanted to have their unbeatable ship, eventhough it was mentioned that the meta then would be only mirror with coin toss, now they have it. Hope they are happy
That isn't how it works, I can tell you Prof still beats it.
How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
I just lost 5 battles against one with a fully maxed Prof. Either your shard mates made lots of refreshes, they were lucky or I was unlucky... But I know that already many Prof players struggle so if it is working, then very unreliable and nothing you can use for actually climbing.
Yeah, it is still possible, but it's not reliable at all and you need insane rng to make it happen. So unless there's some unique lineup/strategy I don't know of, then it's definitely not viable for fleet arena climbing.
I would ask to share your strategy, but then someone would probably call for another nerf/boost.
Brilliant!
Of course now the complaints will be pro can win with only 1 reinforcement
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
Account started June 2020. 100% FTP. 8.2m GP. JMK, JML, SLKR, and SEE. Exe and Levi. Ally code 117-269-921. Swgoh.gg
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible. kyber1 and 2 ain't like 4 - when you reach them, you'll see how such mistakes (if not bad rng) are drastically reduced - your opponent is much weaker than you with the fleets anyway - when you all have the same - then you'll see, which works better and where
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
Account started June 2020. 100% FTP. 8.2m GP. JMK, JML, SLKR, and SEE. Exe and Levi. Ally code 117-269-921. Swgoh.gg
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
we can leave the contexts and private cases for other places - when someone enters to read here, he is interested in ship's performance overall - at least in my humble opinion. when you kicked a chained dog much weaker than you - it's not a proper example and when someone leaves all his counters in defense or doesn't know how to play with them (if bad rng is excluded) - it's also not a proper example. if you attack me - you won't even reach the fleets - i'll win automatically - hope you understand me
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
we can leave the contexts and private cases for other places - when someone enters to read here, he is interested in ship's performance overall - at least in my humble opinion. when you kicked a chained dog much weaker than you - it's not a proper example and when someone leaves all his counters in defense or doesn't know how to play with them (if bad rng is excluded) - it's also not a proper example
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
we can leave the contexts and private cases for other places - when someone enters to read here, he is interested in ship's performance overall - at least in my humble opinion. when you kicked a chained dog much weaker than you - it's not a proper example and when someone leaves all his counters in defense or doesn't know how to play with them (if bad rng is excluded) - it's also not a proper example. if you attack me - you won't even reach the fleets - i'll win automatically - hope you understand me
I understand perfectly. You made a statement, putting Levi on defence isn’t smart, I showed it to be demonstrably untrue. Context matters.
This is part of its performance overall (you may wish to refresh your definition of overall).
Account started June 2020. 100% FTP. 8.2m GP. JMK, JML, SLKR, and SEE. Exe and Levi. Ally code 117-269-921. Swgoh.gg
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
we can leave the contexts and private cases for other places - when someone enters to read here, he is interested in ship's performance overall - at least in my humble opinion. when you kicked a chained dog much weaker than you - it's not a proper example and when someone leaves all his counters in defense or doesn't know how to play with them (if bad rng is excluded) - it's also not a proper example
and not everyone has all the ships or enough of them, or powerful enough, or the counters etc. - this (as i said) is a private case - you can't defeat profi as well, neither exe, if you don't have counters - hope you'll understand what i mean too
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
we can leave the contexts and private cases for other places - when someone enters to read here, he is interested in ship's performance overall - at least in my humble opinion. when you kicked a chained dog much weaker than you - it's not a proper example and when someone leaves all his counters in defense or doesn't know how to play with them (if bad rng is excluded) - it's also not a proper example
and not everyone has all the ships or enough of them, or powerful enough, or the counters etc. - this (as i said) is a private case - you can't defeat profi as well, neither exe, if you don't have counters - hope you'll understand what i mean too
It really isn’t a private case, I made it pretty public.
Account started June 2020. 100% FTP. 8.2m GP. JMK, JML, SLKR, and SEE. Exe and Levi. Ally code 117-269-921. Swgoh.gg
So the performance of the ship based on its stats don’t matter, and individual examples of it winning matches don’t matter? Compelling case for why no one should put it on defense mate.
In fact, since unlock i have put it on defence and won twice, that’s 2/2. With it on offence I have won three times out of five, that’s 3/5. Seems to be performing better for me on defence than offence so far. A few more public examples.
Account started June 2020. 100% FTP. 8.2m GP. JMK, JML, SLKR, and SEE. Exe and Levi. Ally code 117-269-921. Swgoh.gg
i remember there was a statistics guy showing us how strong and META this ship is - is he still here to show us some statistics?? pity - many people realized fast enough it's not smart to put it in GAC defense
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
we can leave the contexts and private cases for other places - when someone enters to read here, he is interested in ship's performance overall - at least in my humble opinion. when you kicked a chained dog much weaker than you - it's not a proper example and when someone leaves all his counters in defense or doesn't know how to play with them (if bad rng is excluded) - it's also not a proper example. if you attack me - you won't even reach the fleets - i'll win automatically - hope you understand me
To be fair we may not really see the impact of the buff this GAC. The isolate in particular requires a 7* Levi, and the proportion of those in the total Levi pool will vary over time.
Account started June 2020. 100% FTP. 8.2m GP. JMK, JML, SLKR, and SEE. Exe and Levi. Ally code 117-269-921. Swgoh.gg
To be fair we may not really see the impact of the buff this GAC. The isolate in particular requires a 7* Levi, and the proportion of those in the total Levi pool will vary over time.
Honestly I don't think the numbers will change much.
In fact, since unlock i have put it on defence and won twice, that’s 2/2. With it on offence I have won three times out of five, that’s 3/5. Seems to be performing better for me on defence than offence so far. A few more public examples.
Way too small a sample size and ignores way too many variables to draw any conclusions from.
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How reliable? 7 star Levi?
1 out of 5?
The way I see it is that either Y-wing will be isolated, which means Outrider will be gone pretty fast or if Outrider gets isolated, it's over.
The crits were also an important part to get to Ultimate.
I can't say for certain to be honest, I am the 7 star Levi owner but I do know the guy that gets payout before uses Prof and he beat out a 7 star Levi to get there and t gheuy that takes over payout after me beat out my 7 star Levi with Prof.
The difference here is there are two coin flips now. If you lose the capital ship coin flip, you still win almost all of the time if your Sass wins the next coin flip (or is faster than the enemy Sass, or if Sass is not present on the enemy team). If both your Levi and your Sass go 2nd, you have maybe a 20% chance of winning.
People should learn what cancer actually is.
I just lost 5 battles against one with a fully maxed Prof. Either your shard mates made lots of refreshes, they were lucky or I was unlucky... But I know that already many Prof players struggle so if it is working, then very unreliable and nothing you can use for actually climbing.
Yeah, it is still possible, but it's not reliable at all and you need insane rng to make it happen. So unless there's some unique lineup/strategy I don't know of, then it's definitely not viable for fleet arena climbing.
I would ask to share your strategy, but then someone would probably call for another nerf/boost.
Brilliant!
Of course now the complaints will be pro can win with only 1 reinforcement
Except when it literally wins the match for you because despite being underpowered on squads they can’t break your fleets…. like for me in the match yesterday.
Context is important
oh - shait can always happen - i remember i lost one because of kenobi, one because of profi etc. - bad rng you know - my aim is to reduce the rng dependency as much as possible. kyber1 and 2 ain't like 4 - when you reach them, you'll see how such mistakes (if not bad rng) are drastically reduced - your opponent is much weaker than you with the fleets anyway - when you all have the same - then you'll see, which works better and where
There was no RNG to this. They had no good counter, so in this case Levi on defence (almost) automatically earned me the win. Stating that Levi on defence is a bad idea is wrong without its context.
we can leave the contexts and private cases for other places - when someone enters to read here, he is interested in ship's performance overall - at least in my humble opinion. when you kicked a chained dog much weaker than you - it's not a proper example and when someone leaves all his counters in defense or doesn't know how to play with them (if bad rng is excluded) - it's also not a proper example. if you attack me - you won't even reach the fleets - i'll win automatically - hope you understand me
I understand perfectly. You made a statement, putting Levi on defence isn’t smart, I showed it to be demonstrably untrue. Context matters.
This is part of its performance overall (you may wish to refresh your definition of overall).
and not everyone has all the ships or enough of them, or powerful enough, or the counters etc. - this (as i said) is a private case - you can't defeat profi as well, neither exe, if you don't have counters - hope you'll understand what i mean too
It really isn’t a private case, I made it pretty public.
https://swgoh.gg/p/117269921/gac-history/?gac=153&r=3
In fact, since unlock i have put it on defence and won twice, that’s 2/2. With it on offence I have won three times out of five, that’s 3/5. Seems to be performing better for me on defence than offence so far. A few more public examples.
Seems to be doing about the same as the others
Honestly I don't think the numbers will change much.
Way too small a sample size and ignores way too many variables to draw any conclusions from.