To Anyone Who Hates Midichlorians...

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 7:43PM

It demonstrates an age at which the Jedi were at their lowest. They began to question the true nature of The Force, and instead focused more on a scientific approach.

It's an extra layer in showing us why the Jedi had lost their way, and why The Force would allow for so many to die in Order 66.

Maljr1980 · January 24, 2017 7:57PM

Or the producers needed something better than look how good of a pod racer anakin is, to explain to the masses why he was so special

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 8:00PM

Maljr1980 wrote: »

Or the producers needed something better than look how good of a pod racer anakin is, to explain to the masses why he was so special

That's a possibility

DatBoi · January 24, 2017 8:00PM

Qui gon learned how to preserve his life force by manipulating his midichlorians. Would the Force "let" him do that if he didnt have a pure understanding of the Force? Midichlorians are not some secretly profound layer of story. Its just garbage writing.

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 8:01PM

DatBoi wrote: »

Qui gon learned how to preserve his life force by manipulating his midichlorians. Would the Force "let" him do that if he didnt have a pure understanding of the Force? Midichlorians are not some secretly profound layer of story. Its just garbage writing.

Want to hear garbage writing? May I direct you to TFA where the magic of the force got ruined by a Mary Sue!

Maljr1980 · January 24, 2017 8:03PM

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Qui gon learned how to preserve his life force by manipulating his midichlorians. Would the Force "let" him do that if he didnt have a pure understanding of the Force? Midichlorians are not some secretly profound layer of story. Its just garbage writing.

Want to hear garbage writing? May I direct you to TFA where the magic of the force got ruined by a Mary Sue!

Maybe Luke should have stated at the end of the movie "I felt an unusually high amount of midichlorians."

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 8:06PM

Maljr1980 wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Qui gon learned how to preserve his life force by manipulating his midichlorians. Would the Force "let" him do that if he didnt have a pure understanding of the Force? Midichlorians are not some secretly profound layer of story. Its just garbage writing.

Want to hear garbage writing? May I direct you to TFA where the magic of the force got ruined by a Mary Sue!

Maybe Luke should have stated at the end of the movie "I felt an unusually high amount of midichlorians."

Even Mark Hamil was disappointed in TFA, glad you brought Luke up!

DatBoi · January 24, 2017 8:09PM

how is the force "ruined" in TFA?

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 8:13PM

DatBoi wrote: »

how is the force "ruined" in TFA?

The fact that Rey used a ton of force tricks that took a LONG time to learn and required lots of discipline. You can't use a mind trick straight away! That took Yoda years to master!

Don't get me started on how she read Kylo's mind and force grabbed the lightsaber over Kylo, you know Kylo? The student of Grand Master Luke?

Maljr1980 · January 24, 2017 8:23PM

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

how is the force "ruined" in TFA?

The fact that Rey used a ton of force tricks that took a LONG time to learn and required lots of discipline. You can't use a mind trick straight away! That took Yoda years to master!

Don't get me started on how she read Kylo's mind and force grabbed the lightsaber over Kylo, you know Kylo? The student of Grand Master Luke?

This

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 8:30PM

Maljr1980 wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

how is the force "ruined" in TFA?

The fact that Rey used a ton of force tricks that took a LONG time to learn and required lots of discipline. You can't use a mind trick straight away! That took Yoda years to master!

Don't get me started on how she read Kylo's mind and force grabbed the lightsaber over Kylo, you know Kylo? The student of Grand Master Luke?

This

Thanks. I think we can all agree the originals handled the topic of the force the best.

Mischen1 · January 24, 2017 8:37PM

So, if she's Luke's daughter, then there would be no explanation right? Or if her last name is Bridger. Hmmm

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 8:42PM

Mischen1 wrote: »

So, if she's Luke's daughter, then there would be no explanation right? Or if her last name is Bridger. Hmmm

I doubt she's Luke's daughter as Luke's reaction would be much different at the end. Plus, Disney can't be that predictable, right?

DatBoi · January 24, 2017 9:36PM

I hope she can just be her own person. Enough of the fan service

Maljr1980 · January 24, 2017 9:57PM

I hope Luke takes the light saber, strikes her down, revealing himself to be the new Sith Lord

ObviouslyNot · January 24, 2017 9:59PM

DatBoi wrote: »

I hope she can just be her own person. Enough of the fan service

Its not exactly fan service. Its a trilogy of trilogies called the Skywalker saga. People are going to be connected because it follows one single family. Not saying Rey is Luke's daughter, because honestly I don't want that either, just tired of people saying this trilogy needs to "have all new characters not connected past movies"

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 10:12PM

Maljr1980 wrote: »

I hope Luke takes the light saber, strikes her down, revealing himself to be the new Sith Lord

Same

Supercat · January 24, 2017 10:52PM

The reason you give makes me remember all the Creationist vs Evolutionist stuff.
Is Lucas a christian?

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 24, 2017 10:56PM

Supercat wrote: »

The reason you give makes me remember all the Creationist vs Evolutionist stuff.
Is Lucas a christian?

Who cares if he is? As long as he's satisfied with his own beliefs, I am too.

SnakesOnAPlane · January 26, 2017 8:29PM

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 26, 2017 9:21PM

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

SnakesOnAPlane · January 26, 2017 9:42PM

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

The mind is a powerful thing. She's trying to remember, but it's being blocked. For all we know, that's Ole Ben dropping her off to Luke.

Maljr1980 · January 26, 2017 10:16PM

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

The mind is a powerful thing. She's trying to remember, but it's being blocked. For all we know, that's Ole Ben dropping her off to Luke.

How can old Ben drop her off when he is dead

Sticare_Courts_0073 · January 26, 2017 10:24PM

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

The mind is a powerful thing. She's trying to remember, but it's being blocked. For all we know, that's Ole Ben dropping her off to Luke.

I will get up and leave the movie theater if this turns out to be the **** explanation of Rey's Mary Sue-ness.

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 26, 2017 11:29PM

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

The mind is a powerful thing. She's trying to remember, but it's being blocked. For all we know, that's Ole Ben dropping her off to Luke.

Ben's dead

Mullato · January 26, 2017 11:30PM

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

Was it ever said that her parents dumped her? I think that's an assumption. For all we know she could of been born and raised on jakku. If you look at what she's wearing it seems like the basic dirty wardrobe everyone on jakku wears.

Maybe she had already been an orphan, raised by a random scavenger and sold to plutt for a ship. She thinks that's her family leaving because that's all she ever knew.

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 26, 2017 11:58PM

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

Was it ever said that her parents dumped her? I think that's an assumption. For all we know she could of been born and raised on jakku. If you look at what she's wearing it seems like the basic dirty wardrobe everyone on jakku wears.

Maybe she had already been an orphan, raised by a random scavenger and sold to plutt for a ship. She thinks that's her family leaving because that's all she ever knew.

Isn't that an assumption itself? Kind of hypocritical.

Mullato · January 27, 2017 12:02AM

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

Was it ever said that her parents dumped her? I think that's an assumption. For all we know she could of been born and raised on jakku. If you look at what she's wearing it seems like the basic dirty wardrobe everyone on jakku wears.

Maybe she had already been an orphan, raised by a random scavenger and sold to plutt for a ship. She thinks that's her family leaving because that's all she ever knew.

Isn't that an assumption itself? Kind of hypocritical.

Exactly, that's why I said "for all we know".

When it comes down to it, there is more evidence for her already being on jakku than "getting dumped there"

3Cheers4Tyranny · January 27, 2017 12:04AM

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

Was it ever said that her parents dumped her? I think that's an assumption. For all we know she could of been born and raised on jakku. If you look at what she's wearing it seems like the basic dirty wardrobe everyone on jakku wears.

Maybe she had already been an orphan, raised by a random scavenger and sold to plutt for a ship. She thinks that's her family leaving because that's all she ever knew.

Isn't that an assumption itself? Kind of hypocritical.

Exactly, that's why I said "for all we know".

When it comes down to it, there is more evidence for her already being on jakku than "getting dumped there"

My bad. Even if she was trained and mind-wiped, how could she use the force better than Anakin (the chosen one)?

Mullato · January 27, 2017 12:13AM

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

Was it ever said that her parents dumped her? I think that's an assumption. For all we know she could of been born and raised on jakku. If you look at what she's wearing it seems like the basic dirty wardrobe everyone on jakku wears.

Maybe she had already been an orphan, raised by a random scavenger and sold to plutt for a ship. She thinks that's her family leaving because that's all she ever knew.

Isn't that an assumption itself? Kind of hypocritical.

Exactly, that's why I said "for all we know".

When it comes down to it, there is more evidence for her already being on jakku than "getting dumped there"

My bad. Even if she was trained and mind-wiped, how could she use the force better than Anakin (the chosen one)?

My theory is she is naturally gifted in the force (maybe the next chosen one like Ani, but I'm not going there). And basically when Kylo tried to tap into her mind, and she unknowingly tapped into his also it created a force connection. I think her probing his mind is where she picked up on force techniques so quickly. Also it seems like she can only go into these Mary Sue force techniques when Kylo is near.

Everytime she distinctly uses the force
- probing Kylo's mind
- mind trick on the trooper fails the first time, BUT it works the second time when it shows a quick scene of Kylo getting close to the room she's in
- pulling the saber out of the snow beside kylo
- fighting kylo

Idk what is up with those 2, but all of the scenes with them just scream there is something more.

Sticare_Courts_0073 · January 27, 2017 12:38AM

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

Mullato wrote: »

3Cheers4Tyranny wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

For all we know, Rey was trained already, but had her mind wiped, then was hid. There's really no backstory to her growing up, yet.

If her mind was wiped, how did she remember her parents dumping her at a young age? If she didn't remember and her mind was wiped, she wouldn't remember how to use the force better than Yoda. I think she's just a Mary Sue, no more, no less.

Was it ever said that her parents dumped her? I think that's an assumption. For all we know she could of been born and raised on jakku. If you look at what she's wearing it seems like the basic dirty wardrobe everyone on jakku wears.

Maybe she had already been an orphan, raised by a random scavenger and sold to plutt for a ship. She thinks that's her family leaving because that's all she ever knew.

Isn't that an assumption itself? Kind of hypocritical.

Exactly, that's why I said "for all we know".

When it comes down to it, there is more evidence for her already being on jakku than "getting dumped there"

My bad. Even if she was trained and mind-wiped, how could she use the force better than Anakin (the chosen one)?

My theory is she is naturally gifted in the force (maybe the next chosen one like Ani, but I'm not going there). And basically when Kylo tried to tap into her mind, and she unknowingly tapped into his also it created a force connection. I think her probing his mind is where she picked up on force techniques so quickly. Also it seems like she can only go into these Mary Sue force techniques when Kylo is near.

Everytime she distinctly uses the force
- probing Kylo's mind
- mind trick on the trooper fails the first time, BUT it works the second time when it shows a quick scene of Kylo getting close to the room she's in
- pulling the saber out of the snow beside kylo
- fighting kylo

Idk what is up with those 2, but all of the scenes with them just scream there is something more.

Wow, this blew my mind, especially the highlighted part. Didn't notice that before.

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