Lol if you spent thousands on this game and still can't get top rewards even with this strategy available there is something really wrong with the way you play and spent that money. It's one phase so it dies nothing to let ftp take top rewards over guys who have huge rosters.
Thanks guys for getting on this right away. You are protecting those of us whom have spent thousands on building specific HAAT teams to earn top tier rewards. Thanks for doing the right thing this time!
Thousands? Dude, get a life. That's really sad....
yup, so sad... honestly, i wouldn't want to cross paths w/ this player. you know those people in the movies who would burn their own grandmothers, if not their own mothers, to get whatever they want? i think i just saw where they got the concept...
Maybe thousands are no big deal to that dude. Spenders large and small keep the servers up and the devs building new content. They are the reason we have a game to play.
As are ftp players, you know, the player base that gives the whales ( the minority ) a reason to spend
Whales shouldn't even be able to compete with ftp players or players who've spent less than $100 on this game. Put them all on a different server.
I don't agree with this at all but if some clever person finds a way for ftp to compete with those whales in 1 or 2 phases of 1 raid, on the cheap, doesn't mean devs should be able to change mechanics just so that's not possible. This is not a bug.
People always come back to the argument "whales keep the game going" that's half true. They do.
F2p players also help keep the game going. When you rate a game who would you think the majority of players are rating? I'd say out of 100k positive reviews there isn't that many all spending money. The Majority would be free to play. Thus giving the game a good review means it'll attract new players.
Stop getting butt hurt. So what. You spent hundreds or thousands of dollars to lvl up some digital characters (which btw you'll have absolutely nothing to show for when they shut down their servers) and now someone was able to find a way using the tools provide by the devs to do some of it in a fashion that helps many other players and guilds? Without the need to spend money.
Give me a break. If this bothers people, then that's pretty sad. Guess the saying is true, money really doesn't buy happiness
Also a nice post.
"Whales keep this game alive." - Lol.
Would you like to see how 'alive' this game will be when all the F2Ps leave?
Just as the title suggests, this is aimed at the developers and this thread will most likely get taken down but it still needs to be said. Why is this Nute Jawa squad getting "fixed" this quickly when all of those abilities have been in the game for months. We all know it's a nerf at this point and there is absolutely no reason to nerf them. The mechanic isn't breaking anything, it's WAI based on what the description says it will do, and you are being petty because somebody yesterday figured out a way to use the mechanics you made for this game to play the game. Somebody figured out that Nute can make Jawas deal a lot of damage to only half of the Tank Raid, and they are already being nerfed because you failed to stress test every character in this game in every part of this game. This is unwarranted and unprecedented. There is no reason to do so and we all know it. If you are nerfing Nute and the Jawas then you better nerf Teebo in the Rancor Raid. You better nerf Zylo in the tank raid and you better start nerfing these squads the can solo entire phases of both raids because it is unfair to nerf one and none of the others. This "unintended behavior" is also applicable to so many other squads so you've got a lot of nerve to pull this so fast. At least you didn't wait until people farmed them up to nerf them, so thank you for that at least. Get to nerfing guys.
You can put the games key game mode on auto and solo it, of course they were not going to let that fly.
For 2 out of 4 of the raid phases and even then you have to rely on RNG to get results. Plus to top it all off, nothing about what they could do was broken or mislabeled like Zarris and Zader, it was WAI but the devs didn't like how well it was working so they decided to nerf the already terrible toon back into the graveyard.
You could Solo a whole phase of the games key mode with the game on auto. We all know that's not WAI.
So Teebo isn't WAI then? That's been around for about a year now right. He's able to solo **** near the entire raid, and now that Jyn is available, the Rancor Raid is 100% able to be fully autoed. This latest "fix" stopped people from being able to do only 2 of the 4 phases of the raid, and not even the hardest phases of the raid either.
You couldn't put Teebo on auto.
What are you going to do if this stays as is? You'll put it on auto and go back to having nothing to play but a few arena battles and Galactic war. Look at the big picture. If you want the game to still exist they have to have is actively playing it.
I still have to worry about the hardest half the raid you ****. How is that so lost with you. This was an option to beat the two easiest phases of the raid. You still have to worry about GG in phase 1, and the army of Droids in phase 3. They changed it for absolutely no reason. And yes Teebo can still auto the Rancor raid, and with Bistan and Jyn the Rancor will never have a turn with Teebo
Name calling? Classy.
We all know this isn't WAI.
Who is "we" here? Nearly 80% of the playerbase voted and said that they didn't need a nerf. You are in the minority here by a lot. It was working as intended because they were the ones that changed the ability in the first place to give 50% TM. They knew that it would do that when they released R2 but they didn't do a thing about it until Fugo discovered it and went public with the info.
Just because you want it doesn't mean it's WAI. We all knew as soon as the video came out that this wasn't going to last.
If you care about having new content in this game 6 months from now this has to be fixed.
As an aside, I didn't realize you speak for 80% of the player base.
Who do you think you are? If you can speak for all of "we" I can certainly speak for the 80% of the playerbase that share my view. You're starting to go off on a tangent here with the 6 months garbage, so let's try and stick to the topic, ok buddy. I didn't want Nute because he wasn't up long enough for me to be able to want him. From the videos I watched it was 100% WAI and the devs were the ones who changed his leader ability in the first place so of course it was WAI, they made it that way.
You watched that video and thought "wow that's cool, the devs definitely aren't going to nerf this"?
No because I actually realized what the guy did and looked into it. Funny thing when you realize how game mechanics work like that. Also no because they re made Nute's leader ability when they released R2 so they knew full and well what it would do on the tank raid, and they had plenty of time to have at least one beta tester use this leader ability in the Tank raid
Being a software tester is tough. It's easy to miss one edge case like using Nute and 2 random Jawas in the tank raid.
They can't give us all cheat codes to the tank raid. It was cool to see it happen and kudos to the guy who figured it out.
It's not software testing. This could have been completely avoided it they just told one of their workers to use a Nute Lead in every part of the game and to try out different squad comps. They would have had a head start on Lugo and would have been able to "fix" it before Lugo ever even thought about looking for it.
If you've done any software development you would know that what you're saying is much more time consuming than it seems.
It's not like most of you caught and and used this tactic.. had it not been for the video most of guy wouldn't farm nute.. it does suck for the guys that were actually using it... lesson?.. don't show off stuff on here
For the record: What people choose to spend their money on is entirely their own choice. Some can think spending $10000s on a car is ridiculous, as is buying an expensive home, watch, jewelry, song, game or the like. Spend money on the things you enjoy. Life is short.
However, creative and clever players being punished for their innovations? Disagree.
Oh please...sure money can buy the best teams but obviously money doesn't buy brains. It took a very clever and creative gamer to come up with this "trash squad". If you have that much money to throw away, how exactly does this effect YOUR gaming experience? You're still probably getting the best rewards, right? You must be ranking top 5 in arena, right? But this ruffles your feathers because someone got creative and didn't spend a ton of cash on this squad? What exactly does this hurt: your ego?
Good post.
You're right...people can choose to spend their money how they want. I can also call them out for how they spend. Too much stuff in this world today that goes unnoticed because we're all afraid to tell the truth or accept others ignorance.
@CG_Kozispoon , Just read your post about unintended behavior. The words that caught my attention are "work together as a guild to overcome normally insurmountable odds". If that is the intended behavior, then it is pretty clear that Nute, a zeta'd Cody and zKylo and the new 'expose' are among toons / actions that are not behaving as you have intended in the raid. These can do large amounts of damage in phases.. above normal limits and circumvent the 'work together as a guild' statement.
I truly hope that your concern is over the function of the raid, not the fact that another team, that is easy to farm for a F2P player, is highly viable for the HAAT raid. And if your concern is over function and intended behavior, then I hope you look at all teams that can do damage large amounts of damage and prevent the entire guild from working together.
If you do the math behind the process, it is still highly RNG dependent (depending on base assumptions of damage, the chance that you solo a raid is 0.15%) because Datcha will come out of stealth at some point (there is about a 2.6% chance of that, which over the number of attacks you need to do, provides the near certainty stealth will break several times). It takes a lot of work to set up the team right in HAAT. It's certainly harder than using zKylo to solo P1.
All I am saying is that if this is considered an issue then other teams and methods that produce 'significant damage' should be treated the same.
First of all false dichotomy.
Second, if you care about them being able to build us new content, this has to be fixed.
Maybe I'm dense. Please explain how this is a false dichotomy. Kozi clearly said, "...this most recent discovery disrupts our intent for the Tank Takedown Raid, which is to work together as a guild to overcome normally insurmountable foes."
The same argument can be made! Currently, 1 player can easily take out P1, and 2 players can easily take out P2 or P4 with Clones, and we even have a full solo of P4 now. EA/CG needs to really think hard about changing Nutinni, especially for credibilities sake.
Hiya Holotable Heroes!
Recently, a way to do significant damage to the AAT in phases 2 and 4 of the Tank Takedown raid have been discovered in the community. While we always enjoy seeing different strategies formed by Players to use in the raids, this most recent discovery disrupts our intent for the Tank Takedown Raid, which is to work together as a guild to overcome normally insurmountable foes.
We will be looking into this issue further this week and will announce any changes we plan to make. Cheers!
Just as the title suggests, this is aimed at the developers and this thread will most likely get taken down but it still needs to be said. Why is this Nute Jawa squad getting "fixed" this quickly when all of those abilities have been in the game for months. We all know it's a nerf at this point and there is absolutely no reason to nerf them. The mechanic isn't breaking anything, it's WAI based on what the description says it will do, and you are being petty because somebody yesterday figured out a way to use the mechanics you made for this game to play the game. Somebody figured out that Nute can make Jawas deal a lot of damage to only half of the Tank Raid, and they are already being nerfed because you failed to stress test every character in this game in every part of this game. This is unwarranted and unprecedented. There is no reason to do so and we all know it. If you are nerfing Nute and the Jawas then you better nerf Teebo in the Rancor Raid. You better nerf Zylo in the tank raid and you better start nerfing these squads the can solo entire phases of both raids because it is unfair to nerf one and none of the others. This "unintended behavior" is also applicable to so many other squads so you've got a lot of nerve to pull this so fast. At least you didn't wait until people farmed them up to nerf them, so thank you for that at least. Get to nerfing guys.
You can put the games key game mode on auto and solo it, of course they were not going to let that fly.
For 2 out of 4 of the raid phases and even then you have to rely on RNG to get results. Plus to top it all off, nothing about what they could do was broken or mislabeled like Zarris and Zader, it was WAI but the devs didn't like how well it was working so they decided to nerf the already terrible toon back into the graveyard.
You could Solo a whole phase of the games key mode with the game on auto. We all know that's not WAI.
So Teebo isn't WAI then? That's been around for about a year now right. He's able to solo **** near the entire raid, and now that Jyn is available, the Rancor Raid is 100% able to be fully autoed. This latest "fix" stopped people from being able to do only 2 of the 4 phases of the raid, and not even the hardest phases of the raid either.
You couldn't put Teebo on auto.
What are you going to do if this stays as is? You'll put it on auto and go back to having nothing to play but a few arena battles and Galactic war. Look at the big picture. If you want the game to still exist they have to have is actively playing it.
I still have to worry about the hardest half the raid you ****. How is that so lost with you. This was an option to beat the two easiest phases of the raid. You still have to worry about GG in phase 1, and the army of Droids in phase 3. They changed it for absolutely no reason. And yes Teebo can still auto the Rancor raid, and with Bistan and Jyn the Rancor will never have a turn with Teebo
Name calling? Classy.
We all know this isn't WAI.
Who is "we" here? Nearly 80% of the playerbase voted and said that they didn't need a nerf. You are in the minority here by a lot. It was working as intended because they were the ones that changed the ability in the first place to give 50% TM. They knew that it would do that when they released R2 but they didn't do a thing about it until Fugo discovered it and went public with the info.
Just because you want it doesn't mean it's WAI. We all knew as soon as the video came out that this wasn't going to last.
If you care about having new content in this game 6 months from now this has to be fixed.
As an aside, I didn't realize you speak for 80% of the player base.
Who do you think you are? If you can speak for all of "we" I can certainly speak for the 80% of the playerbase that share my view. You're starting to go off on a tangent here with the 6 months garbage, so let's try and stick to the topic, ok buddy. I didn't want Nute because he wasn't up long enough for me to be able to want him. From the videos I watched it was 100% WAI and the devs were the ones who changed his leader ability in the first place so of course it was WAI, they made it that way.
You watched that video and thought "wow that's cool, the devs definitely aren't going to nerf this"?
No because I actually realized what the guy did and looked into it. Funny thing when you realize how game mechanics work like that. Also no because they re made Nute's leader ability when they released R2 so they knew full and well what it would do on the tank raid, and they had plenty of time to have at least one beta tester use this leader ability in the Tank raid
Being a software tester is tough. It's easy to miss one edge case like using Nute and 2 random Jawas in the tank raid.
They can't give us all cheat codes to the tank raid. It was cool to see it happen and kudos to the guy who figured it out.
It's not software testing. This could have been completely avoided it they just told one of their workers to use a Nute Lead in every part of the game and to try out different squad comps. They would have had a head start on Lugo and would have been able to "fix" it before Lugo ever even thought about looking for it.
If you've done any software development you would know that what you're saying is much more time consuming than it seems.
EA makes $316,000 a day. You're telling me that they couldn't hire a team of beta testers to stress test this 1 leader ability with squad comps in the amount of time between Nute's leader update and now? Hell I could have done that for a grilled cheese a coke.
For the record: What people choose to spend their money on is entirely their own choice. Some can think spending $10000s on a car is ridiculous, as is buying an expensive home, watch, jewelry, song, game or the like. Spend money on the things you enjoy. Life is short.
However, creative and clever players being punished for their innovations? Disagree.
Oh please...sure money can buy the best teams but obviously money doesn't buy brains. It took a very clever and creative gamer to come up with this "trash squad". If you have that much money to throw away, how exactly does this effect YOUR gaming experience? You're still probably getting the best rewards, right? You must be ranking top 5 in arena, right? But this ruffles your feathers because someone got creative and didn't spend a ton of cash on this squad? What exactly does this hurt: your ego?
Good post.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
#CloneHelmets4Life...VICTORY!!!! "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." The more you tighten your grip, CG/EA, the more whales will slip through your fingers (and go F2P or quit).
I love the guys who talk p2p. I am p2p and could careless about this. I already have GK7* so who cares. It didn't take a lot of resources to get a resistance team, clones or Rogue One Squad (should have ranked higher in tournaments). Also Zylo, umm another easy farm. Yet no one is crying about it.
I would assume most people don't have Nute because why would you unless you have played for a long time.
The sad thing, like most of these fixes I'll get to see the pro-nerf guys crying when the "fix" jacks up the rest of the raid.
These toons are working as they were created. Nute has been tweaked before.
Whales should be crying about, lack of content. Ships has a 10% addition to the game which is obviously incomplete and more boring than simming my daily challenges. Because there isn't any content. Yet, I will get more toons to do nothing with. That's what p2p players should be more annoyed with.
Like I said in another thread I only spent 800 arena credits and I'm annoyed. I feel for players that went all in on this totally legit strategy that unlike zader doesn't use a bug exploit.
Well. Now I remember why I left the forums.. see y'all later. You guys are ridiculous. All I was trying to do was thank EA and y'all went nuts...
If all you were trying to do is thank EA, then you need to work on your wording. What you thought was "Thanks EA", came out "I have more money than you, so I'm better than you".
#CloneHelmets4Life...VICTORY!!!! "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." The more you tighten your grip, CG/EA, the more whales will slip through your fingers (and go F2P or quit).
Lol if you spent thousands on this game and still can't get top rewards even with this strategy available there is something really wrong with the way you play and spent that money. It's one phase so it dies nothing to let ftp take top rewards over guys who have huge rosters.
Who ever claimed to stop getting top rewards? I didn't. I can go mindless Nute team myself and still stay right with everyone else. It's the principle
Thanks guys for getting on this right away. You are protecting those of us whom have spent thousands on building specific HAAT teams to earn top tier rewards. Thanks for doing the right thing this time!
Another who cannot read... where did I say I was not getting top rewards?? I was thanking EA for protecting and honoring what many have worked hard at.
Well if you are still getting top rewards, why do you need to be protected. Saying you need to be protected to still get top rewards implies you won't be able to keep the top spots.
If I see one more **** attacking a Jedi with a blaster pistol, then I'll kill them myself!
This is a civil war case between P2P vs F2P and corporate ideals will obviously choose the shareholders over the mere peasants.
I'm glad he found an awesome combination to take on the tank mechanics. I agree that it's WAI and it's a shame there a load of players that have invested a large sum of resources to a dead toon given new life. I can't say much, I personally never chase any new hype team for reasons like this, but I speak up for my friends and mates that just got slapped in the face. As if gear wasn't already a difficult grind for an F2P/ minimalist spender over the cartel of
Well put, im in the unique boat of being right there with you, as well as being a spender in this game. As soon as I heard about Nute I headed here and that's when the Fire Nation of EA attacked Lugo's squad.
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I don't agree with this at all but if some clever person finds a way for ftp to compete with those whales in 1 or 2 phases of 1 raid, on the cheap, doesn't mean devs should be able to change mechanics just so that's not possible. This is not a bug.
After pre-crafting, mod-gate, and the ongoing Zader fix, was there much credibility and respect left?
"Whales keep this game alive." - Lol.
Would you like to see how 'alive' this game will be when all the F2Ps leave?
If you've done any software development you would know that what you're saying is much more time consuming than it seems.
as an algorithm specialist link future raids to number of turns taken by player NOT by the raid, you'll find it works
You're right...people can choose to spend their money how they want. I can also call them out for how they spend. Too much stuff in this world today that goes unnoticed because we're all afraid to tell the truth or accept others ignorance.
Yeah $uch a $hame that thi$ i$$ue i$ a priority for the dev$
Make Zader Great Again!
The post title is.
While I agree, it's a Sunday evening. Let's see how much it builds once more people see it. I for one, have my popcorn ready.
You are so right it hurts
EA makes $316,000 a day. You're telling me that they couldn't hire a team of beta testers to stress test this 1 leader ability with squad comps in the amount of time between Nute's leader update and now? Hell I could have done that for a grilled cheese a coke.
Lmao you should have seen something like this coming though
Couldn't have said it better myself.
If CG paid 1 tester it would be better than what they have now
Make Zader Great Again!
I would assume most people don't have Nute because why would you unless you have played for a long time.
The sad thing, like most of these fixes I'll get to see the pro-nerf guys crying when the "fix" jacks up the rest of the raid.
These toons are working as they were created. Nute has been tweaked before.
Whales should be crying about, lack of content. Ships has a 10% addition to the game which is obviously incomplete and more boring than simming my daily challenges. Because there isn't any content. Yet, I will get more toons to do nothing with. That's what p2p players should be more annoyed with.
If all you were trying to do is thank EA, then you need to work on your wording. What you thought was "Thanks EA", came out "I have more money than you, so I'm better than you".
Well if you are still getting top rewards, why do you need to be protected. Saying you need to be protected to still get top rewards implies you won't be able to keep the top spots.
Well put, im in the unique boat of being right there with you, as well as being a spender in this game. As soon as I heard about Nute I headed here and that's when the Fire Nation of EA attacked Lugo's squad.
Feel free to delete this post when you want to. I apologize for inciting a riot .