You're just proving my point of using data to misdirect.
Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
You're just proving my point of using data to misdirect.
Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, chosing to mention the data that fits my argument. https://swgoh.gg/u/leef/ I don't have any guildmates on my leaderboard though
First 3 are LS except for Nihilus. 4 is the Zaul meta.5 - 8 are Chaze based squads, overall still very LS. 9 is another Zaul meta setup. 10 is some mix of the toons used among ranks 1 - 9.
I dont know hwo SWGOH calculates these figures. But I can see that in the Top 10 the most used squads rely on Rex, GK, R2, Nihilus and Chaze. Which is very LS.
I dont have a problem with this situation. But I think that numbers can be very misleading.
You're just proving my point of using data to misdirect.
Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, chosing to mention the data that fits my argument. https://swgoh.gg/u/leef/ I don't have any guildmates on my leaderboard though
Nah, you're just salty over those old threads which is funny to me, seeing how everyday you try to play devil's advocate to try and get a shot in. Unfortunately, this works against you because your knowledge of game balance and metric readings are clearly limited. You don't get to throw data around like that with these things, even if your feelings say otherwise.
I highly recommend you take a look at some of these articles and others like it to educate yourself in how game balance should work, regardless of business assets:
First 3 are LS except for Nihilus. 4 is the Zaul meta.5 - 8 are Chaze based squads, overall still very LS. 9 is another Zaul meta setup. 10 is some mix of the toons used among ranks 1 - 9.
I dont know hwo SWGOH calculates these figures. But I can see that in the Top 10 the most used squads rely on Rex, GK, R2, Nihilus and Chaze. Which is very LS.
I dont have a problem with this situation. But I think that numbers can be very misleading.
Check out the articles I linked. The numbers should be read with that in mind.
Check out the articles I linked. The numbers should be read with that in mind.
I did but honestly dont really understand yet.
To make it easier, take a look at this part, which can be similarly gauged for the top 1 / 10 in this game.
2) Professional Play
To properly gauge a champion's strength in terms of balance you need an even playing field. Outside pro-level play the skill of the player can be a match's downfall as much as the champion. Pro-level play is the closest one can get to an even playing field between champions and thus the best way to analyze where the balance of the system itself stands.
This is not to say balancing for lower levels doesn't happen, but it happens much less because it is difficult to cater to certain skill levels without adversely affecting everyone else.
This doesn't invalidate your opinion in any way, but I hope this help explain why a champion's impact in professional play draws out balance changes faster than in normal games.
You're just proving my point of using data to misdirect.
Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, chosing to mention the data that fits my argument. https://swgoh.gg/u/leef/ I don't have any guildmates on my leaderboard though
Nah, you're just salty over those old threads which is funny to me, seeing how everyday you try to play devil's advocate to try and get a shot in. Unfortunately, this works against you because your knowledge of game balance and metric readings are clearly limited. You don't get to throw data around like that with these things, even if your feelings say otherwise.
I highly recommend you take a look at some of these articles and others like it to educate yourself in how game balance should work, regardless of business assets:
dissappointed i didn't use chaze right ?
As for the other stuff, i'm not going to read stuff about LoL. I haven't played that game. It seems very different than swgoh though. Maybe keep that in mind when you're preaching balance.
You're just proving my point of using data to misdirect.
Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, chosing to mention the data that fits my argument. https://swgoh.gg/u/leef/ I don't have any guildmates on my leaderboard though
Nah, you're just salty over those old threads which is funny to me, seeing how everyday you try to play devil's advocate to try and get a shot in. Unfortunately, this works against you because your knowledge of game balance and metric readings are clearly limited. You don't get to throw data around like that with these things, even if your feelings say otherwise.
I highly recommend you take a look at some of these articles and others like it to educate yourself in how game balance should work, regardless of business assets:
You still use Rex, one of the game's current plagues and one of the reasons Tenacity Up is even being talked about to nerf. It's OK, I use DN because of it, like many others.
As for the other stuff, i'm not going to read stuff about LoL. I haven't played that game. It seems very different than swgoh though. Maybe keep that in mind when you're preaching balance.
Of course you're not going to read, because as I pointed out, you haven't a clue about game balance and you don't want to develop any knowledge toward it, which is baffling.
You probably haven't played many games either, period.
Things aren't that different from balance perspectives. You can keep running from that all you want, or, maybe, educate yourself and provide beneficial discussion on game balance instead of pathetic, underhand jabs.
Check out the articles I linked. The numbers should be read with that in mind.
I did but honestly dont really understand yet.
To make it easier, take a look at this part, which can be similarly gauged for the top 1 / 10 in this game.
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Well, maybe I understand this better now. At least this is a new perspective. But since I do not have high end toons and still have a long way to go I cannot really say what level of skill is required to win with any of the squads from the Top 10. With my own arena team I see that i am not able to stay in the top 50 because I lose more often while others gain ranks with their newer and better composed squads.
Check out the articles I linked. The numbers should be read with that in mind.
I did but honestly dont really understand yet.
To make it easier, take a look at this part, which can be similarly gauged for the top 1 / 10 in this game.
.....
Well, maybe I understand this better now. At least this is a new perspective. But since I do not have high end toons and still have a long way to go I cannot really say what level of skill is required to win with any of the squads from the Top 10. With my own arena team I see that i am not able to stay in the top 50 because I lose more often while others gain ranks with their newer and better composed squads.
What you using? What level are you? What are you fighting?
You're just proving my point of using data to misdirect.
Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, chosing to mention the data that fits my argument. https://swgoh.gg/u/leef/ I don't have any guildmates on my leaderboard though
Nah, you're just salty over those old threads which is funny to me, seeing how everyday you try to play devil's advocate to try and get a shot in. Unfortunately, this works against you because your knowledge of game balance and metric readings are clearly limited. You don't get to throw data around like that with these things, even if your feelings say otherwise.
I highly recommend you take a look at some of these articles and others like it to educate yourself in how game balance should work, regardless of business assets:
You still use Rex, one of the game's current plagues and one of the reasons Tenacity Up is even being talked about to nerf. It's OK, I use DN because of it, like many others.
As for the other stuff, i'm not going to read stuff about LoL. I haven't played that game. It seems very different than swgoh though. Maybe keep that in mind when you're preaching balance.
Of course you're not going to read, because as I pointed out, you haven't a clue about game balance and you don't want to develop any knowledge toward it, which is baffling.
You probably haven't played many games either, period.
Things aren't that different from balance perspectives. You can keep running from that all you want, or, maybe, educate yourself and provide beneficial discussion on game balance instead of pathetic, underhand jabs.
yet i'm the only one out of the two of us who recognizes what kind of game he's playing.
I think you're grossly overestimating yourself, i could be wrong. Maybe you're right, and you know how to run a game better than the devs, you would have made players happier and made more money in the process. But since you're commenting on a forum, arguing how balance should be, i highly doubt that is actually the case
But what do i know? i probably haven't played many games period and i'm unwilling to educate myself. That's probably why i only resort to pathetic underhand jabs. Wait, isn't that an underhanded jab in itself?
You're just proving my point of using data to misdirect.
Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, chosing to mention the data that fits my argument. https://swgoh.gg/u/leef/ I don't have any guildmates on my leaderboard though
Nah, you're just salty over those old threads which is funny to me, seeing how everyday you try to play devil's advocate to try and get a shot in. Unfortunately, this works against you because your knowledge of game balance and metric readings are clearly limited. You don't get to throw data around like that with these things, even if your feelings say otherwise.
I highly recommend you take a look at some of these articles and others like it to educate yourself in how game balance should work, regardless of business assets:
You still use Rex, one of the game's current plagues and one of the reasons Tenacity Up is even being talked about to nerf. It's OK, I use DN because of it, like many others.
As for the other stuff, i'm not going to read stuff about LoL. I haven't played that game. It seems very different than swgoh though. Maybe keep that in mind when you're preaching balance.
Of course you're not going to read, because as I pointed out, you haven't a clue about game balance and you don't want to develop any knowledge toward it, which is baffling.
You probably haven't played many games either, period.
Things aren't that different from balance perspectives. You can keep running from that all you want, or, maybe, educate yourself and provide beneficial discussion on game balance instead of pathetic, underhand jabs.
They could keep it as is, but just add aoe cleanse to the best toons in the game - like tenacity is currently - and watch cleanse teams die fast. Triple debuff - Imagine if EP's zeta does enemy buff removal + buff block, new thrawn also has aoe buff removal - one an aoe and one a specific target that also inflicts buff block for 3 rounds ... and run that with DT...add in a zDV zeta on a unique that any time he attacks a rebel he removes a buff and bam....quadruple debuff!!!. Oh...and the debuffs they inflict check AFTER the buff / ten up removal. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
No just No Tan up should be kept as is the Dark side of the Force already clouds the arena too much and has ruled the arena since almost forever please just let the good guys have there turn for once.
I take it you've never fought a Rebel squad before
Yes I have fought lots of rebel squads but all you have to do is go to SWGOH.gg and look at the top 100 meta report to see that the dark side dominates and has since forever.
Yea because you are looking at the number one player in every shard only. come on I looked at the top 100 and said so. The thing about the number one players are that 90% are whales slash dolphins so not an accurate depiction of true viability because up there there is very little variation while in the top 100 you have to work against more different squads and you see a combo of what is moderately easy to gear and what is viable at lower star lvls if that is what they have assess to. Nihlius is way too easy to gear for how powerful he is same with EP and same with Kylo. while on the other hand the good light side characters are crazy hard to gear. GK is one of if not THE HARDEST CHARACTER IN THE GAME TO GEAR AND EXTREMELY HARD TO GET IN THE FIRST PLACE both Chirrut and Baze are VERY difficult to gear and star R2-D2 IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO GEAR AND SEMI DIFFICULT TO STAR as you really need 5, 7 star gear 11 empire characters to get him. Rex is also very high on gear Requirements and takes a good while to star. Nihilus the only charater in the game with an insta kill and he is crazy tanky was given to everyone at 3* were he is ultra viable. EP is much easier than R2 to get I unlocked him with Akbar lead Leia Lando STH and biggs all at gear 9 or lower. Kylo is also ultra easy to farm. my point is the good good guy characters are hard to get while the supper OP/Supper powerful bad guys are there for the taking. So if you were to change the Tan up it would only plunge the Meta back to the dark side nexus that we have only begun to clime out of. So just Shut up and Let the Good guys beat the bad guys like they are supposed to and stop acting so Evil loving.
You are so out of touch with reality I have to wonder if you're being serious or trolling.
From the jump, this game at lower tiers gives you easy access to rebel characters. EP requires rebels and to get him, so naturally, most jump on the Wiggs / Lando / Boba bandwagon in lower tiers. From there, they'd invest into Chaze and very few trot into DS. With the exception of DN, who's practically needed due to the overabundance of Chaze, DS is generally lacking.
The very last part of your post shows an obvious bias.
Yes there are numbers of rebel characters that are easily available at the beginning of the game to all players but these are the weaker rebels not the Powerful ones. the Powerful Rebels are only available in the late game. My point in preferring the top 100 was not well stated and I apologize for that. If you have Taken any Science classes you may remember that the lager a sample size the more accurate the data tends to be. also the top 100 shows more of where the Meta was while the Top 1 or top 10 tend to show what the next meta may be. I completely concede that Caze Rex triple cleanse is currently meta. But the reason it is meta is because of the overwhelming use of Debuffs by the dark side that has ruled the meta for the last 6 months at least. (the dark side meta stared to die with R2) However my argument has been the whole time that the Dark side ruled the arena (and most other parts of the game for that mater too) for a long time and if you weaken Tan UP it will only make that happen again.
The very last part of your post shows an obvious bias.
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Duuu everyone is biased there is no such thing as an unbiased opinion on Earth and If you want to know how light side biased I am go look up my F2P roster on SWGOH.gg My name is "Fives@MRB"
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
Duuu everyone is biased there is no such thing as an unbiased opinion on Earth and If you want to know how light side biased I am go look up my F2P roster on SWGOH.gg My name is "Fives@MRB"
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS. [/quote]
I guess this is not completely true if the story has got who the Good guys and the bad guys are messed up than that is a different issue. But although Star Wars blurs the line between good and bad sometimes they tend to get it right
What's interesting is that now that Zaul is dwindling..... Very few have actually begun to notice... Zader is actually quite viable again with the addition of a very fast SA. Very dangerous to the current meta.
Also, it's too polarizing to nerf an established mechanic. Instead, new mechanics are added which makes much more sense. Like what happened with Zaul when R2 showed up.
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
The heck dude? Don't you think this is a little extreme?
What's interesting is that now that Zaul is dwindling..... Very few have actually begun to notice... Zader is actually quite viable again with the addition of a very fast SA. Very dangerous to the current meta.
Yeah, I'm actually happy Vader might be making a comeback. SA saves.
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
The heck dude? Don't you think this is a little extreme?
PS: My favorite faction is Jedi o.O
Ok yea it is overly extreme and i apologize but I just find it creepy when people enjoy playing the bad guys especially in role playing games and games were you actually play and create a character like SWTOR or SWKOTOR
They could keep it as is, but just add aoe cleanse to the best toons in the game - like tenacity is currently - and watch cleanse teams die fast. Triple debuff - Imagine if EP's zeta does enemy buff removal + buff block, new thrawn also has aoe buff removal - one an aoe and one a specific target that also inflicts buff block for 3 rounds ... and run that with DT...add in a zDV zeta on a unique that any time he attacks a rebel he removes a buff and bam....quadruple debuff!!!. Oh...and the debuffs they inflict check AFTER the buff / ten up removal. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
No just No Tan up should be kept as is the Dark side of the Force already clouds the arena too much and has ruled the arena since almost forever please just let the good guys have there turn for once.
I take it you've never fought a Rebel squad before
Yes I have fought lots of rebel squads but all you have to do is go to SWGOH.gg and look at the top 100 meta report to see that the dark side dominates and has since forever.
Yea because you are looking at the number one player in every shard only. come on I looked at the top 100 and said so. The thing about the number one players are that 90% are whales slash dolphins so not an accurate depiction of true viability because up there there is very little variation while in the top 100 you have to work against more different squads and you see a combo of what is moderately easy to gear and what is viable at lower star lvls if that is what they have assess to. Nihlius is way too easy to gear for how powerful he is same with EP and same with Kylo. while on the other hand the good light side characters are crazy hard to gear. GK is one of if not THE HARDEST CHARACTER IN THE GAME TO GEAR AND EXTREMELY HARD TO GET IN THE FIRST PLACE both Chirrut and Baze are VERY difficult to gear and star R2-D2 IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO GEAR AND SEMI DIFFICULT TO STAR as you really need 5, 7 star gear 11 empire characters to get him. Rex is also very high on gear Requirements and takes a good while to star. Nihilus the only charater in the game with an insta kill and he is crazy tanky was given to everyone at 3* were he is ultra viable. EP is much easier than R2 to get I unlocked him with Akbar lead Leia Lando STH and biggs all at gear 9 or lower. Kylo is also ultra easy to farm. my point is the good good guy characters are hard to get while the supper OP/Supper powerful bad guys are there for the taking. So if you were to change the Tan up it would only plunge the Meta back to the dark side nexus that we have only begun to clime out of. So just Shut up and Let the Good guys beat the bad guys like they are supposed to and stop acting so Evil loving.
You are so out of touch with reality I have to wonder if you're being serious or trolling.
From the jump, this game at lower tiers gives you easy access to rebel characters. EP requires rebels and to get him, so naturally, most jump on the Wiggs / Lando / Boba bandwagon in lower tiers. From there, they'd invest into Chaze and very few trot into DS. With the exception of DN, who's practically needed due to the overabundance of Chaze, DS is generally lacking.
The very last part of your post shows an obvious bias.
Yes there are numbers of rebel characters that are easily available at the beginning of the game to all players but these are the weaker rebels not the Powerful ones. the Powerful Rebels are only available in the late game. My point in preferring the top 100 was not well stated and I apologize for that. If you have Taken any Science classes you may remember that the lager a sample size the more accurate the data tends to be. also the top 100 shows more of where the Meta was while the Top 1 or top 10 tend to show what the next meta may be. I completely concede that Caze Rex triple cleanse is currently meta. But the reason it is meta is because of the overwhelming use of Debuffs by the dark side that has ruled the meta for the last 6 months at least. (the dark side meta stared to die with R2) However my argument has been the whole time that the Dark side ruled the arena (and most other parts of the game for that mater too) for a long time and if you weaken Tan UP it will only make that happen again.
I am sorry for my other overreactions Jedi Reach. I would really like your on this post of mine do you think these arguments are legit?
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
The heck dude? Don't you think this is a little extreme?
PS: My favorite faction is Jedi o.O
Ok yea it is overly extreme and i apologize but I just find it creepy when people enjoy playing the bad guys especially in role playing games and games were you actually play and create a character like SWTOR or SWKOTOR
Well that gets into a societal issue at large where we're stuffed that 'good guys' are too bland and boring, and 'evil' is the new sexy, fun and delicious. It's laughably silly how backwards it's been flipped where a famous, fake-fantasy show based off a book is all about incest, killing, plotting, and recycling main characters every few pages while making the bad guys ALWAYS win is the new 'fad'.
It's completely immature and stupid, and the creator has the mind of a psychopath in my opinion, pushing such atrocity. I'm sure the fans would know what show I'm talking about, I won't say the name.
That being said, I think you need to be careful (these days) about who the 'good guys' are. A lot of them pose to be good guys when they aren't and the lines of morality are more blurred than before. I liken the similarity to rebels in this game because I find them oppressive solely due to how strong they are, drastically affecting game balance. It's an interesting way to look at it.
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
The heck dude? Don't you think this is a little extreme?
PS: My favorite faction is Jedi o.O
Ok yea it is overly extreme and i apologize but I just find it creepy when people enjoy playing the bad guys especially in role playing games and games were you actually play and create a character like SWTOR or SWKOTOR
Well that gets into a societal issue at large where we're stuffed that 'good guys' are too bland and boring, and 'evil' is the new sexy, fun and delicious. It's laughably silly how backwards it's been flipped where a famous, fake-fantasy show based off a book is all about incest, killing, plotting, and recycling main characters every few pages while making the bad guys ALWAYS win is the new 'fad'.
It's completely immature and ****, and the creator has the mind of a psychopath in my opinion, pushing such atrocity. I'm sure the fans would know what show I'm talking about, I won't say the name.
That being said, I think you need to be careful (these days) about who the 'good guys' are. A lot of them pose to be good guys when they aren't and the lines of morality are more blurred than before. I liken the similarity to rebels in this game because I find them oppressive solely due to how strong they are, drastically affecting game balance. It's an interesting way to look at it.
Well I am going to make the wild guess that you are talking about Game of thrones (Please know I never have and Will Never watch a single episode of that show). And Yes I agree that is hugely messed up. I also completely agree that we must be extremely careful to keep the straight the good guys from the Bad guys and It is a major fault of our society today that the lines of good and evil are blurred so often. But back to the topic of how powerful Rebels are the only Rebel Combo I find close to OP is Chaze but neither character is really OP by themselves so I really would like them left alone because the Sith have been dominate for a while and I think if Chaze went away the Sith would come back full force and and I really want that to not happen
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
The heck dude? Don't you think this is a little extreme?
PS: My favorite faction is Jedi o.O
Ok yea it is overly extreme and i apologize but I just find it creepy when people enjoy playing the bad guys especially in role playing games and games were you actually play and create a character like SWTOR or SWKOTOR
Well that gets into a societal issue at large where we're stuffed that 'good guys' are too bland and boring, and 'evil' is the new sexy, fun and delicious. It's laughably silly how backwards it's been flipped where a famous, fake-fantasy show based off a book is all about incest, killing, plotting, and recycling main characters every few pages while making the bad guys ALWAYS win is the new 'fad'.
It's completely immature and ****, and the creator has the mind of a psychopath in my opinion, pushing such atrocity. I'm sure the fans would know what show I'm talking about, I won't say the name.
That being said, I think you need to be careful (these days) about who the 'good guys' are. A lot of them pose to be good guys when they aren't and the lines of morality are more blurred than before. I liken the similarity to rebels in this game because I find them oppressive solely due to how strong they are, drastically affecting game balance. It's an interesting way to look at it.
Well I am going to make the wild guess that you are talking about Game of thrones (Please know I never have and Will Never watch a single episode of that show). And Yes I agree that is hugely messed up.
Shhh, don't mention names
I also completely agree that we must be extremely careful to keep the straight the good guys from the Bad guys and It is a major fault of our society today that the lines of good and evil are blurred so often.
Yes.
But back to the topic of how powerful Rebels are the only Rebel Combo I find close to OP is Chaze but neither character is really OP by themselves so I really would like them left alone because the Sith have been dominate for a while and I think if Chaze went away the Sith would come back full force and and I really want that to not happen
The difference is Chaze has always been here. They never went away. Sith is fighting for its spot. Baze and Chir alone are actually quite fine and balanced characters. It's the synergy that makes them far too powerful, similarly to Wiggs, which I still find insulting that sidekick rebels can be outdoing powerful Jedi masters like Mace.
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
The heck dude? Don't you think this is a little extreme?
PS: My favorite faction is Jedi o.O
Ok yea it is overly extreme and i apologize but I just find it creepy when people enjoy playing the bad guys especially in role playing games and games were you actually play and create a character like SWTOR or SWKOTOR
Well that gets into a societal issue at large where we're stuffed that 'good guys' are too bland and boring, and 'evil' is the new sexy, fun and delicious. It's laughably silly how backwards it's been flipped where a famous, fake-fantasy show based off a book is all about incest, killing, plotting, and recycling main characters every few pages while making the bad guys ALWAYS win is the new 'fad'.
It's completely immature and ****, and the creator has the mind of a psychopath in my opinion, pushing such atrocity. I'm sure the fans would know what show I'm talking about, I won't say the name.
That being said, I think you need to be careful (these days) about who the 'good guys' are. A lot of them pose to be good guys when they aren't and the lines of morality are more blurred than before. I liken the similarity to rebels in this game because I find them oppressive solely due to how strong they are, drastically affecting game balance. It's an interesting way to look at it.
Well I am going to make the wild guess that you are talking about Game of thrones (Please know I never have and Will Never watch a single episode of that show). And Yes I agree that is hugely messed up.
Shhh, don't mention names
I also completely agree that we must be extremely careful to keep the straight the good guys from the Bad guys and It is a major fault of our society today that the lines of good and evil are blurred so often.
Yes.
But back to the topic of how powerful Rebels are the only Rebel Combo I find close to OP is Chaze but neither character is really OP by themselves so I really would like them left alone because the Sith have been dominate for a while and I think if Chaze went away the Sith would come back full force and and I really want that to not happen
The difference is Chaze has always been here. They never went away. Sith is fighting for its spot. Baze and Chir alone are actually quite fine and balanced characters. It's the synergy that makes them far too powerful, similarly to Wiggs, which I still find insulting that sidekick rebels can be outdoing powerful Jedi masters like Mace.
Yes how under powered most of the Jedi are is one of my pet peeves. What bugs me the most is Kylo ren a character who is a flat out whip in the story could beat any character in the game one on one but in the star wars universe any of the Jedi (or sith) in this game could cremate him blind fooled with one hand tied behind their back. sooooo frustrating He is my number one nemesis in the arena right now.
Also I have fought Chaze a number of times in the arena with my GK clone team and have not had much trouble with them. I have never had that much trouble with Rebels in arena and have played for over a year
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Top 1 most used characters clearly shows a gigantic imbalance with the exception of DN, that GK, Baze, Rex, Chirrut are doubling characters like Kylo and Maul and tripling that of Savage. Top 10 also confirms it as well. The top 1 influences the rest of the ladder sooner or later and clearly shows what is actually effective.
Now I have to ask, what rank are you and what squad do you use?
I'm doing the exact same thing you're doing, chosing to mention the data that fits my argument.
https://swgoh.gg/u/leef/ I don't have any guildmates on my leaderboard though
1 Rex · GK · Chirrut · Baze · Darth Nihilus - 678- 83%
2 QGJ · JKA · GM Yoda · GK · R2-D2 - 214 - 26%
3 Rex · Chirrut · Baze · Darth Nihilus · R2-D2 - 198 - 24%
4 Maul · Savage Opress · Emperor · Darth Nihilus · Sith Assassin - 192 -24%
5 Rex · Kylo Ren · Chirrut · Baze · Darth Nihilus - 182 - 22%
6 Wedge · Biggs · Chirrut · Baze · R2-D2 - 144 -18%
7 Wedge · GK · Chirrut · Baze · R2-D2 - 96- 12%
8 GK · Chirrut · Baze · Darth Nihilus · R2-D2 - 85 - 10%
9 Maul · Savage Opress · Darth Nihilus · Sith Trooper · Sith Assassin - 85 - 10%
10 Rex · Kylo Ren · GK · Darth Nihilus · R2-D2 - 85 - 10%
First 3 are LS except for Nihilus. 4 is the Zaul meta.5 - 8 are Chaze based squads, overall still very LS. 9 is another Zaul meta setup. 10 is some mix of the toons used among ranks 1 - 9.
I dont know hwo SWGOH calculates these figures. But I can see that in the Top 10 the most used squads rely on Rex, GK, R2, Nihilus and Chaze. Which is very LS.
I dont have a problem with this situation. But I think that numbers can be very misleading.
I highly recommend you take a look at some of these articles and others like it to educate yourself in how game balance should work, regardless of business assets:
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jLGvQ3Wk-before-you-make-a-post-about-balance
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/data-and-champion-balance-part-1
I did but honestly dont really understand yet.
dissappointed i didn't use chaze right ?
As for the other stuff, i'm not going to read stuff about LoL. I haven't played that game. It seems very different than swgoh though. Maybe keep that in mind when you're preaching balance.
Of course you're not going to read, because as I pointed out, you haven't a clue about game balance and you don't want to develop any knowledge toward it, which is baffling.
You probably haven't played many games either, period.
Things aren't that different from balance perspectives. You can keep running from that all you want, or, maybe, educate yourself and provide beneficial discussion on game balance instead of pathetic, underhand jabs.
PS: Before anyone gets into 'business' logic, keep in mind how much LoL (a far more balanced game) is making versus GoH.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-06-09-league-of-legends-generates-usd150m-a-month-superdata
http://segmentnext.com/2016/12/24/league-legends-generated-1-7-billion-revenue-2016/
https://thinkgaming.com/app-sales-data/68737/star-warstm-galaxy-of-heroes/
Well, maybe I understand this better now. At least this is a new perspective. But since I do not have high end toons and still have a long way to go I cannot really say what level of skill is required to win with any of the squads from the Top 10. With my own arena team I see that i am not able to stay in the top 50 because I lose more often while others gain ranks with their newer and better composed squads.
yet i'm the only one out of the two of us who recognizes what kind of game he's playing.
I think you're grossly overestimating yourself, i could be wrong. Maybe you're right, and you know how to run a game better than the devs, you would have made players happier and made more money in the process. But since you're commenting on a forum, arguing how balance should be, i highly doubt that is actually the case
But what do i know? i probably haven't played many games period and i'm unwilling to educate myself. That's probably why i only resort to pathetic underhand jabs. Wait, isn't that an underhanded jab in itself?
Yes there are numbers of rebel characters that are easily available at the beginning of the game to all players but these are the weaker rebels not the Powerful ones. the Powerful Rebels are only available in the late game. My point in preferring the top 100 was not well stated and I apologize for that. If you have Taken any Science classes you may remember that the lager a sample size the more accurate the data tends to be. also the top 100 shows more of where the Meta was while the Top 1 or top 10 tend to show what the next meta may be. I completely concede that Caze Rex triple cleanse is currently meta. But the reason it is meta is because of the overwhelming use of Debuffs by the dark side that has ruled the meta for the last 6 months at least. (the dark side meta stared to die with R2) However my argument has been the whole time that the Dark side ruled the arena (and most other parts of the game for that mater too) for a long time and if you weaken Tan UP it will only make that happen again.
O so true I think the Devs really love the Sith because all of them are beasts while the Jedi are mostly wimps
The very last part of your post shows an obvious bias.
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Duuu everyone is biased there is no such thing as an unbiased opinion on Earth and If you want to know how light side biased I am go look up my F2P roster on SWGOH.gg My name is "Fives@MRB"
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS.
But I would rather be a good guy than be a bad guys so points for me. People who ACTUAL LIKE THE BAD GUYS BETTER THAT THE GOOD GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS MORAL PROBLEMS. [/quote]
I guess this is not completely true if the story has got who the Good guys and the bad guys are messed up than that is a different issue. But although Star Wars blurs the line between good and bad sometimes they tend to get it right
Also, it's too polarizing to nerf an established mechanic. Instead, new mechanics are added which makes much more sense. Like what happened with Zaul when R2 showed up.
Please fix now!!!!
Tenacity up should prevent everything even damage and it should be undispellable too!!!
hey I like this Idea
PS: My favorite faction is Jedi o.O Yeah, I'm actually happy Vader might be making a comeback. SA saves.
Ok yea it is overly extreme and i apologize but I just find it creepy when people enjoy playing the bad guys especially in role playing games and games were you actually play and create a character like SWTOR or SWKOTOR
I am sorry for my other overreactions Jedi Reach. I would really like your on this post of mine do you think these arguments are legit?
It's completely immature and stupid, and the creator has the mind of a psychopath in my opinion, pushing such atrocity. I'm sure the fans would know what show I'm talking about, I won't say the name.
That being said, I think you need to be careful (these days) about who the 'good guys' are. A lot of them pose to be good guys when they aren't and the lines of morality are more blurred than before. I liken the similarity to rebels in this game because I find them oppressive solely due to how strong they are, drastically affecting game balance. It's an interesting way to look at it.
Well I am going to make the wild guess that you are talking about Game of thrones (Please know I never have and Will Never watch a single episode of that show). And Yes I agree that is hugely messed up. I also completely agree that we must be extremely careful to keep the straight the good guys from the Bad guys and It is a major fault of our society today that the lines of good and evil are blurred so often. But back to the topic of how powerful Rebels are the only Rebel Combo I find close to OP is Chaze but neither character is really OP by themselves so I really would like them left alone because the Sith have been dominate for a while and I think if Chaze went away the Sith would come back full force and and I really want that to not happen
Yes.
The difference is Chaze has always been here. They never went away. Sith is fighting for its spot. Baze and Chir alone are actually quite fine and balanced characters. It's the synergy that makes them far too powerful, similarly to Wiggs, which I still find insulting that sidekick rebels can be outdoing powerful Jedi masters like Mace.
Yes how under powered most of the Jedi are is one of my pet peeves. What bugs me the most is Kylo ren a character who is a flat out whip in the story could beat any character in the game one on one but in the star wars universe any of the Jedi (or sith) in this game could cremate him blind fooled with one hand tied behind their back. sooooo frustrating He is my number one nemesis in the arena right now.