He single-handedly destroyed all those in top 50 that do not have him. Top 50 are now all mostly CLS leads or those parties that have CLS. Those without CLS are pushed to 50-100 and some are struggling to keep below 100.
Well ... NO! If you use the right Toons and the right mods, you can handel this Meta without beeing kicked out of Top 50
For me CLS isnt the Problem. Even with Fashoka and Leia i can deal. Its Raid Han under CLS Lead who becomes a real thread. Every fight agains Squads with him is like a coin flip. ^^
He single-handedly destroyed all those in top 50 that do not have him. Top 50 are now all mostly CLS leads or those parties that have CLS. Those without CLS are pushed to 50-100 and some are struggling to keep below 100.
Well ... NO! If you use the right Toons and the right mods, you can handel this Meta without beeing kicked out of Top 50
I'm on this year's Jan shard. I'm F2P (spent $15 so far). I see Rex, zMaul, Jedi, Wiggs teams that I used to fight often in Top 50 drop off to 50-100. I myself run a Wiggs+Chaze team and I fell out of 100 today, I can't even get back to 50 after 5 tries, I used to keep at 30-40 with my zR2D2. It takes so long to gear a character to 11. And then new characters keep coming and character stars especially for characters like Baze. By the time you actually get to 11, your character's pretty much very obsolete.
To those complaining its all cls now, well what about before that, and before that, etc. That will never change. Cg designs it so the next toon replaces the next one and you have to use that to stay competitive. The idea that you can use whatever team you want and have mass diversity in arena is a dream...never going to happen (not that i agree with it, but thats reality)
I kick myself every day for not getting him, since he indeed is insanely good. Don't expect a nerf, as that would cause an uproar, and I'm sure he was intended to be as good as they made him.
Anyway, the best option for anyone who doesn't have him is to start working on arena teams that are anti-crit, with abilities like stun/daze/stealth and attacks like annihilate and fracture. The two best options are probably:
General Kenobi (L), zBarriss, zR2D2, Nihilus, Thrawn
Rex (L), General Kenobi, zR2D2, Nihilus, Thrawn
CLS can one shot Rex before Kenobi taunts.
It may be possible, but I've never had that happen before. My Rex is faster than nearly every CLS on my shard, and even if I were to attack a team with a faster CLS, there'd only be a 20% chance of Rex being the target. Also, CLS would have to crit for more than 41k to kill my Rex, which is an amount of dmg I've never seen him do before.
It is borry fighting CLS all the day (28/30 in my Leaderboard have him in their squad, Dez. 2015) and that is the reason i will stay by my Dark-Side-Team. DK and zDT under Thrawn lead are the perfect tool to handle this rebel scum.
As long as i can get Top 5/10 every day i will not use CLS although i have him almost Gear 12.
Like GK, he is not needet to stay at high rank in the arena but he makes it a lot easyer. Its like Light Side Toons are beeing corruptet by the dark side.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?" Yoda: "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive."
Light Side=Light Side
Dark Side=Dark Side
In swgoh, its pretty much opposite, star wars wise.
I kick myself every day for not getting him, since he indeed is insanely good. Don't expect a nerf, as that would cause an uproar, and I'm sure he was intended to be as good as they made him.
Anyway, the best option for anyone who doesn't have him is to start working on arena teams that are anti-crit, with abilities like stun/daze/stealth and attacks like annihilate and fracture. The two best options are probably:
General Kenobi (L), zBarriss, zR2D2, Nihilus, Thrawn
Rex (L), General Kenobi, zR2D2, Nihilus, Thrawn
CLS can one shot Rex before Kenobi taunts.
It may be possible, but I've never had that happen before. My Rex is faster than nearly every CLS on my shard, and even if I were to attack a team with a faster CLS, there'd only be a 20% chance of Rex being the target. Also, CLS would have to crit for more than 41k to kill my Rex, which is an amount of dmg I've never seen him do before.
He made a crit of one of my toons for that exact amount last days. Don't remember if it was GW or arena.
CLS made arena boring...16/20 in top 20 CLS lead, soooo much fun fighting the daily 5 arena matches, when you can choose from CLS lead, or CLS lead, or CLS lead to fight.
I don't have him, but I don't mind that Luke is the most powerful character. The issue I see is that his synergies line him up with characters that have been paid a disproportionate amount of attention recently. It'll all balance out, it'll just take time.
The only thing i hate about CLS is fight his meta team 3-4 times everyday in galatic wars.
Other than that he is a good toon and deseves to be strong. When you have a roster of 100 seven star toons and you struggle to beat galatic wars because 4 of the nodes are CLS meta....something is wrong...and it isnt my roster, knowledge of the game or what i am or am not doing.
Like i said i like Luke, use Luke and dont mind fighting Luke...but fighting his meta 4 times everyday in galatic wars is very tedious and not fun.
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HardPill2Swallow
HardPill2Swallow - December 22, 2017 2:25PM
If you're like me and play faithfully everyday getting rank 1 constantly, working with others in your shard to not only stay competetive but also working to keep out new players from dropping your rank, then you will understand what I'm saying.
When CLS came for the first time there were a lot of new faces that entered the top 10. Now that he is coming back we will see even more climbing the ranks...not because they have a good roster, or because they are good players..but because they finally got the CLS toon they have been crying about for months. We all know how good CLS is and how he fits into any team or any part of this game.
The shard I'm in has the exact same feeling as I do: All of us don't like to see new faces. All of us have controlled the top of our arena shard for well over a year and the last thing we want is to have to share our ranks with other players, not because they are good or deserve to be in the top 10...but because they weren't good enough to make it to the top 10 with what they had.
Instead they are gonna climb the ranks because of 1 toon. Just 1 toon...that's it. They haven't worked endlessly day after day for months holding on to their ranks of their daily payout, helping each other out like so many of us do. Nor have they helped each other out from snipers like many of us also have done.
My suggestion...work together to keep out all these new faces that get into the top 10 not because they are good or ain't good or deserve to be there...but because they couldn't get there before now all of a sudden because they got Luke they think they are top 10 arena tier and deserve to be there. They don't deserve to be there. Attack them soon as you get the chance to.
I know this isn't a popular opinion and I'm gonna get tons of hate...and honestly I don't even care. I'm just saying what the majorty of all the top people of their arena shards are thinking:
All these new players that are gonna enter the top 10 deserves to be targets first. Make them work for it. Show them just how competetive the top 10 is and what it takes if they wanna try and stay there.
To all the new players entering the top 10...you better be ready for a war cause you're not climbing the ranks that easily because you finally got Luke. Better mod up, refresh and be ready to change your team up cause for players like me and many others: it takes dedication, team work, communication and a willingness to log in multiple times a day to hold on to your ranks that we've held on to for well over a year...and many others and myself aren't giving it up without a fight. Just because you finally got Luke doesn't mean you are gonna get an easy free ride to the top.
If you can't beat any combination of squads in the top 10....you simply just don't belong there yet.
Moderator TyloRen
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TyloRenTyloRen 5:05PM
I appreciate passion and all, but I'm removing your post. It really serves no purpose, and trolling other users isn't permitted.
HardPill2SwallowHardPill2Swallow 5:07PM
**** you
The only thing i hate about CLS is fight his meta team 3-4 times everyday in galatic wars.
Other than that he is a good toon and deseves to be strong. When you have a roster of 100 seven star toons and you struggle to beat galatic wars because 4 of the nodes are CLS meta....something is wrong...and it isnt my roster, knowledge of the game or what i am or am not doing.
Like i said i like Luke, use Luke and dont mind fighting Luke...but fighting his meta 4 times everyday in galatic wars is very tedious and not fun.
Cant agree more, imo we must get different variations of leaders in gw, none repetitve.
He made a crit of one of my toons for that exact amount last days. Don't remember if it was GW or arena.
I don't doubt 41k is possible. The question is how likely it is to occur. If it's a rare occurrence, which it seems to be, then it's not really a concern.
Also, a CLS that would be able to do that amount of dmg would have to be modded with a focus on crit dmg instead of speed. So in the arena, a Rex modded for speed would go first and give everyone TM, and R2D2, Thrawn, Nihilus could do their magic.
Anyway, it will soon be a moot point, since the developers decided to make Rex less squishy with the new gear lvl.
Its why there are almost no dark side teams in the arena now. When the average light side toon can be faster than a dark side toon under a Maul lead, there isn't much chance for dark side to compete.
No lightside toon can beat a Sith assassin under Maul lead.
Tarkin & Veers are viable leaders and bring a lot of speed.
Dooku, Sidious, Zam and TFP are among the fastest toons around, TFP being the fastest.
Never encountered a FO team either i guess, cause i wouldn't say they're the slowest around.
I have beat CLS teams with my Zaul sith team. If you're still so worried about CLS, then the best way to beat him is like you would beat any other toon: Get and build your own instead of asking Big Brother to take away what others have worked for.
Well its luke...hes suppose to be op. Im glad he is as is. Certain chars get the pass on op. Now chaze...who are they....to much op for unknowns. When jedi luke comes i expect even more op...and thats expected. And i agree, ds is in shambles. I hope when GG gets reworked he is godly op....DS deserve it
Okay...so why isn't Vader OP? Nah, it's just lazy game design. CLS is an abomination. Bespin Luke the most powerful in the game is joke and fans of SW should find it ridiculous. It's Bespin Luke, not Jedi Luke or Grand Master Luke. No, it's the whiny kid who was toyed around with by Vader before getting his hand chopped off. Nicely done CG....
^This^
IMO an opportunity was missed to give toons that need a rework new abilities that unlock at G12.
CLS is already 61% of the Meta. I guess I'm in the other 39% because I don't even have him and wonder when the next CLS Event will be. Yes he is OP and so many people don't own CLS.
He just broke all diversity in the arena. Before him u could play some DS or jedis and getting a chance to take the top 10. But now it's just impossible against him. his leadership, specialy the retribution should be revisited. That make all others rebels still more unbalanced as they was before.
He just broke all diversity in the arena. Before him u could play some DS or jedis and getting a chance to take the top 10. But now it's just impossible against him. his leadership, specialy the retribution should be revisited. That make all others rebels still more unbalanced as they was before.
Same counter chance as gar Saxon lead. I really don't think that is what makes cls lead good. Full couter teams have been around for a while.
Bah G12 just got here... before you whine about CLS answer this check list.
-Have you brought all your heros to G12 yet?
-Have you maxed out all your G12 heros with TB gear?
- Have you tried every combination of the the afforementioned maxed G12 heros vs. CLS arena teams?
If you have not then please go the back of the line get organized and feel free to drink a complementary glass of "be quiet juice"... thank you and have a nice day.
Same counter chance as gar Saxon lead. I really don't think that is what makes cls lead good. Full couter teams have been around for a while.
Yea but it's not the same impact to give the passif retribution at DS units compare to Rebels, cause these last are specialist with huge damage or effect on basic attack. I prefer see the retribution on a DN, vador palpatine or any other dark toon than a raid han/wedge/leia/r2 or this cls...
If atleast the retribution was like a buff like at start of every battle or when something happen but no it's a passif and that's the worst, u can't attack one of these without take the risk to loose too much life during your turn.
Bah G12 just got here... before you whine about CLS answer this check list.
-Have you brought all your heros to G12 yet?
-Have you maxed out all your G12 heros with TB gear?
- Have you tried every combination of the the afforementioned maxed G12 heros vs. CLS arena teams?
If you have not then please go the back of the line get organized and feel free to drink a complementary glass of "be quiet juice"... thank you and have a nice day.
Honestly i don't see how the G12 will change something.He was OP before and the advantage he give to others rebels doesn't matter with the gear.
And sorry u don't need to have maxed gears on your teams when u fight against him for see if it's a balanced toon.
Everything have already be listed about all his kit on this forum.But if u still think that maxed others chars like he can too will change something, may be u should feel free to drink a complementary glass of "be smart juice".
Nothing personal against u and have a nice day.
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Well ... NO! If you use the right Toons and the right mods, you can handel this Meta without beeing kicked out of Top 50
https://swgoh.gg/u/phoenix/
I'am on a DEC15 Shard and Rund Empire+Nihilus against Wales like this one https://swgoh.gg/u/myklowren/
For me CLS isnt the Problem. Even with Fashoka and Leia i can deal. Its Raid Han under CLS Lead who becomes a real thread. Every fight agains Squads with him is like a coin flip. ^^
I'm on this year's Jan shard. I'm F2P (spent $15 so far). I see Rex, zMaul, Jedi, Wiggs teams that I used to fight often in Top 50 drop off to 50-100. I myself run a Wiggs+Chaze team and I fell out of 100 today, I can't even get back to 50 after 5 tries, I used to keep at 30-40 with my zR2D2. It takes so long to gear a character to 11. And then new characters keep coming and character stars especially for characters like Baze. By the time you actually get to 11, your character's pretty much very obsolete.
It may be possible, but I've never had that happen before. My Rex is faster than nearly every CLS on my shard, and even if I were to attack a team with a faster CLS, there'd only be a 20% chance of Rex being the target. Also, CLS would have to crit for more than 41k to kill my Rex, which is an amount of dmg I've never seen him do before.
Light Side=Light Side
Dark Side=Dark Side
In swgoh, its pretty much opposite, star wars wise.
He made a crit of one of my toons for that exact amount last days. Don't remember if it was GW or arena.
What squad do you run @scuba ?
Don't forget CLS lead
Sorry for my English :]
He runs an ewok team that is pretty much impossible to duplicate without spending a thousand dollars.
Other than that he is a good toon and deseves to be strong. When you have a roster of 100 seven star toons and you struggle to beat galatic wars because 4 of the nodes are CLS meta....something is wrong...and it isnt my roster, knowledge of the game or what i am or am not doing.
Like i said i like Luke, use Luke and dont mind fighting Luke...but fighting his meta 4 times everyday in galatic wars is very tedious and not fun.
Re: Discussion in category Forum Trash
HardPill2Swallow
HardPill2Swallow - December 22, 2017 2:25PM
If you're like me and play faithfully everyday getting rank 1 constantly, working with others in your shard to not only stay competetive but also working to keep out new players from dropping your rank, then you will understand what I'm saying.
When CLS came for the first time there were a lot of new faces that entered the top 10. Now that he is coming back we will see even more climbing the ranks...not because they have a good roster, or because they are good players..but because they finally got the CLS toon they have been crying about for months. We all know how good CLS is and how he fits into any team or any part of this game.
The shard I'm in has the exact same feeling as I do: All of us don't like to see new faces. All of us have controlled the top of our arena shard for well over a year and the last thing we want is to have to share our ranks with other players, not because they are good or deserve to be in the top 10...but because they weren't good enough to make it to the top 10 with what they had.
Instead they are gonna climb the ranks because of 1 toon. Just 1 toon...that's it. They haven't worked endlessly day after day for months holding on to their ranks of their daily payout, helping each other out like so many of us do. Nor have they helped each other out from snipers like many of us also have done.
My suggestion...work together to keep out all these new faces that get into the top 10 not because they are good or ain't good or deserve to be there...but because they couldn't get there before now all of a sudden because they got Luke they think they are top 10 arena tier and deserve to be there. They don't deserve to be there. Attack them soon as you get the chance to.
I know this isn't a popular opinion and I'm gonna get tons of hate...and honestly I don't even care. I'm just saying what the majorty of all the top people of their arena shards are thinking:
All these new players that are gonna enter the top 10 deserves to be targets first. Make them work for it. Show them just how competetive the top 10 is and what it takes if they wanna try and stay there.
To all the new players entering the top 10...you better be ready for a war cause you're not climbing the ranks that easily because you finally got Luke. Better mod up, refresh and be ready to change your team up cause for players like me and many others: it takes dedication, team work, communication and a willingness to log in multiple times a day to hold on to your ranks that we've held on to for well over a year...and many others and myself aren't giving it up without a fight. Just because you finally got Luke doesn't mean you are gonna get an easy free ride to the top.
If you can't beat any combination of squads in the top 10....you simply just don't belong there yet.
Moderator TyloRen
Points 0
TyloRenTyloRen 5:05PM
I appreciate passion and all, but I'm removing your post. It really serves no purpose, and trolling other users isn't permitted.
HardPill2SwallowHardPill2Swallow 5:07PM
**** you
Cant agree more, imo we must get different variations of leaders in gw, none repetitve.
I don't doubt 41k is possible. The question is how likely it is to occur. If it's a rare occurrence, which it seems to be, then it's not really a concern.
Also, a CLS that would be able to do that amount of dmg would have to be modded with a focus on crit dmg instead of speed. So in the arena, a Rex modded for speed would go first and give everyone TM, and R2D2, Thrawn, Nihilus could do their magic.
Anyway, it will soon be a moot point, since the developers decided to make Rex less squishy with the new gear lvl.
Must be my imagination then. Losing to LS teams.
Do those teams have R2?
IMO an opportunity was missed to give toons that need a rework new abilities that unlock at G12.
They didn't cost that much.
-Have you brought all your heros to G12 yet?
-Have you maxed out all your G12 heros with TB gear?
- Have you tried every combination of the the afforementioned maxed G12 heros vs. CLS arena teams?
If you have not then please go the back of the line get organized and feel free to drink a complementary glass of "be quiet juice"... thank you and have a nice day.
Yea but it's not the same impact to give the passif retribution at DS units compare to Rebels, cause these last are specialist with huge damage or effect on basic attack. I prefer see the retribution on a DN, vador palpatine or any other dark toon than a raid han/wedge/leia/r2 or this cls...
If atleast the retribution was like a buff like at start of every battle or when something happen but no it's a passif and that's the worst, u can't attack one of these without take the risk to loose too much life during your turn.
Honestly i don't see how the G12 will change something.He was OP before and the advantage he give to others rebels doesn't matter with the gear.
And sorry u don't need to have maxed gears on your teams when u fight against him for see if it's a balanced toon.
Everything have already be listed about all his kit on this forum.But if u still think that maxed others chars like he can too will change something, may be u should feel free to drink a complementary glass of "be smart juice".
Nothing personal against u and have a nice day.