Here's another one about Ahsoka from the same thread
Sam Martin @samwise_thebard Jan 17
Replying to @pablohidalgo
I think people don't know what to call a Force-user who isn't totally light side. Maybe you guys can give us a name to use.
Pablo Hidalgo @pablohidalgo Jan 17
Call them by their name. They're following their own path.
So, by Pablo's definition, Revan would be considered a Jedi or Sith or just Revan (depending on timeline), Ahsoka would be considered an Ahsoka, and Qui-Gon would be considered a Jedi
I would've preferred that Palpatine used the cloners to clone himself into a bunch of baby palpatines waiting for their brain dumps and as the current palpatine bites it.
This is the kind of jibber jabber that creeps in my head while waiting ALL DAY FOR THE NEW UNITS TO DROP!!!
PS - this was in reference to fixing the continuity problem with Rey being Rey Palpatine.
Why do you think Revan is still not canon? Sith Revan is ok with canon. Jedi Revan is ok with canon. Revan using both sides at the same time is contradictory to canon, hence why we don't have canon Revan. Whenever we get a canon Old Republic movie/series/book, you can be sure Revan'll be slightly different. Using both sides can't happen in canon enviroment.
The truth of it is, we have no idea whats canon anymore. Once upon a time, Revan was canon, then he was not. He was almost included in an episode of clone wars and remade canon (along with Bane), then removed (you can still find the deleted scene online). Midichlorians have now been removed from canon even though they are a major plot point of half of the movies. Thrawn was removed from canon, then added again. There are books and stories out there that claim there are 3 aspects of the force; Ashla, Bogun, and Bendu, all of which have been partially remade canon by SWRebels. These stories center around the view that using only one side of the force (any side) is bad. This could be the direction we are going. We don't know.
In a side note, Disney/Lucasfilm told EA they could use any character from EA's games in SW:GOH canon or not.
Midichlorians are still canon, I wish they expanded on them more like in the plagueis novel. That beig said they werent a major part of the movies, jsut a few lines here and there, not really needed.
Thrawns books like the thrawn trilogy was removed from canon, but his canon material has been released
Heard there is a book coming out describing how Luke went to go learn about the Force and was taught that there are no sides and to just use the Force as a whole. Think that is why the Jedi must end because it fractures the Force by just using one side so then is calls for others to just use the opposite side.
Why wasn't Cobb Vanth shards a reward for the Krayt Dragon raid? Why wasn't Endor Gear Luke shards a reward for the Speeder Bike raid?
Midichlorians are still canon, I wish they expanded on them more like in the plagueis novel. That beig said they werent a major part of the movies, jsut a few lines here and there, not really needed.
Thrawns books like the thrawn trilogy was removed from canon, but his canon material has been released
For a time, there was no Thrawn in canon until rebels put him back in. The point was, that which is considered canon has changed, is changing, and will continue to change. Regardless, EA can still put their "non-canon" characters in Galaxy of Heroes.
Considering that star was is growing, it has to change. But what is and isnt canon thus far is known. Everything that will be canon in the future will be new material and not stuff already written that isnt already canon. And for the most part EA is only using canon characters, though there are exceptions.
What I meant is that even though we got Thrawn in canon, he's slightly different: we haven't seen ysalamiri, he isn't the last Grand Admiral of the Imperial Remnant who got his rank in secret with Mara Jade present, his eyes are different, etc. He IS still Thrawn, but backstory stuff changed, and the same could be true for Revan (when he's added, I'm not even considering they'd never add him)
Last Rebels episode did add Rukh to cannon. Though I found their portrayal of him lacking:
I'm hoping old Ben got freaky with a lady and had a child (Female). And that child and Luke produced rey. I don't think it will happen. One thing I find interesting is that john boyega is british but has an American accent in the movie. But Daisy Ridley is British and keeps her accent. Old Ben had a British accent as well. hmmmmm.
Shhhhhh! Can’t let americans know that not all black people are african-american!
Sure because accents are genetic
If you have a british accent, chances are you’re british, not american
Except in movies, if you have a British accent you're probably American and if you have an American accent, you're probably Australian.
True. Most people dont know that people like James McAvoy
Why do you think Revan is still not canon? Sith Revan is ok with canon. Jedi Revan is ok with canon. Revan using both sides at the same time is contradictory to canon, hence why we don't have canon Revan. Whenever we get a canon Old Republic movie/series/book, you can be sure Revan'll be slightly different. Using both sides can't happen in canon enviroment.
The truth of it is, we have no idea whats canon anymore. Once upon a time, Revan was canon, then he was not. He was almost included in an episode of clone wars and remade canon (along with Bane), then removed (you can still find the deleted scene online). Midichlorians have now been removed from canon even though they are a major plot point of half of the movies. Thrawn was removed from canon, then added again. There are books and stories out there that claim there are 3 aspects of the force; Ashla, Bogun, and Bendu, all of which have been partially remade canon by SWRebels. These stories center around the view that using only one side of the force (any side) is bad. This could be the direction we are going. We don't know.
In a side note, Disney/Lucasfilm told EA they could use any character from EA's games in SW:GOH canon or not.
As much as I wish midichlorians were never introduced, they’re still canon. But idk why you say that they’re an important plot point. They were mentioned once in Phantom just so Lucas could pi$$ off fans of Empire, then they’re never mentioned again.
People dont like midichlorians in short because they dont like change. But in all honesty they are great for star wars lore. Theres already an equivalent in our blood called mitochondria, which is important to sustain life. Depending on who you talk to people find ways to nitpick at it.
They are the force. False, they are merely microorgansims that interact with the force. And thus give a basis for genetics to play a factor, as well as establish some way to allow the jedi order to track jedi accross the galaxy and explain why the do and dont find certain jedi.
Id also like to point out given their completely minor inclusion intot he movies and peoples complaints is rather unjustified. They assume that as an idea that Midichlorians is inherently bad (with like 3 lines of dialogue of them mentioned in 3 movies, sooooo mentioned once every couple of hours).
But we already have a novel Darth Plagueis. Which despite not being canon, is a demonstration that a story can do well with midichlorians, despite him being specialist in the subject. And all because the writing was good, nothing to do with midichlorians being bad. Its just no one has tried and thus the main public havent got a lcue because they read random articles of haters, and this creates an echo chamber.
To me, theyre great, amazing even. So much better than all the ways other heroes are made, like seriously radioactive spider, turtles gaining super powers and sentiance from waste, or theyre so clever that they can just make what they want and be decades ahead of every other scientist in the world).
The force is still the force, its bind around all living things because it interacts with midichlorians which are in all living things (at least the ones we would care about). It gives a language more sophisticated than a religon to speak about the force, and advocates someone who isnt of a religous background but of a scientific background more ways to more the plot along or understand it
Luke ends the Jedi and Rey dabbles in both the light and darkside. The trailer gave it away. Grey Jedi. Therefore, G-Rey. And she's related to Old Ben.
Come'on now. Ky-Lo, sKYwalker-soLO. In Last Jedi, Rey trains on Actoo. "Act 2", sequel. Sheesh.
Related how? Old Ben died before born and he was a chastity hermit.
According to the books they are both solo kids but not sure how the movies will play it out.
Luke ends the Jedi and Rey dabbles in both the light and darkside. The trailer gave it away. Grey Jedi. Therefore, G-Rey. And she's related to Old Ben.
Come'on now. Ky-Lo, sKYwalker-soLO. In Last Jedi, Rey trains on Actoo. "Act 2", sequel. Sheesh.
Related how? Old Ben died before born and he was a chastity hermit.
According to the books they are both solo kids but not sure how the movies will play it out.
Luke ends the Jedi and Rey dabbles in both the light and darkside. The trailer gave it away. Grey Jedi. Therefore, G-Rey. And she's related to Old Ben.
Come'on now. Ky-Lo, sKYwalker-soLO. In Last Jedi, Rey trains on Actoo. "Act 2", sequel. Sheesh.
Related how? Old Ben died before born and he was a chastity hermit.
According to the books they are both solo kids but not sure how the movies will play it out.
Where does it say that?
Those are legends books they are no longer cannon since Disney. The new movies arent not based off them.
Luke ends the Jedi and Rey dabbles in both the light and darkside. The trailer gave it away. Grey Jedi. Therefore, G-Rey. And she's related to Old Ben.
Come'on now. Ky-Lo, sKYwalker-soLO. In Last Jedi, Rey trains on Actoo. "Act 2", sequel. Sheesh.
Related how? Old Ben died before born and he was a chastity hermit.
According to the books they are both solo kids but not sure how the movies will play it out.
Where does it say that?
Those are legends books they are no longer cannon since Disney. The new movies arent not based off them.
I think you are thinking of different characters, Jacen and Jania Solo. Not Kylo (Ben Solo) Ren and Rey Emanon.
Luke ends the Jedi and Rey dabbles in both the light and darkside. The trailer gave it away. Grey Jedi. Therefore, G-Rey. And she's related to Old Ben.
Come'on now. Ky-Lo, sKYwalker-soLO. In Last Jedi, Rey trains on Actoo. "Act 2", sequel. Sheesh.
Related how? Old Ben died before born and he was a chastity hermit.
According to the books they are both solo kids but not sure how the movies will play it out.
Where does it say that?
Those are legends books they are no longer cannon since Disney. The new movies arent not based off them.
I think you are thinking of different characters, Jacen and Jania Solo. Not Kylo (Ben Solo) Ren and Rey Emanon.
No I'm assuming thats what ghostdog was thinking of otherwise i dont where they got that reys a solo from a book.
Luke ends the Jedi and Rey dabbles in both the light and darkside. The trailer gave it away. Grey Jedi. Therefore, G-Rey. And she's related to Old Ben.
Come'on now. Ky-Lo, sKYwalker-soLO. In Last Jedi, Rey trains on Actoo. "Act 2", sequel. Sheesh.
Related how? Old Ben died before born and he was a chastity hermit.
According to the books they are both solo kids but not sure how the movies will play it out.
Where does it say that?
Those are legends books they are no longer cannon since Disney. The new movies arent not based off them.
I think you are thinking of different characters, Jacen and Jania Solo. Not Kylo (Ben Solo) Ren and Rey Emanon.
No I'm assuming thats what ghostdog was thinking of otherwise i dont where they got that reys a solo from a book.
I'm hoping old Ben got freaky with a lady and had a child (Female). And that child and Luke produced rey. I don't think it will happen. One thing I find interesting is that john boyega is british but has an American accent in the movie. But Daisy Ridley is British and keeps her accent. Old Ben had a British accent as well. hmmmmm.
Shhhhhh! Can’t let americans know that not all black people are african-american!
Sure because accents are genetic
If you have a british accent, chances are you’re british, not american
Except in movies, if you have a British accent you're probably American and if you have an American accent, you're probably Australian.
True. Most people dont know that people like James McAvoy
Why do you think Revan is still not canon? Sith Revan is ok with canon. Jedi Revan is ok with canon. Revan using both sides at the same time is contradictory to canon, hence why we don't have canon Revan. Whenever we get a canon Old Republic movie/series/book, you can be sure Revan'll be slightly different. Using both sides can't happen in canon enviroment.
The truth of it is, we have no idea whats canon anymore. Once upon a time, Revan was canon, then he was not. He was almost included in an episode of clone wars and remade canon (along with Bane), then removed (you can still find the deleted scene online). Midichlorians have now been removed from canon even though they are a major plot point of half of the movies. Thrawn was removed from canon, then added again. There are books and stories out there that claim there are 3 aspects of the force; Ashla, Bogun, and Bendu, all of which have been partially remade canon by SWRebels. These stories center around the view that using only one side of the force (any side) is bad. This could be the direction we are going. We don't know.
In a side note, Disney/Lucasfilm told EA they could use any character from EA's games in SW:GOH canon or not.
As much as I wish midichlorians were never introduced, they’re still canon. But idk why you say that they’re an important plot point. They were mentioned once in Phantom just so Lucas could pi$$ off fans of Empire, then they’re never mentioned again.
I never got the midichlorian hate? What's the problem with them anyway?
What made the force so interesting in th OT is that it was closer to religion than biology. It used to be that to be able to use the force, you had to have complete faith in both it and yourself, not the right blood type or whatever. Luke didnt blow up the death star or turn vader back to the light cause he had the right number of blood mites, he accomplished those things because he had faith in himself and the force, and he belived that he could. He stayed true to who he was. In Empire, he couldnt lift his X-wing because he didn’t believe it was possible. Yoda could do it because the force had nothing to do with physical attributes.
The original interpretation of the force connects with general audiences because it makes you believe that if you try hard enough and truly believe in it, you can use the force. How many of us have tried to lift the TV remote from across the room when we were kids? I’d bet nearly everyone.
Midichlorians turn the force into a tangible thing that you either have or dont have. The force becomes strength of privilege instead of strength of character and conviction. You dont have to earn that power anymore, you’re born with it or you aren’t.
The force shouldn’t be something that can be quantified. Its properties and subtlties should be beyond the scope of what the characters understand. The force should inspire you and encourage you to be the best person you can be. Have faith in yourself and stick to your convictions. Don’t try to do things, do them.
So how come not everyone could you the Force? Even when Episodes 4-6 came out it seemed like you had to be born with the gift otherwise there would be a ton of Force users running around everywhere.
Why wasn't Cobb Vanth shards a reward for the Krayt Dragon raid? Why wasn't Endor Gear Luke shards a reward for the Speeder Bike raid?
This comes to ther other misconception with midichlorians. That the number of midichlorians means youre amazing. Alas no, it requires training, discipline and also faith. Its not like olympic atheltes are just talented and are better than us, its because they worked hard combined with talent. This applis pretty much to any skill, the force being no exception, and hard work has more often than not been the deciding factor in how strong you are in it.
Not to forget the idea "anything is possible if you just believe" trope, i want the force to be broken down and understood, the more that happens the less stupid deus ex machnias there are going to be, there needs to be boundaries. There can be wonder too, but thats not all it should be, after 1,000s of years of learning Id expect more from the jedi order, from Yoda
"The force shouldn’t be something that can be quantified." Yeh the mathematician in me so disagrees, of course people are going to run tests, experiments. You could almost replace just a few words and then use your entire paragraph to talk about gravity or electricity. People want to see more, you cant make a whole universe with a half cooked up idea, there needs to be some add-on, development. Or as I put in my previous comment change.
Han Solo never used the force? why did no one train him? Why did the OT make it out that only a few people could learn it, not everyone, just a few talented people like Luke. Luke saying Leia had that power too kinda implied there was some genetic reason for it, and the hippy answer of you can just feel it doesnt quite cover it
And it wouldnt sotp kids from wanting to use it, in the same way every kid wants to be ironman, or the hulk or even captain america. It doesnt matter what restrictions were on their gifts, jsut that it was possible.
What was said in Empire wasnt wrong, it was just one way of looking at it, more the jedi way of looking at it. The sith will have another interpretation, the nightsisters another. And Darthplagueis had his own idea of how the force worked, and people found that interesting. It wasnt religous in any way, it was as scientific as one gets and people loved the character despite the fact that according to OT hardcore fans what he says is pretty much blasphemous
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Sam Martin @samwise_thebard Jan 17
Replying to @pablohidalgo
I think people don't know what to call a Force-user who isn't totally light side. Maybe you guys can give us a name to use.
Pablo Hidalgo @pablohidalgo Jan 17
Call them by their name. They're following their own path.
So, by Pablo's definition, Revan would be considered a Jedi or Sith or just Revan (depending on timeline), Ahsoka would be considered an Ahsoka, and Qui-Gon would be considered a Jedi
This is the kind of jibber jabber that creeps in my head while waiting ALL DAY FOR THE NEW UNITS TO DROP!!!
PS - this was in reference to fixing the continuity problem with Rey being Rey Palpatine.
The truth of it is, we have no idea whats canon anymore. Once upon a time, Revan was canon, then he was not. He was almost included in an episode of clone wars and remade canon (along with Bane), then removed (you can still find the deleted scene online). Midichlorians have now been removed from canon even though they are a major plot point of half of the movies. Thrawn was removed from canon, then added again. There are books and stories out there that claim there are 3 aspects of the force; Ashla, Bogun, and Bendu, all of which have been partially remade canon by SWRebels. These stories center around the view that using only one side of the force (any side) is bad. This could be the direction we are going. We don't know.
In a side note, Disney/Lucasfilm told EA they could use any character from EA's games in SW:GOH canon or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
Midichlorians are still canon, I wish they expanded on them more like in the plagueis novel. That beig said they werent a major part of the movies, jsut a few lines here and there, not really needed.
Thrawns books like the thrawn trilogy was removed from canon, but his canon material has been released
For a time, there was no Thrawn in canon until rebels put him back in. The point was, that which is considered canon has changed, is changing, and will continue to change. Regardless, EA can still put their "non-canon" characters in Galaxy of Heroes.
Last Rebels episode did add Rukh to cannon. Though I found their portrayal of him lacking:
True. Most people dont know that people like James McAvoy
As much as I wish midichlorians were never introduced, they’re still canon. But idk why you say that they’re an important plot point. They were mentioned once in Phantom just so Lucas could pi$$ off fans of Empire, then they’re never mentioned again.
They are the force. False, they are merely microorgansims that interact with the force. And thus give a basis for genetics to play a factor, as well as establish some way to allow the jedi order to track jedi accross the galaxy and explain why the do and dont find certain jedi.
Id also like to point out given their completely minor inclusion intot he movies and peoples complaints is rather unjustified. They assume that as an idea that Midichlorians is inherently bad (with like 3 lines of dialogue of them mentioned in 3 movies, sooooo mentioned once every couple of hours).
But we already have a novel Darth Plagueis. Which despite not being canon, is a demonstration that a story can do well with midichlorians, despite him being specialist in the subject. And all because the writing was good, nothing to do with midichlorians being bad. Its just no one has tried and thus the main public havent got a lcue because they read random articles of haters, and this creates an echo chamber.
To me, theyre great, amazing even. So much better than all the ways other heroes are made, like seriously radioactive spider, turtles gaining super powers and sentiance from waste, or theyre so clever that they can just make what they want and be decades ahead of every other scientist in the world).
The force is still the force, its bind around all living things because it interacts with midichlorians which are in all living things (at least the ones we would care about). It gives a language more sophisticated than a religon to speak about the force, and advocates someone who isnt of a religous background but of a scientific background more ways to more the plot along or understand it
I’ve already previously named her gRey before this thread came out, and @Mcmole has a video coming out called “50 Shades of gRey”!
So please stop this post now, as we deserve full credit for her new nickname.
#nerfrey
Perfection
According to the books they are both solo kids but not sure how the movies will play it out.
Where does it say that?
Those are legends books they are no longer cannon since Disney. The new movies arent not based off them.
I think you are thinking of different characters, Jacen and Jania Solo. Not Kylo (Ben Solo) Ren and Rey Emanon.
No I'm assuming thats what ghostdog was thinking of otherwise i dont where they got that reys a solo from a book.
ok
What made the force so interesting in th OT is that it was closer to religion than biology. It used to be that to be able to use the force, you had to have complete faith in both it and yourself, not the right blood type or whatever. Luke didnt blow up the death star or turn vader back to the light cause he had the right number of blood mites, he accomplished those things because he had faith in himself and the force, and he belived that he could. He stayed true to who he was. In Empire, he couldnt lift his X-wing because he didn’t believe it was possible. Yoda could do it because the force had nothing to do with physical attributes.
The original interpretation of the force connects with general audiences because it makes you believe that if you try hard enough and truly believe in it, you can use the force. How many of us have tried to lift the TV remote from across the room when we were kids? I’d bet nearly everyone.
Midichlorians turn the force into a tangible thing that you either have or dont have. The force becomes strength of privilege instead of strength of character and conviction. You dont have to earn that power anymore, you’re born with it or you aren’t.
The force shouldn’t be something that can be quantified. Its properties and subtlties should be beyond the scope of what the characters understand. The force should inspire you and encourage you to be the best person you can be. Have faith in yourself and stick to your convictions. Don’t try to do things, do them.
But nah, its just blood mites.
Not to forget the idea "anything is possible if you just believe" trope, i want the force to be broken down and understood, the more that happens the less stupid deus ex machnias there are going to be, there needs to be boundaries. There can be wonder too, but thats not all it should be, after 1,000s of years of learning Id expect more from the jedi order, from Yoda
"The force shouldn’t be something that can be quantified." Yeh the mathematician in me so disagrees, of course people are going to run tests, experiments. You could almost replace just a few words and then use your entire paragraph to talk about gravity or electricity. People want to see more, you cant make a whole universe with a half cooked up idea, there needs to be some add-on, development. Or as I put in my previous comment change.
Han Solo never used the force? why did no one train him? Why did the OT make it out that only a few people could learn it, not everyone, just a few talented people like Luke. Luke saying Leia had that power too kinda implied there was some genetic reason for it, and the hippy answer of you can just feel it doesnt quite cover it
And it wouldnt sotp kids from wanting to use it, in the same way every kid wants to be ironman, or the hulk or even captain america. It doesnt matter what restrictions were on their gifts, jsut that it was possible.
What was said in Empire wasnt wrong, it was just one way of looking at it, more the jedi way of looking at it. The sith will have another interpretation, the nightsisters another. And Darthplagueis had his own idea of how the force worked, and people found that interesting. It wasnt religous in any way, it was as scientific as one gets and people loved the character despite the fact that according to OT hardcore fans what he says is pretty much blasphemous