Follow up Update on Sith Raid Rewards - 4/12/18 [MEGA]

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  • It was never needed to improve heroic rewards
    The actual Intention was to give t3 t4 t5 and t6 more useful loot for their time Investment and Reduce heroic to a more reasonable level
    Because no matter what you say it was completely overdropping g12 pieces

    So make your math again for t5 and t6 and let us know the difference for the actual targets of improvement ;)

    Did it improve below heroic?
  • Great work.

    But I think people are forgetting one factor. Those extra guild tokens allow us to purchase gear we want/need. Sometimes I rather get the tokens than gear I already have 2k.
  • Jeric
    259 posts Member
    It was never needed to improve heroic rewards
    The actual Intention was to give t3 t4 t5 and t6 more useful loot for their time Investment and Reduce heroic to a more reasonable level
    Because no matter what you say it was completely overdropping g12 pieces

    So make your math again for t5 and t6 and let us know the difference for the actual targets of improvement ;)

    Did it improve below heroic?

    "To our Heroic raiders: please take some time over the next couple of weeks and take a look at the aggregate GP lift among your guildmates... and the rate of growth in ALL players' ability to complete the raid, over the coming weeks"

    That was from CG yesterday. Just saying the implication is that there was going to be a net increase in heroic.
  • Maegor
    1217 posts Member
    Great work.

    But I think people are forgetting one factor. Those extra guild tokens allow us to purchase gear we want/need. Sometimes I rather get the tokens than gear I already have 2k.

    But they don't come close to making up for the lost value imo. Granted, I do think there is more value in having "free" currency than it being tied up in gear that you may not need. But some of these cuts we are seeing are deep. Fractions. What's an acceptable ratio of gear given compared to getting it's currency equivalent to spend freely? I'm not totally sure. Off the cuff, I say 75%. Certainly not what we are seeing right now though.
  • Well put @CG_Carrie ,

    Honest and sincere communication is all most of us want. Excellent job holding true to the new style of communication you’ve began here - one based on respect, honesty, and accountability.

    Best,
    Mikayas
  • Maegor
    1217 posts Member
    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    First off, good job @Maegor for all your hard work. You deserve respect for this impressive chart and all your data gathering.

    Howeve, i believe we are forgetting something important: there is no more challenge gear in this raid! I know quantities have gone down but overall quality has improved!

    (My guild only runs t4 and t5 so if i am way off base on heroic rewards I apologize)

    @Jedi_Bane
    The only challenge gear you were getting in heroic was from the tank raid. Trust me, every heroic raider would take back the old format in a heartbeat. It's weird to say it like this, but we were already conditioned in getting tank raid challenge gear, so it didn't sting too much. And seeing a full g12 + a healthy chance at getting additional partial full and tank fulls (top 3 boxes were getting 3, 4 and 5 full pieces, though never all full g12's, regularly), made up for seeing 70 tank challenge gear.

    tl:dr - heroic raiders weren't opening the box and getting disappointed with tank challenge gear. We got disappointed if we didn't get a full g12.
  • Tactyou
    756 posts Member
    Long term health and improvement = removal of useless gears, keep the full gold gear + new gear :)
  • Maegor
    1217 posts Member
    It was never needed to improve heroic rewards
    The actual Intention was to give t3 t4 t5 and t6 more useful loot for their time Investment and Reduce heroic to a more reasonable level
    Because no matter what you say it was completely overdropping g12 pieces

    So make your math again for t5 and t6 and let us know the difference for the actual targets of improvement ;)

    Did it improve below heroic?

    @Balthasar666
    I don't have any data on t5 or t6. Some I've heard from are ok with the changes, others say they are worse.

    Tell you what, you collect the data from pre change and post change, and I'll run the same spreadsheet.
  • Jeric
    259 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    That was an honest apology, and kudos to taking personal responsibility. However, if the implication is that we should wait and see, I repeat what I said in another thread ... I will do just that. If you are right, and I see the proof in the pudding, I'll resume supporting the game with vault purchases. Until then I will patiently wait and see.

    Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice ...
  • jedibaer71
    431 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    we started a t5 sith raid a few minutes ago. i post my zero, and when i get my rewards on saturday or sunday, it can only be a surprise.

    because for all my top-3 ranks in the past i got only **** rewards.

    i don‘t need the frustration and i can use my time better. perhaps i get a full gear piece...

    btw. pit and haat will only see my zero in the future and please don‘t change a thing in the old raids!
  • @CG_Carrie Thank you for the explanation. I'm sorry you have to deal with so many childish tantrums concerning issues like this. I think you guys are doing a top notch job trying to keep everyone happy.
  • Lame
  • I appreciate your update, clarity and assuming responsiblity. Can I offer an suggestion?
    Dump the entire random reward generation system and award us a proportionate number of various store credits so we can shop for what we need and not be disappointed by low quality, low quantity or horrible RNG where a top performer gets worse gear then a mid or low performer.
  • Screw you guys. You realized it was too good and people wouldn’t spend enough money on gear anymore. Have fun with all the spenders quitting the game and you feeling the effect of no spending that way. This post will maybe last two seconds, because of all your cronies monitoring the site and making it impossible to read and come to the forums to see anything of use, but it needed to be said. Bait and switch as always and now I can’t wait for the next panic farm to make people spend again because of the lost profits
  • To me this is just another stop in the CG apology tour.
  • Jeric
    259 posts Member
    @CG_Carrie Thank you for the explanation. I'm sorry you have to deal with so many childish tantrums concerning issues like this. I think you guys are doing a top notch job trying to keep everyone happy.

    Some of us have been reasonable in our complaints. I started off defending them and after seeing a reasonable amount of screenshots I had to withdraw my enthusiasm. I speak with a large enough cross-section of players so I'll know soon enough how valid this follow-up is. A few of us actually use statistical methodology in our real life careers so I don't need to rely on their data.
  • Banth
    158 posts Member
    Please excuse my bluntness. So, the next two weeks we all have to suffer from a mistake of "jumping the gun" on the decision to half rollout a change to rewards in the HARDEST piece of the game that people, myself included, spent a good chunk of money on to have the toons necessary to beat this "not very fun" campaign that we should feel "a sense of accomplishment" in beating?

    I'm sorry, I'm normally in support of devs and the business but NOT when mistakes are made and acknowledged, but not acted on immediately to reverse, a.k.a hotfix. This give us two weeks of **** rewards and we'll give you a few days of good rewards before we take them back again and give you something you've never seen the value of approach is absurd.

    Rant over...still not a happy PAYING customer.

    You should get a refund. You paid for something just like anything else you’d normally pay for and are entitled to a refund when something like this happens. You wouldn’t keep a broken Xbox controller would you? No, you’d return it. Do the same here.
  • Olddumper
    2829 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Can somebody fill me in on the original. Is more gear coming?
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