Territory War Matchmaker

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  • Shadegloom wrote: »
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    Lol you’ve noticed no issues, but there’s a thread dedicated to it. How about this:

    Date of TW: 9/23/2018
    Your Guild’s GP: 131,576,676
    Opposing team’s GP: 160,313,442
    # of my guild members who joined: 50/50
    # of opposing guild members who joined: 50/50

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  • SA_ZoneOfDanger
    2 posts Member
    edited September 23
    So about a 17 million GP mismatch for us on the TW that opened offense today. We had 50/50 participation and 24 defensive slots per territory, so max 47/50 on their side. Seems like matchmaking places too much emphasis on participation? It's very frustrating trying to play in this game mode when we're this overmatched. I agree with earlier statements about improved transparency in the matchmaking process so we can more easily know the difference between a somewhat difficult TW matchup and an issue worth reporting.
  • PAUBroksby
    77 posts Member
    edited September 23
    Date of TW: 9/17/18 (Vs. AAT Roadkill)
    Your Guild’s GP 67,000,000
    Opposing team’s GP: 98,000,000
    # of my guild members who joined: 46
    # of opposing guild members who joined: 36.


    Date of TW: 9/21/18 (vs Foreign Character named guild)
    My Guilds GP: 68,000,000
    Opposing Guild GP: 94,500,000
    # from my Guild joining: 40
    # from Opposing Guild joining: 36

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  • Soooo 3 hours into today's TW and here are the results of the 30 million gp gap...

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  • My bad, it took them 4 hours with their 30 million extra gp. Every 1 million gp = 10 fully developed teams. In this case they had 300 more fully developed teams then us.
  • I made a post and it got deleted for some reason,not retyping it all so whatever...matchmaking is broken plz fix it
  • We only won 1 TW in 4 months. We have 124 mill. gp. In the 4 months we never got a weaker opponent, nowdays we face full traya walls. We cant even do heroic sith, we need the JTR event to do it. After next JTR we will have 42 JTR teams. No we have only 25.
  • Todays TW.
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  • Sarith2017
    346 posts Member
    edited September 24
    Date of TW: Sept 9-11
    Your guilds GP: 135mgp (Nerfherder Union)
    Their guilds GP: 189mgp (Alliance Alpha)
    # of my guild who joined: 48
    # of opposing guild who joined: unknown
    We had to set 21 teams per territory.
    They beat us 10-0 in about 5 hours.
    They had 45 Trayas, we had 0

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  • We joined with 48 people and now facing a gp even matched guild, but they have less everything. So they lose.
    As I posted many time fixes, I try again.
    You guys at CG could implement an Prestige system. They start in their GP bracket and get Prestige points: 120mio - 100 Prestige, 150 Mio - 200 Prestige and so on. Winning gives an amount of Prestige, losing takes some away. The amount is scaled by GP. This prevents guild from letting out people and prevents miss matches, because of Prestige matching and GP Prestige gain. Now just reminding for "SEASONAL REWARDS". Win/lose can give the same rewards as it is, but seasonal should give awesomene rewards. Leaderboard is taking the total Prestige at the end and the biggest whale guild can claim rewards for first. This also prevents guild hopping for more rewards, because you have to be in your guilds, for let's say 65% of the time.
    Thank me later CG guy who is in charge of TW.
  • I think whoever is in charge of territory war matchmaking should be fired and not be eligible for unemployment, food stamps, and happiness.
  • Date of TW: Sep 20 AEST
    Your Guild: S1th Happens Again
    Your Guild’s GP: 130M (achieved Sep 17)
    Opposing Guild’s GP: 157M
    Opposing in-play GP: unknowable
    # of my guild members who joined: 47
    # of opposing guild members who joined: unknowable, 23 squads/territory
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    Posted 20 Sep in TW as “25+ Traya V none”
    They had 36 Traya in defence including 5x G12, we had NONE at all, not to mention the strength of the squads needed to get so many Traya characters.
    They cleared toons in about 13h 20m, ships took 14h+. We did not win Hangar or Supply Depot
    Traya: —> 36 V 0
  • Date of TW: today's
    My guild gp: 62M submitted
    Opposing Guild: 128M total. No way to check submitted
    #of my guild who joined: 35/42
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  • There are lots of people saying it’s “unknowable” how many of the opposing guild signed up for TW.

    It is (almost) knowable every time.

    Whichever guild has fewest members, the TW rules divide that number by 2 (or add 1 then divide 2, if it was an odd number that signed up) to give the number of squads per zone.

    So @GreatObisRaven you had 35 sign up. That would mean 18 squads per zone. If it was LESS than that, you can work out how many of them signed up. If it was 18, you know at least 35 of them signed up.

    @Rag_Scrag 23 squads means they had either 45 or 46 sign up. Mind you, the traya imbalance is critical in TW, that’s for sure.

    @Sarith2017 for 21 squads they only had 41 or 42 sign up. But again, the traya imbalance makes it an impossible mission.

    Our guild has just fought a TW with 46 signing up, all with Traya. Enemy had 20 Traya. We’ve cleared entire top of the map and have 4 teams left to clear in 2b. They have not been able to clear either of our traya zones in 2a, 2b.
  • Date: 9/23
    My guild: 92 mill GP
    Opposing: 116 mill GP
    Signed up: 46/50
    Opposing: Don't know
    20 squads per territory
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  • 39 or 40 signed up.
  • ObiJuanPollo
    596 posts Member
    edited September 24
    9/23-24

    Resilience GP: 111M
    Lithuanian GP: 125M
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    I dont see how it could be a fair fight with an opponent who has 200+ more g12 and 200+ more zetas. I think the dsr bot could do a better job matching guilds
  • Date of TW: 9/23/2018
    Our Guilds GP: 142,623,091
    Opposing teams GP: 162,111,408
    # of my guild members who joined: 50/50
    # of opposing guild members who joined: 48/50

    ~20 Million GP Difference
    ~249 Zeta Difference
    ~430 G12 Difference
    ~330 G11 Difference
    ~50 Average Arena Rank Difference
    ~20 Traya Difference
    ~32 zzTraya Difference
    ~35 G11 Traya Difference

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  • jkray622
    579 posts Member
    edited September 24
    Territory War: 9/21-9/24
    My Guild - https://swgoh.gg/g/3263/the-republic/
    My guild GP - 139M
    Guild members registered - 50

    Opposing Guild - https://swgoh.gg/g/3806/rebel-force-mustafar/
    Opposing Guild GP - 143M
    Opposing guild members registered - 49 or 50

    Seems like a pretty fair matchup, except for:
    They have 400 more g11+ characters than we do (1,725 vs 2,135)
    They have 150 more zetas than we do (1,060 vs 1,195)
    They have 35 more Trayas than we do (5 vs 40)

    Most of our recent matchups have been fair. This one wasn't even close, and wasn't fun at all.

    Edit - Sorry for the formatting. It looks good in the "composition", but apparently spaces and double spaces all go out the window when it posts.
  • Sorry for the double post, but I just thought a reasonable solution is to have handicaps like pro bowlers/golfers. If rhere is a large enough GP discrepancy then the lower guild shpuld receive bonuses like we have in TB or the larger guild should have penalties
  • Yuejandan52
    77 posts Member
    edited September 25
    Date of TW: 22-24 September 2018

    Your Guild’s GP: 159 mil (Pancake Clan)

    Opposing team’s GP: 177 mil (Empire Vengeance)

    # of my guild members who joined: 50

    # of opposing guild members who joined: 47

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  • In September we have been matched with Guilds about 20-30M higher than us every TW. It's absolutely frustrating and definitely no fun anymore.

    September 1st
    Our Guild's GP: 86M (Holocron Secrets)
    45 Guild Members joined
    Opposing team's GP: 110M (Bundesrepublik)
    39 opposing guild members

    September 17th
    Our Guild's GP: 90M (Holocron Secrets)
    45 Guild Members joined
    Opposing team's GP: 120M (Imperio Lunar)
    40 opposing guild members

    Our Guild's GP: 93M (Holocron Secrets)
    45 Guild Members joined
    Opposing team's GP: 120M (Vikings)
    40 opposing guild members
  • Date of TW: 22-24 September 2018

    Your Guild’s GP: 159 mil (Pancake Clan)

    Opposing team’s GP: 177 mil (Empire Vengeance)

    # of my guild members who joined: 50

    # of opposing guild members who joined: 48-49

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    47 joined - ppl on vacation and one got drunk and missed it lol
  • Date of TW: 22-24 September 2018
    Your Guild’s GP: 107M (https://swgoh.gg/g/15062/maestri-della-forza/)
    Opposing team’s GP: 132M (https://swgoh.gg/g/2252/rebel-invasion/)
    # of my guild members who joined: 44
    # of opposing guild members who joined: 41-42 (Maybe)

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  • HJoci30 wrote: »
    We only won 1 TW in 4 months. We have 124 mill. gp. In the 4 months we never got a weaker opponent, nowdays we face full traya walls. We cant even do heroic sith, we need the JTR event to do it. After next JTR we will have 42 JTR teams. No we have only 25.

    I guess this anecdote discounts the possibility that the matchmaker takes win-loss record into account. It's a sad state of affairs.

    I sympathize with the devs, though. Guild pairing is a complex, N-dimensional problem. It requires a sophisticated solver to produce matchups that seem "fair." This should have been in development since before beta testing was completed.

    The problem just gets harder to solve when new meta-defining characters are introduced, unless you have a very smart, easily adjusted, adaptive algorithm. Even then, tuning the system would be a daunting task, and keeping it tuned for all the marquees would feel almost futile.
  • AnzaPanza
    15 posts Member
    edited September 24
    September 10 TW...
    Our oppenent:
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    At that time, our active gp was around 89mil and 48 joined.
    Have no idea how many joined from the opposing guild.

    September 18 TW
    Our opponent:
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    Our active gp was around 90mil and 48 joined.
    Again, have no idea how many from the opposing guild joined.

    This last TW, we were evenly matched for a change.

  • Date of TW: 22nd - 24th of September
    Your Guild’s GP: 52,696,980
    Opposing team’s GP: About 90,000,000
    # of my guild members who joined: 41
    # of opposing guild members who joined: Unknown
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    I make character kits! Ask me and I will try my best to make one for fun.
  • To me, a reasonable fix would be: Matchmaking is based only off of total guild GP NOT active gp. The swing should not be more than 5-10 million. If members fail to register for the war, they will just have to make do and could fall short.
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