I am worried as OP is. I am afraid this Vader team could classify as a "lower investment" team. And we know what happened the last time they used this term....
So you think didnt realize any of this, and the GLs + luke + vader were totally independent and they never considered interactions?
And I guess all thise considerations couldn't be why things like this take so long.
Please, be trigger happy elsewhere. Take your ad hominem arguments to the trashcan where they belong.
Hilarious! Love it.
So is this an admission that they don't bother testing anything?
Or that GLs have almost ruined the game by being so OP, and they need a counter?
I am worried as OP is. I am afraid this Vader team could classify as a "lower investment" team. And we know what happened the last time they used this term....
So you think didnt realize any of this, and the GLs + luke + vader were totally independent and they never considered interactions?
And I guess all thise considerations couldn't be why things like this take so long.
It's not like they missed some obvious interactions with new characters ever before, right?
They've missed interactions with new toons and old toons. Not so much a few new toons released together.
I am worried as OP is. I am afraid this Vader team could classify as a "lower investment" team. And we know what happened the last time they used this term....
So you think didnt realize any of this, and the GLs + luke + vader were totally independent and they never considered interactions?
And I guess all these considerations couldn't be why things like this take so long.
Please, be trigger happy elsewhere. Take your ad hominem arguments to the trashcan where they belong.
Who's trigger happy? It's day 1 and you're talking about possibility of nerfing a toon that dozens of ppl have posted about wanting to have a rework. Why is it so crazy to think the devs thought it through already?
And again, he's not some random tweak. He followed Luke, and was released on Father's day so they had a very deliberate timeline. It also happened shortly after GL releases with obvious interactions.
Tell me that's not all intentional. Yeah, I'm the trigger happy one.
I am worried as OP is. I am afraid this Vader team could classify as a "lower investment" team. And we know what happened the last time they used this term....
So you think didnt realize any of this, and the GLs + luke + vader were totally independent and they never considered interactions?
And I guess all thise considerations couldn't be why things like this take so long.
It's not like they missed some obvious interactions with new characters ever before, right?
They've missed interactions with new toons and old toons. Not so much a few new toons released together.
They missed the best debuff-centric lead as a counter for a self-debuffing team. It doesn't get more obvious than that...
rey has luke and slkr has vader. one is better on D, one is better on O. they both have multiple counters and can be beat. slkr has the advantage in the old hsth, rey and luke have the massive advantage in lsgeotb. bTalk about balanced, by CG
Vader is fine, the real problem are plug'n'play characters. Thrawn is one (possibly two) trick pony (thats not problem), however Wat Tambor is in every new team composition that counter new meta. He was released in June 2019 and after 3-4 months release relics. With every new character this would be issue. I prefer the idea, that Wat Tambor have even stronger synergy with droids/sepparatist then other faction.
Wat Tambor
Now kit:
Chiewab Medpac: Recover 5% Health and Protection at the start of every character's turn, and 5% bonus Protection if this character is a Separatist
Baktoid Shield Generator: At the start of turn, recover 30% Protection and dispel own debuffs; Tanks Taunt while they have Protection
BlasTech Weapon Mod: Gain 15% Turn Meter at the start of each enemy's turn; Attacks ignore defense and enemies defeated by this character can't be revived
New kit:
Chiewab Medpac: Recover 3% Health and Protection at the start of every character's turn, and 10% bonus Protection if this character is a Separatist (lower % for everybody, increase % protection for separatist)
Baktoid Shield Generator: At the start of turn, recover 30% Protection and if the target is sepparatist/droid dispel own debuffs; Tanks Taunt while they have Protection (change dispel only for sepparatist/droid)
BlasTech Weapon Mod: Gain 15% Turn Meter at the start of each enemy's turn; Attacks ignore defense and enemies defeated by this character can't be revived (same)
The other side is little touch up for Rey - increase her synergy with resistance:
Rey
All characters gain tenacity +1 % for every light side hero and + 5 % tenacity for every resistance hero (including Rey). Thats +10 to +30 % for team. (enhance passive or leader ability).
They should make GLRey better PvP choice again - it's double fraud after SLKR buff and now Palp-Vader cheap counter. What the hell we were paying for buying those Resistance Heroes shards (as GLRey wasn't f2p friendly with RH Poe became farmable at the day event launched)?
Palp Vader is not a cheap counter. It requires 2 legendaries and also wat. It requires insane mods and r7. I have the team relicd with okayish mods and I can’t beat Rey. Not even close. All relicd too
rey has luke and slkr has vader. one is better on D, one is better on O. they both have multiple counters and can be beat. slkr has the advantage in the old hsth, rey and luke have the massive advantage in lsgeotb. bTalk about balanced, by CG
We want rock, paper, scissors, they said
Please enlight me with the multiple counters for Kylo. I am eager to know.
And I love your definition of massive advantage for Rey, very funny, I am sure 2 more waves will definitively make the LSgeoTB accessible for everyone. Hsith is not "old" as you try to fool people, it is still the best way by far for G12 G12+ materials, and you can do it twice a week instead of LSgeoTB every 2 months.
Anyway, nice try in your rhetoric to manipulate opinion and transform reality. You are really funny
Palp Vader is not a cheap counter. It requires 2 legendaries and also wat. It requires insane mods and r7. I have the team relicd with okayish mods and I can’t beat Rey. Not even close. All relicd too
We are talking end-game players with every toon unlocked, modded and geared up properly. Palp-Vader-Thrawn-Wat is insanely cheap counter to Galactic Legend from my perspective
Palp Vader is not a cheap counter. It requires 2 legendaries and also wat. It requires insane mods and r7. I have the team relicd with okayish mods and I can’t beat Rey. Not even close. All relicd too
We are talking end-game players with every toon unlocked, modded and geared up properly. Palp-Vader-Thrawn-Wat is insanely cheap counter to Galactic Legend from my perspective
Yea. It is a cheap counter. And the way to make Rey at least counter this, is say maybe, she can only have x debuffs or something. Speed at this point, isn’t going to help. A fast Vader can outspeed her entire team now anyway
So. You are looking a gifted horse in the mouth. Yeah ok, I now officially believe that the devs should just ignore everybody. I mean they literally gift us a touch up on fathers day that people have been asking for, and you are still not pleased and continue to complain. If doing what they want ends in people complaining, and doing what people want ends in people complaining, what's the point. Might as well do whatever they want so they get some enjoyment out of that at least.
Palp Vader is not a cheap counter. It requires 2 legendaries and also wat. It requires insane mods and r7. I have the team relicd with okayish mods and I can’t beat Rey. Not even close. All relicd too
We are talking end-game players with every toon unlocked, modded and geared up properly. Palp-Vader-Thrawn-Wat is insanely cheap counter to Galactic Legend from my perspective
The people you are talking about dont need to worry. They have everything unlocked and reliced and modded. They can switch to Kylo and Vader can go home. For them its a nice addition to their TW- and GAC-portfolio.
Many people who might want to use this counter will have to divert scarce resources that they saved for Rey, Kylo, Jedi Luke or whatever. Ultimately, this squad is vulnerable to many other squads. It is not a squad that you can use to do your daily arena battles and then go to bed. It is expensive for many and I´d call it a luxury squad given the current state of the game.
Lol they chat banned me for talkong about not spending anymore money on this game. Whoch I had no idea was a TOS violation. No warning. No heads up. You may get a temp chat ban like I did fyi.
So. You are looking a gifted horse in the mouth. Yeah ok, I now officially believe that the devs should just ignore everybody. I mean they literally gift us a touch up on fathers day that people have been asking for, and you are still not pleased and continue to complain. If doing what they want ends in people complaining, and doing what people want ends in people complaining, what's the point. Might as well do whatever they want so they get some enjoyment out of that at least.
Sure, spenders can also just stop spending when they (we) feel they (we) were swindled - and it gonna hurt revenues or even shut down the game completely. I paid (not much but still) to get GLRey (and many times before for 4+ years, over a couple of thousands I guess) and now feel decieved enough to keep wallet shut. Not a single cent to get SLKR faster (already 90% ready) or JKLuke.
F2p until they fix this mess, including Rey vs SLKR disadvantage (again, we paid for better PvP toon - by initial kits, before SLKR was buffed - and now have worse one of two)
They should make GLRey better PvP choice again - it's double fraud after SLKR buff and now Palp-Vader cheap counter. What the hell we were paying for buying those Resistance Heroes shards (as GLRey wasn't f2p friendly with RH Poe became farmable at the day event launched)?
RH Finn is hardly a waste!
JTR, BB8, R2, C3PO and RH Finn got me 16 waves (by themselves) last LSTB — and the team finished with max H/P! This is currently by far the easiest 4/4 team in LSTB.
So. You are looking a gifted horse in the mouth. Yeah ok, I now officially believe that the devs should just ignore everybody. I mean they literally gift us a touch up on fathers day that people have been asking for, and you are still not pleased and continue to complain. If doing what they want ends in people complaining, and doing what people want ends in people complaining, what's the point. Might as well do whatever they want so they get some enjoyment out of that at least.
Sure, spenders can also just stop spending when they (we) feel they (we) were swindled - and it gonna hurt revenues or even shut down the game completely. I paid (not much but still) to get GLRey (and many times before for 4+ years, over a couple of thousands I guess) and now feel decieved enough to keep wallet shut. Not a single cent to get SLKR faster (already 90% ready) or JKLuke.
F2p until they fix this mess, including Rey vs SLKR disadvantage (again, we paid for better PvP toon - by initial kits, before SLKR was buffed - and now have worse one of two)
Eh. I suppose that's fair too. Still shouldn't look a gifted horse in the mouth, but at the same time I can see what you mean.
They should make GLRey better PvP choice again - it's double fraud after SLKR buff and now Palp-Vader cheap counter. What the hell we were paying for buying those Resistance Heroes shards (as GLRey wasn't f2p friendly with RH Poe became farmable at the day event launched)?
RH Finn is hardly a waste!
JTR, BB8, R2, C3PO and RH Finn got me 16 waves (by themselves) last LSTB — and the team finished with max H/P! This is currently by far the easiest 4/4 team in LSTB.
So. You are looking a gifted horse in the mouth. Yeah ok, I now officially believe that the devs should just ignore everybody. I mean they literally gift us a touch up on fathers day that people have been asking for, and you are still not pleased and continue to complain. If doing what they want ends in people complaining, and doing what people want ends in people complaining, what's the point. Might as well do whatever they want so they get some enjoyment out of that at least.
Sure, spenders can also just stop spending when they (we) feel they (we) were swindled - and it gonna hurt revenues or even shut down the game completely. I paid (not much but still) to get GLRey (and many times before for 4+ years, over a couple of thousands I guess) and now feel decieved enough to keep wallet shut. Not a single cent to get SLKR faster (already 90% ready) or JKLuke.
F2p until they fix this mess, including Rey vs SLKR disadvantage (again, we paid for better PvP toon - by initial kits, before SLKR was buffed - and now have worse one of two)
GL Rey is still an amazingly powerful character. She's not useless in any way, shape or form.
Lol they chat banned me for talkong about not spending anymore money on this game. Whoch I had no idea was a TOS violation. No warning. No heads up. You may get a temp chat ban like I did fyi.
You are allowed to say that you dont want to spend money anymore. You are not allowed to try to encourage others to do the same or start a "no-spending campaign".
I can't see us "encouraging" anyone, just talking about how we feel ourselves and how other spenders might feel now after they (we) paid to get GLRey. No campaign at all
Lol they chat banned me for talkong about not spending anymore money on this game. Whoch I had no idea was a TOS violation. No warning. No heads up. You may get a temp chat ban like I did fyi.
You are allowed to say that you dont want to spend money anymore. You are not allowed to try to encourage others to do the same or start a "no-spending campaign".
Ah ok. I did say something that encouraged folks to not spend as I was frustrated. But I wasnt aware it was TOS. Thanks for the info.
Palp Vader is not a cheap counter. It requires 2 legendaries and also wat. It requires insane mods and r7. I have the team relicd with okayish mods and I can’t beat Rey. Not even close. All relicd too
We are talking end-game players with every toon unlocked, modded and geared up properly. Palp-Vader-Thrawn-Wat is insanely cheap counter to Galactic Legend from my perspective
If your talking end game players the. What’s the problem?
They likely have GL Rey also and most other characters.
I think he is speaking about vador touch up that gives players another cheap counter to gl rey. Kylo is still untouchable by non gl
That is so not true! Every GL Rey counter is rng dependent and/or needs to use Wat Tambor, which makes it not accesible for everyone and also not 100% reliable even with perfect modding. GL Kylo on the other hand can still be countered by DR teams, even without Wat. There are no GL counters to both teams and that is a good thing.
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Please, be trigger happy elsewhere. Take your ad hominem arguments to the trashcan where they belong.
So is this an admission that they don't bother testing anything?
Or that GLs have almost ruined the game by being so OP, and they need a counter?
They've missed interactions with new toons and old toons. Not so much a few new toons released together.
Who's trigger happy? It's day 1 and you're talking about possibility of nerfing a toon that dozens of ppl have posted about wanting to have a rework. Why is it so crazy to think the devs thought it through already?
And again, he's not some random tweak. He followed Luke, and was released on Father's day so they had a very deliberate timeline. It also happened shortly after GL releases with obvious interactions.
Tell me that's not all intentional. Yeah, I'm the trigger happy one.
They missed the best debuff-centric lead as a counter for a self-debuffing team. It doesn't get more obvious than that...
You are totally right on this one. The strategy of CG is clearly to make Rey beatable to force whale to go for Kylo now
If just luke was as easy to unlock like vader...
Wat Tambor
Now kit:
Chiewab Medpac: Recover 5% Health and Protection at the start of every character's turn, and 5% bonus Protection if this character is a Separatist
Baktoid Shield Generator: At the start of turn, recover 30% Protection and dispel own debuffs; Tanks Taunt while they have Protection
BlasTech Weapon Mod: Gain 15% Turn Meter at the start of each enemy's turn; Attacks ignore defense and enemies defeated by this character can't be revived
New kit:
Chiewab Medpac: Recover 3% Health and Protection at the start of every character's turn, and 10% bonus Protection if this character is a Separatist (lower % for everybody, increase % protection for separatist)
Baktoid Shield Generator: At the start of turn, recover 30% Protection and if the target is sepparatist/droid dispel own debuffs; Tanks Taunt while they have Protection (change dispel only for sepparatist/droid)
BlasTech Weapon Mod: Gain 15% Turn Meter at the start of each enemy's turn; Attacks ignore defense and enemies defeated by this character can't be revived (same)
The other side is little touch up for Rey - increase her synergy with resistance:
Rey
All characters gain tenacity +1 % for every light side hero and + 5 % tenacity for every resistance hero (including Rey). Thats +10 to +30 % for team. (enhance passive or leader ability).
Please enlight me with the multiple counters for Kylo. I am eager to know.
And I love your definition of massive advantage for Rey, very funny, I am sure 2 more waves will definitively make the LSgeoTB accessible for everyone. Hsith is not "old" as you try to fool people, it is still the best way by far for G12 G12+ materials, and you can do it twice a week instead of LSgeoTB every 2 months.
Anyway, nice try in your rhetoric to manipulate opinion and transform reality. You are really funny
We are talking end-game players with every toon unlocked, modded and geared up properly. Palp-Vader-Thrawn-Wat is insanely cheap counter to Galactic Legend from my perspective
Yea. It is a cheap counter. And the way to make Rey at least counter this, is say maybe, she can only have x debuffs or something. Speed at this point, isn’t going to help. A fast Vader can outspeed her entire team now anyway
The people you are talking about dont need to worry. They have everything unlocked and reliced and modded. They can switch to Kylo and Vader can go home. For them its a nice addition to their TW- and GAC-portfolio.
Many people who might want to use this counter will have to divert scarce resources that they saved for Rey, Kylo, Jedi Luke or whatever. Ultimately, this squad is vulnerable to many other squads. It is not a squad that you can use to do your daily arena battles and then go to bed. It is expensive for many and I´d call it a luxury squad given the current state of the game.
Sure, spenders can also just stop spending when they (we) feel they (we) were swindled - and it gonna hurt revenues or even shut down the game completely. I paid (not much but still) to get GLRey (and many times before for 4+ years, over a couple of thousands I guess) and now feel decieved enough to keep wallet shut. Not a single cent to get SLKR faster (already 90% ready) or JKLuke.
F2p until they fix this mess, including Rey vs SLKR disadvantage (again, we paid for better PvP toon - by initial kits, before SLKR was buffed - and now have worse one of two)
JTR, BB8, R2, C3PO and RH Finn got me 16 waves (by themselves) last LSTB — and the team finished with max H/P! This is currently by far the easiest 4/4 team in LSTB.
Eh. I suppose that's fair too. Still shouldn't look a gifted horse in the mouth, but at the same time I can see what you mean.
Who in the world cares about TB anyway?
GL Rey is still an amazingly powerful character. She's not useless in any way, shape or form.
You are allowed to say that you dont want to spend money anymore. You are not allowed to try to encourage others to do the same or start a "no-spending campaign".
Ah ok. I did say something that encouraged folks to not spend as I was frustrated. But I wasnt aware it was TOS. Thanks for the info.
If your talking end game players the. What’s the problem?
They likely have GL Rey also and most other characters.
That is so not true!