Change to Hera's 1st special
October 19, 2020 1:30PM
edited October 2020
Hi @CG_Doja_Fett i'm really happy you're joining Crumb in the community section, and I have been loving what you have been doing recently. I just wanted to say something about a recent change concerning the Phoenix faction.
On Hera's first special she was once able to cleanse all non-locked debuffs from any Phoenix ally with the Zeta on, so long as she wasn't stunned herself. But for the past month or so that hasn't been happening, as she can no longer remove certain debuffs like 'Stun' or 'Daze' from them, which has removed 60%+ of their use for me in GAC and TW, as I can't beat JKR, Night sisters, Palpatin lead or CLS if certain allies are stunned or Dazed.
Members of my guild have also noticed it in TW. If this was a change made due to the wording in her kit, then I don't like it for a few reasons:
1: it nerfs their counter viability against teams like Night sisters, Palpatine lead and CLS as mentioned above.
2: It can also affect free to play players who decide to go down the Phoenix route, as the Zeta won't provide much benefit anymore in the early game.
So I was wondering if this would it be fixed/reverted back to it's original state soon? As it would be highly appreciated from me, and also for beginning players who might use them. An easy way of changing this would be to slightly change the wording in the ability to where is cleanses target Phoenix ally from ALL cleansable debuffs, and then calls them to assist. A very simple change which would go a long way, so I hope this is changed soon. Also I may get comments from people, and that's fine.
On Hera's first special she was once able to cleanse all non-locked debuffs from any Phoenix ally with the Zeta on, so long as she wasn't stunned herself. But for the past month or so that hasn't been happening, as she can no longer remove certain debuffs like 'Stun' or 'Daze' from them, which has removed 60%+ of their use for me in GAC and TW, as I can't beat JKR, Night sisters, Palpatin lead or CLS if certain allies are stunned or Dazed.
Members of my guild have also noticed it in TW. If this was a change made due to the wording in her kit, then I don't like it for a few reasons:
1: it nerfs their counter viability against teams like Night sisters, Palpatine lead and CLS as mentioned above.
2: It can also affect free to play players who decide to go down the Phoenix route, as the Zeta won't provide much benefit anymore in the early game.
So I was wondering if this would it be fixed/reverted back to it's original state soon? As it would be highly appreciated from me, and also for beginning players who might use them. An easy way of changing this would be to slightly change the wording in the ability to where is cleanses target Phoenix ally from ALL cleansable debuffs, and then calls them to assist. A very simple change which would go a long way, so I hope this is changed soon. Also I may get comments from people, and that's fine.
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I will search for a note if this is mentioned in an update, but from the way its worded and if it was operating differently before, it sounds like a fix to match the description and intent of the skill. but thats just a guess on my part.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/235551/content-update-09-09-2020
it was a bug fix for Daze and I imagine that they use a link between daze and stun to apply effects like this which is why it also effects how stun works.
the current state seems to be WAI.
"Call another target ally to assist. That ally's attack has +50% Potency and deals +35% more damage. If target ally is Phoenix, Dispell all debuffs on them, reduce their cooldowns by 1 and grant them 50% turn meter."
I get what you mean by this as the animation is the same as Bastilla's, minus the buffs, and has been for years. but the wording is slightly different to Bastilla's ability. But non the less I think they should reword it a bit and make it cleanse ALL non-locked debuffs. That wouldn't take long and it brings the team back into viability against the ones I mentioned, as well as for Free to play players.
I was talking about if you click on "mechanics" in swgoh.gg. It actually calls the cleanse first. Thrawn's Fracture wording also says deal damage first but it really comes last.
I don't know what's intended, but keep in mind Phoenix didn't start with zetas--they were added later. It seems odd to add a zeta investment cleanse if it was not intended to circumvent debuffs that could shut the ability down.
If she was able to target stunned and dazed allies without the zeta, that's a bug. But to not have a check if the zeta is there seems like a lazy fix like was done with Jyn's tmr.
You’re asking whether or not Hera’s zeta would help. So what I’m saying is your zetas are far too valuable to waste on Phoenix given they won’t do much to help you against the teams you’re having trouble against.
You can go ahead and zeta Phoenix if you wish 🤷🏻♂️
As damage is concerned, Zeb and Ezra can hit for nearly 100K regularly, and sabine's AOE can reach 50K, which is more than enough for me. So i will stick with them, as i have tones of fun, and if CG revert this small error then it will continue. End of.
“You’re not thinking” 😂 I don’t read minds. No need to get so defensive
I highlited the debuffs Ezra was inflicted by when JKT marked him, and like you stated what this Lazy fix is saying is that it can cleanse every non-locked debuff from him, but because he's stunned it can't so not only am I wondering what was going through their minds but a G13 team like this is something my Phx could stand up to...if they had only just reworded the ability description.
The ability is worded the way it is and it functions as worded, it was previously not WAI, and was fixed.
I can't think of a single team that could not be made better or more effective if they had an ability reworded to be more beneficial to the team.
I wasnt saying the fix was to make them better, it was to make it WAI, and WAD.
What you want would be a change to the description to make them function the way you want, (the way they were when it was not WAI). That would be a change that would be a buff and make them more effective.
I was pointing out that every team has a descriptions that could be changed to make the team function better. But that doesn't mean that's the intent behind the kit design.
I understand but the previous way it worked was not working as intended or as described. That was the mistake.
It only cleanses the buff if the target called is Phoenix, but you cannot call a dazed or stunned target to assist. This is what way it has always been, which is what made the previous way it worked wrong.
This is why I was saying, that you want a change that any team could use to perform better. They would need to change the description (and the design intent) to have it operate differently than previously designed. Any team could use this, but that is not something that is regularly done, as teams are balance to be roughly in the tier they are in.