I'm actually looking forward to these Rebels. Tarkin's Intimidation Tactics can't be resisted by Rebels. Per Krennic's unique, Krennic and DT gain 10% crit damage per Rebel enemy and per debuffed enemy. Potentially a 100% crit damage increase against Rebels. Krennic's Experimental Weaponry inflicts speed down on Rebels. Deathtrooper's basic attacks twice on Rebel enemies with a potential to inflict daze and stun. I say bring it on.
Just for some warriness: r2 zeta crit on cleanse can possibly happen quite often as luke has that ridiculous +50% crit chance with call to action, Han Solo has basically 100% crit chance, Ahsoka can be immune to debuffs. The saving grace would be Deathtrooper's basic attacks, but for the other **** I'm a bit worried....
But on the other hand Tarkin's AoE debuff is critical chance down and offence down. That will help lower the rebels crit chance, so they can't cleanse themselves as easily.
Maybe the time has come to try something like DK lead, Thrawn, Tarkin, DT, and Snow? Thrawn starts by swapping TM with Tarkin, who does his debuff and AoE tm reduction, then Snow (modded for 65% base crit at least) can keep AoEing to keep the enemy team ability blocked, while DK does his AoE stagger, and DT increases their CDs. Thing is, tho, that you have to inflict ability block on them before they can use a tenacity up or cleanse...
For you dark side players. I run a sith squad with zDN as leader. I just got another zeta and was going to put it on Savage as I have read on the forum that it works well under a DN lead. But was curious if I should first zeta DN unique. Would that be beneficial at all over Savage? Or I could work on my empire team and give the zeta to Tarkin.
@johnnysocks71 I reccomend nihilus unique, it dosent get blocked by tenacity so even vs triple cleanse you'll always have at least 1 garenteed cd reduc on debuffed character.
@johnnysocks71 I reccomend nihilus unique, it dosent get blocked by tenacity so even vs triple cleanse you'll always have at least 1 garenteed cd reduc on debuffed character.
@Durrun Thanks for replying. Appreciated. I wasn't sure, because a lot of people on the forum said Zavage is a beast under DN. I haven't been using Savage in arena as I swapped him out to be able to use SA and ST. So maybe I will save it for DN unique.
Savage is a powerhouse for sure but a lot of his survival is stacking heals, he can lifesteal quite well but if you miss an attack with him he can die to wiggs or Chirrut max dmg attack, use him if you have a lot of debuff heavy squads in arena, otherwise ST is godly under the right conditions and SA is a garenteed must on any team with 2 or more sith
@johnnysocks71 I reccomend nihilus unique, it dosent get blocked by tenacity so even vs triple cleanse you'll always have at least 1 garenteed cd reduc on debuffed character.
Not true. DN's special doesn't apply a tenacity check, but his unique certainly does.
can someone explain TFP to me?? why is it used a lot? not to sound **** just curious
He's super fast... fastest character in the game currently
His ability block and buff blocks can be super annoying... plus he gets foresight constantly making him a pain to kill... and he does very solid damage.
can someone explain TFP to me?? why is it used a lot? not to sound **** just curious
He's super fast... fastest character in the game currently
His ability block and buff blocks can be super annoying... plus he gets foresight constantly making him a pain to kill... and he does very solid damage.
In addition, he gains a lot of tm, so his speed is significantly magnified.
What about vanilla stormtrooper? With all the counters, seems like a lot of tm reduction
Stormtrooper can indeed be good against CLS led teams. He starts the battle with +230% defense in a full Empire team and combined to Tarkin's Ultimate Firepower, TM can be reduced a lot (50% from Tarkin and 50% from AoE counter).
I was also thinking of a Gar Saxon's led team to counter CLS (Rebel counter vs Empire counter). Saxon, ISC, DT, Thrawn, Tarkin/Storm. StormT in such team can be good since he can expose on his basic and reduce TM for the rebel counters.
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
Who goes first?
You guys had a riot? On account o' me? My very own riot?
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
You need to have a faster toon than Poe. Thrawn is perfect against them. If Poe can taunt, it's almost over
So, what's the consensus on best way to counter CLS teams?
It's a shame to say... but I think adding R2 into the team for his stealth (to negate counter attacks) is the best solution...
I would probably run no tank (since the value of taunt is greatly diminished with Luke & Han on those teams) and do something like...
Thrawn (L), DT, Nihilus, Krennic & R2
Would be an annoying team to fight for sure...
Haven't lost to CLS / zSolo teams yet using a dual tank team with Shore & Storm - zThrawn lead + DN and DT
Thrawn can fracture one unit and being a rebel, DT can pin another with his basic. Additionally, his terminate does 20k+ CD against these rebels and Han is pretty squish and can die quickly.
It's really amazing how effective Storm is as a taunter and taking TM when no ten up is involved.
DT is huge because even one dazed / stunned target to pick off really lets you avoid being countered ... and you have the fractured target as well. I'm not finding CLS lead to be a problem really.
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
You need to have a faster toon than Poe. Thrawn is perfect against them. If Poe can taunt, it's almost over
Thanks, then I need more speed on Thrawn, now he is only 241.
Haven't lost to CLS / zSolo teams yet using a dual tank team with Shore & Storm - zThrawn lead + DN and DT
Thrawn can fracture one unit and being a rebel, DT can pin another with his basic. Additionally, his terminate does 20k+ CD against these rebels and Han is pretty squish and can die quickly.
It's really amazing how effective Storm is as a taunter and taking TM when no ten up is involved.
DT is huge because even one dazed / stunned target to pick off really lets you avoid being countered ... and you have the fractured target as well. I'm not finding CLS lead to be a problem really.
How you modded your ST, for speed or prot or maybe def?
So ... any videos of meta Empire teams vs Luke squads?
I'm at a crossroads right now. If I push (and buy one Ben pack *sigh*) I'll be able to get Luke. But I've also been working on an Empire squad - Thrawn, DK, DT, Shore, and Tarkin. Will Empire still be viable, or has the decline to irrelevance begun in the face of the Rebel onslaught.
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
What is best strategy against Resistance team? Yesterday I met team of Finn, Poe, RT, R2 and Rey and could not beat them. My team is Thrawn, ShT, ST, DT, DN.
You need to have a faster toon than Poe. Thrawn is perfect against them. If Poe can taunt, it's almost over
Thanks, then I need more speed on Thrawn, now he is only 241.
Haven't lost to CLS / zSolo teams yet using a dual tank team with Shore & Storm - zThrawn lead + DN and DT
Thrawn can fracture one unit and being a rebel, DT can pin another with his basic. Additionally, his terminate does 20k+ CD against these rebels and Han is pretty squish and can die quickly.
It's really amazing how effective Storm is as a taunter and taking TM when no ten up is involved.
DT is huge because even one dazed / stunned target to pick off really lets you avoid being countered ... and you have the fractured target as well. I'm not finding CLS lead to be a problem really.
How you modded your ST, for speed or prot or maybe def?
Storm and shore modded for speed and protection - under zeta Thrawn lead that's huge. Shore and storm are 211 and 218 respectively in speed. Both have 3x prot primaries. Storm is 19/44 h/p (this is plenty with CD immunity and D up and prot regen) and Shore is 31 / 58 h/p.
Fought another iteration today with Wiggs / zSolo / zCLS / R2 - same result - no issues. Another version had 3xZCLS lead, Solo, 2xZR2, GK, and Thrawn - again no issues. The 2 empire taunts with CD immunity / heal / prot regen are a legit brick wall.
DT I think is really key here - the basic daze / stun is cash money - and the terminate is a great kill shot on the squishier rebels like Leia / Han / Biggs / ATF. DN actually doesn't do a lot in this setup as I don't pull the AOE until round 2/3 when I have the CD immunity up and the tanks are in good position to take some counter damage. He's more of a tanky damage absorber and a finisher with a late game annihilate. I actually think Veers could be pretty strong in that spot on offense. Defense DN is > however so I stick with it.
So ... any videos of meta Empire teams vs Luke squads?
I'm at a crossroads right now. If I push (and buy one Ben pack *sigh*) I'll be able to get Luke. But I've also been working on an Empire squad - Thrawn, DK, DT, Shore, and Tarkin. Will Empire still be viable, or has the decline to irrelevance begun in the face of the Rebel onslaught.
I don't have a video, but I attempted to beat Smithie D's squad today. I was in 3rd, he was in 2nd. I use Thrawn (L), DT, DK, ShT, and Tarkin. All zetas applied.
He had Cluke (L), Raid Han, Chaze, and R2.
I think I could have beaten him, but I didn't fracture soon enough and lost my advantage. I was trying to get Cluke fractured and didn't take down Baze's taunt properly (he had foresight and I s tupidly used DT's AOE).
His team went first of course with Raid Han (don't remember whom he targeted), and so I was delayed in getting ramped up. I made the mistake of doing a couple of AOE's, and it messed up DT pretty bad.
Overall, Smithie's team didn't hit too hard except with a mass counter, so dazing them would be helpful, but DT died too early to spread that love around. Focusing fire on single targets should take care of those pesky rebels pretty quickly, at least until you have daze spread around.
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But on the other hand Tarkin's AoE debuff is critical chance down and offence down. That will help lower the rebels crit chance, so they can't cleanse themselves as easily.
Maybe the time has come to try something like DK lead, Thrawn, Tarkin, DT, and Snow? Thrawn starts by swapping TM with Tarkin, who does his debuff and AoE tm reduction, then Snow (modded for 65% base crit at least) can keep AoEing to keep the enemy team ability blocked, while DK does his AoE stagger, and DT increases their CDs. Thing is, tho, that you have to inflict ability block on them before they can use a tenacity up or cleanse...
@Durrun Thanks for replying. Appreciated. I wasn't sure, because a lot of people on the forum said Zavage is a beast under DN. I haven't been using Savage in arena as I swapped him out to be able to use SA and ST. So maybe I will save it for DN unique.
Not true. DN's special doesn't apply a tenacity check, but his unique certainly does.
He's super fast... fastest character in the game currently
His ability block and buff blocks can be super annoying... plus he gets foresight constantly making him a pain to kill... and he does very solid damage.
We don't know, but it was a "very rare event", like the first palpatine event. My guess would be another 1-4 months before the event comes back.
In addition, he gains a lot of tm, so his speed is significantly magnified.
Stormtrooper can indeed be good against CLS led teams. He starts the battle with +230% defense in a full Empire team and combined to Tarkin's Ultimate Firepower, TM can be reduced a lot (50% from Tarkin and 50% from AoE counter).
I was also thinking of a Gar Saxon's led team to counter CLS (Rebel counter vs Empire counter). Saxon, ISC, DT, Thrawn, Tarkin/Storm. StormT in such team can be good since he can expose on his basic and reduce TM for the rebel counters.
The following toons all have bonuses against Rebels:
Palpatine
Death trooper
Krennic
Veers
Tarkin
I think DT is the most important counter to Rebels but I think the compositions depends on the opponent
Who goes first?
You need to have a faster toon than Poe. Thrawn is perfect against them. If Poe can taunt, it's almost over
Haven't lost to CLS / zSolo teams yet using a dual tank team with Shore & Storm - zThrawn lead + DN and DT
Thrawn can fracture one unit and being a rebel, DT can pin another with his basic. Additionally, his terminate does 20k+ CD against these rebels and Han is pretty squish and can die quickly.
It's really amazing how effective Storm is as a taunter and taking TM when no ten up is involved.
DT is huge because even one dazed / stunned target to pick off really lets you avoid being countered ... and you have the fractured target as well. I'm not finding CLS lead to be a problem really.
Unfortunately Poe was first.
Thanks, then I need more speed on Thrawn, now he is only 241.
How you modded your ST, for speed or prot or maybe def?
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/126007/empire-suggestions-by-empire-players#latest
Just wondering based on what I saw on her kit. I'm trying to decide if I should really start shifting my resources away from Empire at this point.
Don't redeem yourself @WompWompRat Stay on the darkside.
LOL ... it's hard
I'm at a crossroads right now. If I push (and buy one Ben pack *sigh*) I'll be able to get Luke. But I've also been working on an Empire squad - Thrawn, DK, DT, Shore, and Tarkin. Will Empire still be viable, or has the decline to irrelevance begun in the face of the Rebel onslaught.
Storm and shore modded for speed and protection - under zeta Thrawn lead that's huge. Shore and storm are 211 and 218 respectively in speed. Both have 3x prot primaries. Storm is 19/44 h/p (this is plenty with CD immunity and D up and prot regen) and Shore is 31 / 58 h/p.
Fought another iteration today with Wiggs / zSolo / zCLS / R2 - same result - no issues. Another version had 3xZCLS lead, Solo, 2xZR2, GK, and Thrawn - again no issues. The 2 empire taunts with CD immunity / heal / prot regen are a legit brick wall.
DT I think is really key here - the basic daze / stun is cash money - and the terminate is a great kill shot on the squishier rebels like Leia / Han / Biggs / ATF. DN actually doesn't do a lot in this setup as I don't pull the AOE until round 2/3 when I have the CD immunity up and the tanks are in good position to take some counter damage. He's more of a tanky damage absorber and a finisher with a late game annihilate. I actually think Veers could be pretty strong in that spot on offense. Defense DN is > however so I stick with it.
I don't have a video, but I attempted to beat Smithie D's squad today. I was in 3rd, he was in 2nd. I use Thrawn (L), DT, DK, ShT, and Tarkin. All zetas applied.
He had Cluke (L), Raid Han, Chaze, and R2.
I think I could have beaten him, but I didn't fracture soon enough and lost my advantage. I was trying to get Cluke fractured and didn't take down Baze's taunt properly (he had foresight and I s tupidly used DT's AOE).
His team went first of course with Raid Han (don't remember whom he targeted), and so I was delayed in getting ramped up. I made the mistake of doing a couple of AOE's, and it messed up DT pretty bad.
Overall, Smithie's team didn't hit too hard except with a mass counter, so dazing them would be helpful, but DT died too early to spread that love around. Focusing fire on single targets should take care of those pesky rebels pretty quickly, at least until you have daze spread around.
Be Wary out there...