New toons cost rated $2000 - $6000 usd. If you want the new stuff that is what the price tag now is. Sadly some will pony up that insane amount so it will keep creeping up just like toon power.
To me "and I just may be crazy" it would seem many more players would buy into a new toon for $100-$300 and profits would soar. There is a way of playing that everyone spending should think about - ftp......
I've always been very supportive of the game with my voice and my wallet, it makes me a bit sad to feel the need to remove that support.
I wish I could trade shards into crystals at that rate.
Just take my bistan/srp shards. I take 1.2k cryrstals for 30 shards u money grabber!
Some get arrested for stealing less by tricking..
The pack displays 4 characters on the cover graphic:
Chirrut
Cassian
K-2SO
Baze
The pack contains the following additional characters that can drop:
Bistan
SRP
Shoretrooper
When you purchase the pack, there are 7 character drops in total, each drop containing between 2-10 shards per drop.
This is how the pack drops for each character slot:
Slot 1: ALWAYS Bistan or SRP
Slot 2: K-2SO, Baze or Shoretrooper
Slot 3: Chirrut or Cassian (mostly Cassian)
Slot 4: ALWAYS Bistan or SRP
Slot 5: ALWAYS Bistan or SRP
Slot 6: ALWAYS Bistan or SRP
Slot 7: ALWAYS Bistan or SRP
This pack is being marketed in a misleading manner, I believe myself and others have been mis-sold. The pack description depicts all of the characters equally, this is the Bistan and SRP pack.
Is it REALLY necessary to do this to spending customers?
This is just great, amazing, eye opening data, and I owe you a debt of gratitude for being a guinea pig and providing it.
But, holy cow, you are basically ground zero for why this is actually a problem. This is not your first post extolling the predatory and deceptive nature of these packs and basically most offerings these days. Heck, you just had a big thread of how you burned yourself opening the R1 Bundle before activating her from the tourney.
Why do you continually support these practices with your wallet? You've obviously spent enough money to have a real voice that could stand for change but you repeatedly open yourself to be victimized fully knowing what the results are going to be before pressing the purchase button. Has a dev ever responded to these type of posts? Anyone ever explain why Baze drop rates from chromium was negligible or that it wouldn't happen again? Albert Einstein defined "crazy" as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
To be totally honest, to produce this kind of information, to proclaim you have been mis-sold and then buy the very next bundle/pack lottery offering they provide more or less makes you come off as a sore loser or complainer than someone who is voicing a real concern and standing up for his rights.
When mods dropped and TI withdrew its financial support for this game because they were unhappy with results of their investment, the message was loud and clear and things changed.
I disagree with part of that and ask anyone else here if they think he is a sore loser or someone that has just provided great data and stopped hundreds buying the pack. He has stopped ea / cg earning 100 times what he has spent with this post and I thank him for it.
Interesting findings but not uncommon with the packs we get. This type of sales is similar to casino gaming, been doing that for 16 years now with 10 of it in Slots. What you see here is very similar to how slot machine odds and payout work. It is surprising to me that with the regulations brought down on sports betting sites last year that freemium games that market products like this haven't been touched. For those that are truly concerned, you should write the Nevads Gaming Board, New Jersey Gaming, Pennsylvania Gaming, Illinois Gaming, Louisiana Gaming, Indiana Gaming, and / or Missouri Gaming depending on where you live. Outside of Nevada and New Jersey, those are the strictest agencies for gaming regulations and they would probably read a well constructed letter. I've had to answer many questions from regulators related to customer complaints about perceived misleading gaming practices, so they do take such issues seriously.
Misleading marketing aside, product sales like this can cause problematic purchasing behavior, in my industry we call this "problem gaming" and we have a responsibility to help anybody caught up with such an issue. I can only imagine how some of the products sold in freemium games create similar spending problems in some and they have no recourse.
New toons cost rated $2000 - $6000 usd. If you want the new stuff that is what the price tag now is. Sadly some will pony up that insane amount so it will keep creeping up just like toon power.
To me "and I just may be crazy" it would seem many more players would buy into a new toon for $100-$300 and profits would soar. There is a way of playing that everyone spending should think about - ftp......
I've always been very supportive of the game with my voice and my wallet, it makes me a bit sad to feel the need to remove that support.
Nintendo released MARIO RUN for iOS this week. It's one of, if not the most, polished and amazing games on the platform I've ever seen (if you're into that sort of thing). They give a nice f2p taste of the game. If you like what you see, you can get the rest of the content, every other world/stage, the entire game for $9.99.
I guess I understand why the economics in this genre are so much more inflated, I just don't understand why those people are doing it. Well, that's not true, a simple google search about "whales" and freemium model can paint a very unflattering picture.
New toons cost rated $2000 - $6000 usd. If you want the new stuff that is what the price tag now is. Sadly some will pony up that insane amount so it will keep creeping up just like toon power.
To me "and I just may be crazy" it would seem many more players would buy into a new toon for $100-$300 and profits would soar. There is a way of playing that everyone spending should think about - ftp......
I've always been very supportive of the game with my voice and my wallet, it makes me a bit sad to feel the need to remove that support.
+1 for a bit of sanity and, I hope, a reality check for this pack and any would-be buyers (the latter of which I was one). Had I been able to get, say, 10 of these and be well on the way to, if not fully, at 7*, on one of the new characters, I would probably have put my hand in my pocket. Oh well.
Nintendo released MARIO RUN for iOS this week. It's one of, if not the most, polished and amazing games on the platform I've ever seen (if you're into that sort of thing). They give a nice f2p taste of the game. If you like what you see, you can get the rest of the content, every other world/stage, the entire game for $9.99.
And the funny thing is, investors criticized Nintendo that it is not following the freemium model.
The pack shows the potential items on the purchase screen. It shows 7 possible character drops. The description says: "Each pack guarantees between 14 to 70 Shards of ROGUE ONE Characters!" True statement? Yes. Nowhere does it say you'll get some shards of each of the 7 characters and the other similar packs (Jedi, etc.) don't do that either. At the bottom, it says "Duplicate Character Shards sets may occur." True statement? Yes. It doesn't say you may get duplicates of a character you already have or a character you have at 7 stars. It says you may get duplicate shard sets....i.e., more than one set of the same character out of these 7.
Are the drop rates poor for some of the characters? It appears so....and that does suck...and severely erodes the value of the pack. However, to claim that there is false or misleading advertising is incorrect. The reality is that there were false assumptions made by people who purchased the pack...and those assumptions were not based on the specific pack description. If someone is going to assume that the packs are something different than described, then that's on the purchaser...and if someone is operating on assumptions, would make more sense to buy one pack to test out the assumptions....not buy 10 packs and then find out afterwards that the assumptions were incorrect.
New toons cost rated $2000 - $6000 usd. If you want the new stuff that is what the price tag now is. Sadly some will pony up that insane amount so it will keep creeping up just like toon power.
To me "and I just may be crazy" it would seem many more players would buy into a new toon for $100-$300 and profits would soar. There is a way of playing that everyone spending should think about - ftp......
I've always been very supportive of the game with my voice and my wallet, it makes me a bit sad to feel the need to remove that support.
And I may be even crazier, but I think you're wrong. Anyone that would pay $300 to buy into a character, and there are very few of those people, are just as likely to buy the $2000 toon. If they don't, it's because they've gone broke, not because they're valuing something at $300 as a good deal but $2000 is just a waste.
Now, if the Boba Fett, Slave1 Bundle was $3.99 vs $39.99, I think that 99% of the people would've purchased it verses 1% at the current rate. But then that creates a new problem. If everyone else is purchasing it, then you kinda have too as well, just to keep up. Then everyone has the same ship so there's no "advantage" or excitement to obtaining it and you only fall way behind if you don't. The cheap $3.99 pack that f2p would love to buy, would virtually kill the entire FTP model for them, because you would be forcing them to buy those $2 or $3 packs and bundles every single time offered or they just lose.
The pack shows the potential items on the purchase screen. It shows 7 possible character drops. The description says: "Each pack guarantees between 14 to 70 Shards of ROGUE ONE Characters!" True statement? Yes. Nowhere does it say you'll get some shards of each of the 7 characters and the other similar packs (Jedi, etc.) don't do that either. At the bottom, it says "Duplicate Character Shards sets may occur." True statement? Yes. It doesn't say you may get duplicates of a character you already have or a character you have at 7 stars. It says you may get duplicate shard sets....i.e., more than one set of the same character out of these 7.
Are the drop rates poor for some of the characters? It appears so....and that does suck...and severely erodes the value of the pack. However, to claim that there is false or misleading advertising is incorrect. The reality is that there were false assumptions made by people who purchased the pack...and those assumptions were not based on the specific pack description. If someone is going to assume that the packs are something different than described, then that's on the purchaser...and if someone is operating on assumptions, would make more sense to buy one pack to test out the assumptions....not buy 10 packs and then find out afterwards that the assumptions were incorrect.
Do you understand the verb"may"? It means a weak possibility of something happening.
A 100% occurance is not a weak possibility. The correct verb would be "will"
That's why it's misleading and false. @Vos_Landeck
The pack shows the potential items on the purchase screen. It shows 7 possible character drops. The description says: "Each pack guarantees between 14 to 70 Shards of ROGUE ONE Characters!" True statement? Yes. Nowhere does it say you'll get some shards of each of the 7 characters and the other similar packs (Jedi, etc.) don't do that either. At the bottom, it says "Duplicate Character Shards sets may occur." True statement? Yes. It doesn't say you may get duplicates of a character you already have or a character you have at 7 stars. It says you may get duplicate shard sets....i.e., more than one set of the same character out of these 7.
Are the drop rates poor for some of the characters? It appears so....and that does suck...and severely erodes the value of the pack. However, to claim that there is false or misleading advertising is incorrect. The reality is that there were false assumptions made by people who purchased the pack...and those assumptions were not based on the specific pack description. If someone is going to assume that the packs are something different than described, then that's on the purchaser...and if someone is operating on assumptions, would make more sense to buy one pack to test out the assumptions....not buy 10 packs and then find out afterwards that the assumptions were incorrect.
Unfortunately, no. If one were to only buy one pack, they might just chalk it up to poor luck (with no published odds, it's impossible to draw any other conclusion) without affirming any assumptions. Unfortunately for the OP (and others), the only way to affirm the assumptions was to gather more data.
The pack shows the potential items on the purchase screen. It shows 7 possible character drops. The description says: "Each pack guarantees between 14 to 70 Shards of ROGUE ONE Characters!" True statement? Yes. Nowhere does it say you'll get some shards of each of the 7 characters and the other similar packs (Jedi, etc.) don't do that either. At the bottom, it says "Duplicate Character Shards sets may occur." True statement? Yes. It doesn't say you may get duplicates of a character you already have or a character you have at 7 stars. It says you may get duplicate shard sets....i.e., more than one set of the same character out of these 7.
Are the drop rates poor for some of the characters? It appears so....and that does suck...and severely erodes the value of the pack. However, to claim that there is false or misleading advertising is incorrect. The reality is that there were false assumptions made by people who purchased the pack...and those assumptions were not based on the specific pack description. If someone is going to assume that the packs are something different than described, then that's on the purchaser...and if someone is operating on assumptions, would make more sense to buy one pack to test out the assumptions....not buy 10 packs and then find out afterwards that the assumptions were incorrect.
"False" and "Misleading" are not the same thing. I'm going to guess you and I disagree on the meaning of the latter.
Got the same results of 90% SRP!
I'm now really angry with EA and CG. This is totally a RIP OFF!
I spent more than 10K crystals this morning and you just gave me such kind of rubbish?
I took all screenshots!
Thank you for the facts on this pack. As a consumer I value knowing "what" I will get if I buy. I am willing to gamble on "how much" of it I get, and accept that as part of this model of this type of game.
Facts like this are important to me. I am disappointed but am not surprised by the marketing for this pack.
I thought they did a nice job with transparent marketing on the Shore/SRP pack that just ended and hoped it was a sign of things to come.
This is precisely why they should publish odds. And, ironically, NOT doing so, then being "caught" in this type of misleading practice, will actually force people to conclude that ALL packs and situations where RNG plays a role (which is a lot, in this game) are stacked against them.
The refusal to be forthcoming about rates and percentage chances only foster a situation of complete mistrust. Especially when facts bring to light the practices of EA proven by the OP and others.
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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New toons cost rated $2000 - $6000 usd. If you want the new stuff that is what the price tag now is. Sadly some will pony up that insane amount so it will keep creeping up just like toon power.
To me "and I just may be crazy" it would seem many more players would buy into a new toon for $100-$300 and profits would soar. There is a way of playing that everyone spending should think about - ftp......
I've always been very supportive of the game with my voice and my wallet, it makes me a bit sad to feel the need to remove that support.
The 100$ - 300$ was already (too) expensive...
The +2000$ is just ridiculous.
What is interesting with this game is it's not be so along ago they pulled a similar stunt with the Baze chromium release.
Goes to show to the FTP part of the community that they don't care just about your concerns... they don't care for the people that give them money either.
signed: A guy, that bought all the aurodiums, plus has baze/shore 7*.
Only bought one pack this time, I immediatly knew what they were up to.... Stopped.
Thank you for putting the information up here. The reports I've had from other guildies confirms this also.
Can I just state a fact that has been true since the beginning of this game: data cards that cost crystals are and always will be geared toward NEW players. They are there so new players can at least have a semblence of hope to keep up. They are not for old players, for players who have the majority of toons, and most of all NOT for whales. They will always bring dissappointment. There is no false advertising only false hope.
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To me "and I just may be crazy" it would seem many more players would buy into a new toon for $100-$300 and profits would soar. There is a way of playing that everyone spending should think about - ftp......
I've always been very supportive of the game with my voice and my wallet, it makes me a bit sad to feel the need to remove that support.
Just take my bistan/srp shards. I take 1.2k cryrstals for 30 shards u money grabber!
Some get arrested for stealing less by tricking..
I disagree with part of that and ask anyone else here if they think he is a sore loser or someone that has just provided great data and stopped hundreds buying the pack. He has stopped ea / cg earning 100 times what he has spent with this post and I thank him for it.
Misleading marketing aside, product sales like this can cause problematic purchasing behavior, in my industry we call this "problem gaming" and we have a responsibility to help anybody caught up with such an issue. I can only imagine how some of the products sold in freemium games create similar spending problems in some and they have no recourse.
Nintendo released MARIO RUN for iOS this week. It's one of, if not the most, polished and amazing games on the platform I've ever seen (if you're into that sort of thing). They give a nice f2p taste of the game. If you like what you see, you can get the rest of the content, every other world/stage, the entire game for $9.99.
I guess I understand why the economics in this genre are so much more inflated, I just don't understand why those people are doing it. Well, that's not true, a simple google search about "whales" and freemium model can paint a very unflattering picture.
+1 for a bit of sanity and, I hope, a reality check for this pack and any would-be buyers (the latter of which I was one). Had I been able to get, say, 10 of these and be well on the way to, if not fully, at 7*, on one of the new characters, I would probably have put my hand in my pocket. Oh well.
And the funny thing is, investors criticized Nintendo that it is not following the freemium model.
Are the drop rates poor for some of the characters? It appears so....and that does suck...and severely erodes the value of the pack. However, to claim that there is false or misleading advertising is incorrect. The reality is that there were false assumptions made by people who purchased the pack...and those assumptions were not based on the specific pack description. If someone is going to assume that the packs are something different than described, then that's on the purchaser...and if someone is operating on assumptions, would make more sense to buy one pack to test out the assumptions....not buy 10 packs and then find out afterwards that the assumptions were incorrect.
And I may be even crazier, but I think you're wrong. Anyone that would pay $300 to buy into a character, and there are very few of those people, are just as likely to buy the $2000 toon. If they don't, it's because they've gone broke, not because they're valuing something at $300 as a good deal but $2000 is just a waste.
Now, if the Boba Fett, Slave1 Bundle was $3.99 vs $39.99, I think that 99% of the people would've purchased it verses 1% at the current rate. But then that creates a new problem. If everyone else is purchasing it, then you kinda have too as well, just to keep up. Then everyone has the same ship so there's no "advantage" or excitement to obtaining it and you only fall way behind if you don't. The cheap $3.99 pack that f2p would love to buy, would virtually kill the entire FTP model for them, because you would be forcing them to buy those $2 or $3 packs and bundles every single time offered or they just lose.
Do you understand the verb"may"? It means a weak possibility of something happening.
A 100% occurance is not a weak possibility. The correct verb would be "will"
That's why it's misleading and false.
@Vos_Landeck
Unfortunately, no. If one were to only buy one pack, they might just chalk it up to poor luck (with no published odds, it's impossible to draw any other conclusion) without affirming any assumptions. Unfortunately for the OP (and others), the only way to affirm the assumptions was to gather more data.
"False" and "Misleading" are not the same thing. I'm going to guess you and I disagree on the meaning of the latter.
Just to confirm I did it too
I'm now really angry with EA and CG. This is totally a RIP OFF!
I spent more than 10K crystals this morning and you just gave me such kind of rubbish?
I took all screenshots!
This pack post is 100% misleading
Proof the OP was right!
Facts like this are important to me. I am disappointed but am not surprised by the marketing for this pack.
I thought they did a nice job with transparent marketing on the Shore/SRP pack that just ended and hoped it was a sign of things to come.
The refusal to be forthcoming about rates and percentage chances only foster a situation of complete mistrust. Especially when facts bring to light the practices of EA proven by the OP and others.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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The 100$ - 300$ was already (too) expensive...
The +2000$ is just ridiculous.
What is interesting with this game is it's not be so along ago they pulled a similar stunt with the Baze chromium release.
Goes to show to the FTP part of the community that they don't care just about your concerns... they don't care for the people that give them money either.
signed: A guy, that bought all the aurodiums, plus has baze/shore 7*.
Only bought one pack this time, I immediatly knew what they were up to.... Stopped.
Thank you for putting the information up here. The reports I've had from other guildies confirms this also.
That is a miserable waste of 1200 crystals. I especially like the 2 Mk1 ability mats thrown in there.
I am going to buy 10 packs for 99,99 each (999,90 total)
Each pack guarantees i'll pay for it between 0.02 $USD and 300,000 $USD.
There might be a chance I'll pay the same price for several packs.