Crying / Whining / Asking are all different. This is a discussion. Labeling something automatically as whining or crying is childish. Sorry but that has to be the worst possible defense. If you invest into something and it is overtuned, broken or overpowered, then it should be dealt with.
There are better defense points for Chaze than this.
Yet they aren't overturned,
In your opinion.
as it had been proven there's many combos that can defeat them.
Just because something is beatable does not mean it is balanced. Remember LSD from S8 in WoW? Beatable. Hardly balanced.
They aren't broken. You're attempting to push that theory.
I, and others like me, are stating our opinions. That's what grownups do.
If they announced tomorrow they were nerfing Chaze, because of say your complaint, without any recourse to the players, would you relish in the fact that thousands just got screwed of their investments?
This seems kind of relevant to me, with all due respect to the OP. For example, the team I fight for rank 1 is a Zaul squad with Savage, Nihilus and Chaze. I run First Order, which I know is not the best team, and I am able to take out Chaze everytime. However, quite frequently I am left with just Savage and he destroys me.
Not saying he needs to be nerfed either, but if you're discussing toons that are "over-tuned", isn't it somewhat relevant to compare them to other characters that are difficult to beat? I mean, that's what what theoretically makes them OP; their relative strength compared to other top tier toons.
It's so nice too see someone reply to a thread and be polite and respectful to the op instead of posting an insulting meme or comment.
So I take it if a thief steals from me, it's OK as long as he's polite? Nerf in steals from gamers. And it's outrageous.
Do you think it'll be fair (just for debate's sake) if a character can 1 shot all squad members and it'll be fine because you invest into it?
This seems kind of relevant to me, with all due respect to the OP. For example, the team I fight for rank 1 is a Zaul squad with Savage, Nihilus and Chaze. I run First Order, which I know is not the best team, and I am able to take out Chaze everytime. However, quite frequently I am left with just Savage and he destroys me.
Not saying he needs to be nerfed either, but if you're discussing toons that are "over-tuned", isn't it somewhat relevant to compare them to other characters that are difficult to beat? I mean, that's what what theoretically makes them OP; their relative strength compared to other top tier toons.
It's so nice too see someone reply to a thread and be polite and respectful to the op instead of posting an insulting meme or comment.
So I take it if a thief steals from me, it's OK as long as he's polite? Nerf in steals from gamers. And it's outrageous.
It is a bit funny he said that in reference to the comment on my post though.
I think Chaze is fine, but I also support people's right to have a discussion about toons or other aspects of the game they feel are unbalanced. I give the devs enough credit to recognize when there is a legitimate problem with the game, vs toons that may be difficult for alot of folks, but are still beatable.
Chaze, Dooku, Zylo and Zavage are all really powerful, but in my opinion they are not impossible to beat and I don't think people who have them have to worry that a post in the forum is going to get their favorite toon nerfed.
It seems highly unlikely that the devs would make any drastic changes just based on threads, I think they'd need some statistics to back it up before they do anything. If they saw that GW nodes with Chaze were consistently unbeatable for example, or there was a squad in the arena that was impossible to dislodge from rank 1.
It is a disaster to this game's growth with such a broken combo. It isn't fun to play or play against. It's cheesy, lame and disgusting.
This neither detracts any of my points or disproves it. You're just pulling on straws now, which is a bit disappointing, considering you made at least one reasonable post.
OP - my best advice is to just seek input on what beats them and don't fight for a nerf.
1. Nerf won't happen - you're on a pointless quest
2. There's NO BETTER feeling in one of these games than putting a team together that just curb stomps some "OP" build like Chaze. Take advice from others. Do some research - and go kill you some Chaze
It is a disaster to this game's growth with such a broken combo. It isn't fun to play or play against. It's cheesy, lame and disgusting.
This neither detracts any of my points or disproves it. You're just pulling on straws now, which is a bit disappointing, considering you made at least one reasonable post.
Well, back to this.
Thanks for your contributions.
You're defending yourself, I get it. I only pointed out that you've done such in the past (more than once).
Back to my previous post you haven't fully answered yet: You use Zaul/Siths, right? Many call them overpowered and out of balanced. Do you not see them that way? Are you just not balanced in relation to your leaderboard?
OP - my best advice is to just seek input on what beats them and don't fight for a nerf.
I already have a team to beat them, daily. Still overtuned.
1. Nerf won't happen - you're on a pointless quest
Disagree, but sure.
2. There's NO BETTER feeling in one of these games than putting a team together that just curb stomps some "OP" build like Chaze. Take advice from others. Do some research - and go kill you some Chaze
Already have a team that does that.
I'll requote this post since my opposing posters seem to purposely refuse to engage it.
Actually, I'm not. They're overtuned, I think they need balance.
I only pointed out that you've done such in the past (more than once).
You really think people are that dense? You're trying to get me on the defense because you cannot engage in a logical discussion. There were several posts and counter arguments you purposely refused to engage.
Still waiting on the counter post for my LSD / S8 argument.
Take your time.
Back to my previous post you haven't fully answered yet: You use Zaul/Siths, right? Many call them overpowered and out of balanced. Do you not see them that way? Are you just not balanced in relation to your leaderboard?
This is misdirection, but I'll bite. Zaul is hard countered by Rex and R2 is a new addition to help balance its power.
Actually, I'm not. They're overtuned, I think they need balance.
I only pointed out that you've done such in the past (more than once).
You really think people are that dense? You're trying to get me on the defense because you cannot engage in a logical discussion. There were several posts and counter arguments you purposely refused to engage.
Still waiting on the counter post for my LSD / S8 argument.
Take your time.
Back to my previous post you haven't fully answered yet: You use Zaul/Siths, right? Many call them overpowered and out of balanced. Do you not see them that way? Are you just not balanced in relation to your leaderboard?
This is misdirection, but I'll bite. Zaul is hard countered by Rex and R2 is a new addition to help balance its power.
Actually, I'm not. They're overtuned, I think they need balance.
I only pointed out that you've done such in the past (more than once).
You really think people are that dense? You're trying to get me on the defense because you cannot engage in a logical discussion. There were several posts and counter arguments you purposely refused to engage.
Still waiting on the counter post for my LSD / S8 argument.
Take your time.
Back to my previous post you haven't fully answered yet: You use Zaul/Siths, right? Many call them overpowered and out of balanced. Do you not see them that way? Are you just not balanced in relation to your leaderboard?
This is misdirection, but I'll bite. Zaul is hard countered by Rex and R2 is a new addition to help balance its power.
I've gotta agree with the OP and I know there are many others that do as well.
Yes, I beat chaze teams every single day. I know how to beat them. They still share far and away the most powerful synergy in the game and the next duo isn't even in the same ballpark. They're a formidable 5 man team all by themselves. Does this make them overtuned? I think so, others will disagree.
Before anyone attacks me for my roster, look here first:
How about we turn this around and say: Which non-chaze teams can hold against a maxed out Chaze on defence? Yea, defence is not the same, but still... Who??
Chaze was a bad move for the game, and I have them and battle them myself. OP or beatable? I don't care, they are a must have to finish high without much effort..(Sure whales and snakes defend them so much lol)
No one would switch out full maxed Chaze even if the opponent have those so called counter toons... Can someone tell me why? It makes sense to me.
Actually, I'm not. They're overtuned, I think they need balance.
I only pointed out that you've done such in the past (more than once).
You really think people are that dense? You're trying to get me on the defense because you cannot engage in a logical discussion. There were several posts and counter arguments you purposely refused to engage.
Still waiting on the counter post for my LSD / S8 argument.
Take your time.
Back to my previous post you haven't fully answered yet: You use Zaul/Siths, right? Many call them overpowered and out of balanced. Do you not see them that way? Are you just not balanced in relation to your leaderboard?
This is misdirection, but I'll bite. Zaul is hard countered by Rex and R2 is a new addition to help balance its power.
Again, you're trying to get me on the defensive - a common tactic when someone runs out of logical counters.
It won't work.
Cooked snake for dinner anyone?
LOL?! Hello Kitty, how many times have you been warned (admittedly from yourself earlier), for comments to me on the forums (I didn't even know about those, which makes it all the more interesting)? You ask for me to be banned on this thread because you're still bitter for your own self-actuated prior actions. You just can't seem to keep your hands off me. Odd.
Actually, I'm not. They're overtuned, I think they need balance.
I only pointed out that you've done such in the past (more than once).
You really think people are that dense? You're trying to get me on the defense because you cannot engage in a logical discussion. There were several posts and counter arguments you purposely refused to engage.
Still waiting on the counter post for my LSD / S8 argument.
Take your time.
Back to my previous post you haven't fully answered yet: You use Zaul/Siths, right? Many call them overpowered and out of balanced. Do you not see them that way? Are you just not balanced in relation to your leaderboard?
This is misdirection, but I'll bite. Zaul is hard countered by Rex and R2 is a new addition to help balance its power.
Again, you're trying to get me on the defensive - a common tactic when someone runs out of logical counters.
It won't work.
Cooked snake for dinner anyone?
Roasted and served with side chips and a coke. 525 crystal cost.
I'm not trying to get you on the defensive; you yourself are doing that quite well. Reality is, you do have a history of calling for nerfs. And you present no proof of why toons need to be nerfed, other than they give you hell when you fight against them. Youve relegated yourself to be a complainer and blamer for your inability to compete with those who have improved while you've stalled (for many months on end). Step up your game!
I'm not trying to get you on the defensive; you yourself are doing that quite well. Reality is, you do have a history of calling for nerfs. And you present no proof of why toons need to be nerfed, other than they give you hell when you fight against them. Youve relegated yourself to be a complainer and blamer for your inability to compete with those who have improved while you've stalled (for many months on end). Step up your game!
To the OP (Jedi_Reach_), Mr. Cat, et al, I apologize for the saltiness today. OP, you deserve the right to voice your complaints (I don't mean that negatively), as we all do. If I am not with you on your arguments, it doesn't mean I am personally against you.
Mr. Cat, feel free to PM me if you have concerns we need to work out for the past issues you've raised here. Like I said, I wasn't aware of what you brought up earlier.
To the OP (Jedi_Reach_), Mr. Cat, et al, I apologize for the saltiness today. OP, you deserve the right to voice your complaints (I don't mean that negatively), as we all do. If I am not with you on your arguments, it doesn't mean I am personally against you.
Mr. Cat, feel free to PM me if you have concerns we need to work out for the past issues you've raised here. Like I said, I wasn't aware of what you brought up earlier.
Thanks, this is a reasonable post and I respect it.
OP - my best advice is to just seek input on what beats them and don't fight for a nerf.
I already have a team to beat them, daily. Still overtuned.
1. Nerf won't happen - you're on a pointless quest
Disagree, but sure.
2. There's NO BETTER feeling in one of these games than putting a team together that just curb stomps some "OP" build like Chaze. Take advice from others. Do some research - and go kill you some Chaze
Already have a team that does that.
I'll requote this post since my opposing posters seem to purposely refuse to engage it.
Do you think it'll be fair (just for debate's sake) if a character can 1 shot all squad members and it'll be fine because you invest into it?
Exaggerated example but the point stands.
By admitting these things...you're blowing up your own argument that they need nerfed. What does overtuned mean exactly? SOMETHING has to be the best in the game - you can't nerf everything to have the same stats of 1. They aren't some ridiculous outlier that is unbeatable - why nerf something just because it's the best?
You've done a good job showing they are very strong - we all agree. Yet you also state they are beatable and you do so daily. How is your own squad not in need of a nerf and overtuned if they can whip Chaze daily?
You still have not articulated why they need a nerf - do you have some statistical evidence that shows they are such an extreme outlier that they warrant being nerfed? Being the best comp and really good does not on its own justify taking them down.
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In your opinion.
Just because something is beatable does not mean it is balanced. Remember LSD from S8 in WoW? Beatable. Hardly balanced.
I, and others like me, are stating our opinions. That's what grownups do.
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It is a bit funny he said that in reference to the comment on my post though.
I think Chaze is fine, but I also support people's right to have a discussion about toons or other aspects of the game they feel are unbalanced. I give the devs enough credit to recognize when there is a legitimate problem with the game, vs toons that may be difficult for alot of folks, but are still beatable.
Chaze, Dooku, Zylo and Zavage are all really powerful, but in my opinion they are not impossible to beat and I don't think people who have them have to worry that a post in the forum is going to get their favorite toon nerfed.
It seems highly unlikely that the devs would make any drastic changes just based on threads, I think they'd need some statistics to back it up before they do anything. If they saw that GW nodes with Chaze were consistently unbeatable for example, or there was a squad in the arena that was impossible to dislodge from rank 1.
LOL! Keep telling yourself that! You've made a number of non-grownup comments in this thread, too (yeah, I know I have).
If you're getting your entire squad 1-shotted by Chaze, this tells me you're not developed whatsoever in comparison to your leaderboard.
Well a maxed chirrut does crit for 60k+... so under 60k hp is undeveloped... OK
How to u get Palpatine or tfp or dooku or QGJ etc above 60k hp?
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/83217/wedge-biggs-lando-teams-are-way-too-overpowered
Well, back to this.
Thanks for your contributions.
1. Nerf won't happen - you're on a pointless quest
2. There's NO BETTER feeling in one of these games than putting a team together that just curb stomps some "OP" build like Chaze. Take advice from others. Do some research - and go kill you some Chaze
Ah, the truth comes out.
No matter how polite OP is, I won't back down. Nerfs are akin to theft. And theft by a polite thief takes the cake.
You're defending yourself, I get it. I only pointed out that you've done such in the past (more than once).
Back to my previous post you haven't fully answered yet: You use Zaul/Siths, right? Many call them overpowered and out of balanced. Do you not see them that way? Are you just not balanced in relation to your leaderboard?
Disagree, but sure.
Already have a team that does that.
I'll requote this post since my opposing posters seem to purposely refuse to engage it.
You really think people are that dense? You're trying to get me on the defense because you cannot engage in a logical discussion. There were several posts and counter arguments you purposely refused to engage.
Still waiting on the counter post for my LSD / S8 argument.
Take your time.
This is misdirection, but I'll bite. Zaul is hard countered by Rex and R2 is a new addition to help balance its power.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/108090/down-goes-maul-down-goes-maul-down-goes-maul/p1
Again, you're trying to get me on the defensive - a common tactic when someone runs out of logical counters.
It won't work.
Cooked snake for dinner anyone?
Yes, I beat chaze teams every single day. I know how to beat them. They still share far and away the most powerful synergy in the game and the next duo isn't even in the same ballpark. They're a formidable 5 man team all by themselves. Does this make them overtuned? I think so, others will disagree.
Before anyone attacks me for my roster, look here first:
https://swgoh.gg/u/wu tang financial /
Chaze was a bad move for the game, and I have them and battle them myself. OP or beatable? I don't care, they are a must have to finish high without much effort..(Sure whales and snakes defend them so much lol)
No one would switch out full maxed Chaze even if the opponent have those so called counter toons... Can someone tell me why? It makes sense to me.
LOL?! Hello Kitty, how many times have you been warned (admittedly from yourself earlier), for comments to me on the forums (I didn't even know about those, which makes it all the more interesting)? You ask for me to be banned on this thread because you're still bitter for your own self-actuated prior actions. You just can't seem to keep your hands off me. Odd.
I'm not trying to get you on the defensive; you yourself are doing that quite well. Reality is, you do have a history of calling for nerfs. And you present no proof of why toons need to be nerfed, other than they give you hell when you fight against them. Youve relegated yourself to be a complainer and blamer for your inability to compete with those who have improved while you've stalled (for many months on end). Step up your game!
This is a pretty good point.
Definitely a thought provoking point.
Thank you, and understandable.
To the OP (Jedi_Reach_), Mr. Cat, et al, I apologize for the saltiness today. OP, you deserve the right to voice your complaints (I don't mean that negatively), as we all do. If I am not with you on your arguments, it doesn't mean I am personally against you.
Mr. Cat, feel free to PM me if you have concerns we need to work out for the past issues you've raised here. Like I said, I wasn't aware of what you brought up earlier.
By admitting these things...you're blowing up your own argument that they need nerfed. What does overtuned mean exactly? SOMETHING has to be the best in the game - you can't nerf everything to have the same stats of 1. They aren't some ridiculous outlier that is unbeatable - why nerf something just because it's the best?
You've done a good job showing they are very strong - we all agree. Yet you also state they are beatable and you do so daily. How is your own squad not in need of a nerf and overtuned if they can whip Chaze daily?
You still have not articulated why they need a nerf - do you have some statistical evidence that shows they are such an extreme outlier that they warrant being nerfed? Being the best comp and really good does not on its own justify taking them down.
Help me out here, if you don't mind. I don't recall seeing that (overlooked, no doubt).