Secondly, just think about how it would play out if characters reflected their canon strength. Sith would be all powerful, followed by Jedi. Why would anyone use Jawa,Ewoks,Tuskens,no name Empire/Rebel/Resistance/First order soldiers, Droids, etc? I too at first thought the lack of resemblance to canon is a bit silly but just think what the game would be like otherwise-no diversity.
One of the best toons in this game right now is named Genosian Soldier. Is it a Jedi? A sith? No, its a bug with a gun. Is it the only of its type? No, its one of probably 100.000 other bugs with guns.
This have to change! Right now iconic characters from the movies, especially Mace Windu, is unplayable. EA and CG have to change this.
Do Genosian Soldier need a nerf?
SUPEREDIT: The hate flood has now filled my house to the limit. Im sitting here in my room crying, thinking back on the first time i saw the Geonosian Soldiers in the Battle of Geonosis. They were wery scary to a 7 year old boy that all his life was scared of insects. This has nothing to do with him being easy to get and for the F2P players, its only because his creepy looks. Please EA & CG change his looks to a more friendly and likeable character. Im out, peace on the streets.
One of the best toons in this game right now is named Genosian Soldier. Is it a Jedi? A sith? No, its a bug with a gun. Is it the only of its type? No, its one of probably 100.000 other bugs with guns.
This have to change! Right now iconic characters from the movies, especially Mace Windu, is unplayable. EA and CG have to change this.
Do Genosian Soldier need a nerf?
SUPEREDIT: The hate flood has now filled my house to the limit. Im sitting here in my room crying, thinking back on the first time i saw the Geonosian Soldiers in the Battle of Geonosis. They were wery scary to a 7 year old boy that all his life was scared of insects. This has nothing to do with him being easy to get and for the F2P players, its only because his creepy looks. Please EA & CG change his looks to a more friendly and likeable character. Im out, peace on the streets.
Qui Gon has 10.6K health. IG 86 has 10.9. GS has 12.3
Qui Gon's basic attack does **** for damage so he is not as valuable when he is the one getting called in for an assist
IG 86 is slow at 116 speed (without leader) and still slower than GS with Lobot as lead
Qui Gon's tenacity is 37%. IG 86 is 31%. Geonosian is 42%.
Qui Gon has a lot of counters like Sid (dodge) and Dooku (stuns, ability blocks, and outrageous potency). IG 86 does as well, but those characters are not as prevalent at the top of most brackets.
GS is a step above in almost every conceivable way. That took me a few minutes to put together so I hope you take the minute to read it. Though, I suspect you are aware and just defending him because he is benefiting you.
This has some flaws because you aren't pointing out the positives of QGJ. QGJ has lots of positives over GS.
1) Jedi combo's
2) Leader ability
3) Speed as a leader
4) 75% bonus on assist without requiring any teammate to be a specific type
5) Another special ability that can buff the entire team and remove buffs.
To say that GS is better than QGJ is insane. GS can do one thing, and one thing only... and that is damage. He is easily farmable (heck you can farm QGJ and GS at the same time).
GS deserves his HP and damage, because if you take that away he is nothing. That would follow the same nerfs as Poe.
QGJ has less hp but more flexibility. That seems like a fair downside. For those who have lost to a QGJ removing taunt, you know what I am talking about.
Edit: If GS gets nerfed it will NOT help F2p players. If p2p isn't already playing her, they will sub in Rey. GS is the main counter to Rey right now (and QGJ for that matter). Remove the counter and Rey would instantly be better (and she is so much harder to farm).
Edit 2: Actually, on second though, maybe nerfing GS would be a great idea. Rey does more damage than GS and having a significant counter to her gone from the meta would be fantastic. My Rey is requesting a GS nerf.
And for those that don't know, he is slated to have his assist cooldown reduced (-1) soon so he will one shot you every single round, making him the #1 threat.
That will be OP for sure. Lot of chars upgrades at 80 seem OP, this is one of the worst.
He is a top char now, but worse than QGJ, who can dispel, buff with Offense Up, has speed leadership, act before him, and give 100% assist damage.
A few details you forgot to add the first time you wrote that, just like you forgot it now.
It is really an easy fix. Bring GS speed down to ~141
That way people with Poe/Han (with Akhbar), can take the bullet.
Otherwise, let him keep his speed advantage and bring him down to Darth Maul hp/tenacity levels (9K and 16%), so there is one reason to give the other assist characters consideration.
I like both proposals, probably the 2nd one more. Although I still think you undervalue QGJ, who acys before, has more utility, and his assist hits harder.
Probably gear9 is the reason of part of the imbslance of his hp and tenacity compared to his peers in the top of the food chain. At gear 8 like the rest of characters have, Geo has 10400hp and Tenacity 34%, per SWGOHDB. Abd Speed 140. More similar to others like QGJ. I dont know why devs allow some chars to get into next tier like they did with JC and now with GS
In any case, I feel that "assist" should be an ability fir support-type of characters (such as Biggs) and not for top damage dealers (such as Geo and IG86). Support should enable the heavy hitters, in my opinion. But clearly the devs don't feel the same, seeing the chars currently I'm gsme, and datsmined as future releases.
And another person who is totaling missing the point. I have him - and would be fine if he was nerfed. Having a lowly Geo soldier blasting the likes of a fully geared and leveled Jedi into oblivion simply seems wrong in the Star Wars universe. Should he be nerfed to the point of being irrelevant? Absolutely not. But to the point where he is balanced both from a game play as well as a "Star Wars common sense" standpoint? Sure.
There are some vslid concerns raised about him in the thread, but the whole "Jedi should be superior to everything" argument needs to die. In a pyre.
If we hsve to be closer to canon, Jedis should be better than droids or Geonosian or storm troopers, and you should be able to field 1000 Geonosian or Droids or Stormtroopers at once. Gsme need to be balanced gsme wise and in order to make all chars vslid and give people a reason to farm something other than Jedis and Sith, Jedi nd Sith need yo be on par with pilotos and troopers and sokdiers and jawas
Heroes need strong foes with heavy arms to shine. Often monsters are obviously more strong as the hero, but in a heretic challange are beaten up by the hero. Hero got faceplanted some phases during the combat but ladt moment pulls the victory out of a secret drawer plan. That is the fun of a movie or book to see the hero apparently go down but recovers. Leave the bug and add more usable skills to hero units for those whivh appears underpowered. But all together stop the nerf riot as otherwise all units will finally be average. Actually I like the initial post here due to the ironical humor of the perception.
NO! Genosian Soldier is my favorite character from the Star Wars universe.
Instead of nerfing, how about buffing characters like ewoks, stormtroopers etc so we have more options. Right now the characters pool seen big but actually there is only a small group is useful. Nerfing will only make the useful group smaller.
NO! Genosian Soldier is my favorite character from the Star Wars universe.
No. He is strong but not overpowered. overpowered is winning the match with a simple press of a button (Poe). Plus he really helps the F2p player base in all aspects of the game
No. He is strong but not overpowered. overpowered is winning the match with a simple press of a button (Poe). Plus he really helps the F2p player base in all aspects of the game
If you kill one of my character in one shot that decides the match. More so when followed by Rey who can one shot another character.
I lose Lumi and Rey. Or wherever name two starters you can lose and win 3 vs 5
No. He is strong but not overpowered. overpowered is winning the match with a simple press of a button (Poe). Plus he really helps the F2p player base in all aspects of the game
If you kill one of my character in one shot that decides the match. More so when followed by Rey who can one shot another character.
I lose Lumi and Rey. Or wherever name two starters you can lose and win 3 vs 5
Then why not just nerf every single damage dealer. If people are asking for a Geo nerf, why not Rey? or Leia? or ig86? or Lumi (her special can rek)? They can also one shot people.
Instead of asking single hero nerfs, we should ask for a buff to defense.
No. He is strong but not overpowered. overpowered is winning the match with a simple press of a button (Poe). Plus he really helps the F2p player base in all aspects of the game
If you kill one of my character in one shot that decides the match. More so when followed by Rey who can one shot another character.
I lose Lumi and Rey. Or wherever name two starters you can lose and win 3 vs 5
Then why not just nerf every single damage dealer. If people are asking for a Geo nerf, why not Rey? or Leia? or ig86? or Lumi (her special can rek)? They can also one shot people.
Instead of asking single hero nerfs, we should ask for a buff to defense.
Well maybe. But don't just defend GS cause you use him.
I've said for a long time... Add skills to mitigate damage. That's beside the point.
I don't want nerfs. Again research my posts. I think it poetic all my words came true.
Sad that people want nerfs. Play with the tools. As a POLICY within CG I would adopt a policy of nerf requests automatically cause a teo month delay in even considering it.
Sad that people want nerfs. Play with the tools. As a POLICY within CG I would adopt a policy of nerf requests automatically cause a teo month delay in even considering it.
NO! Genosian Soldier is my favorite character from the Star Wars universe.
GS is a lot stronger than I would expect or hope. He is one of the best in the game right now. But I don't believe he should be nerfed. Nerfs should be for game breaking toons only. Like Poe was. Barris was based on the meta but was over nerfed. Poe was probably overnerfed when combined with the changes to speed and resistance to turn meter. GS is powerful but not completely in a class by himself.
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How? Improving sinergy
Nerf all good toons?
I wish I was a mod so I could eject non factors like you from the discussion. FOTP is one of the slowest characters in the game right now.
The current meta is speed
This has some flaws because you aren't pointing out the positives of QGJ. QGJ has lots of positives over GS.
1) Jedi combo's
2) Leader ability
3) Speed as a leader
4) 75% bonus on assist without requiring any teammate to be a specific type
5) Another special ability that can buff the entire team and remove buffs.
To say that GS is better than QGJ is insane. GS can do one thing, and one thing only... and that is damage. He is easily farmable (heck you can farm QGJ and GS at the same time).
GS deserves his HP and damage, because if you take that away he is nothing. That would follow the same nerfs as Poe.
QGJ has less hp but more flexibility. That seems like a fair downside. For those who have lost to a QGJ removing taunt, you know what I am talking about.
Edit: If GS gets nerfed it will NOT help F2p players. If p2p isn't already playing her, they will sub in Rey. GS is the main counter to Rey right now (and QGJ for that matter). Remove the counter and Rey would instantly be better (and she is so much harder to farm).
Edit 2: Actually, on second though, maybe nerfing GS would be a great idea. Rey does more damage than GS and having a significant counter to her gone from the meta would be fantastic. My Rey is requesting a GS nerf.
That will be OP for sure. Lot of chars upgrades at 80 seem OP, this is one of the worst.
He is a top char now, but worse than QGJ, who can dispel, buff with Offense Up, has speed leadership, act before him, and give 100% assist damage.
A few details you forgot to add the first time you wrote that, just like you forgot it now.
I like both proposals, probably the 2nd one more. Although I still think you undervalue QGJ, who acys before, has more utility, and his assist hits harder.
Probably gear9 is the reason of part of the imbslance of his hp and tenacity compared to his peers in the top of the food chain. At gear 8 like the rest of characters have, Geo has 10400hp and Tenacity 34%, per SWGOHDB. Abd Speed 140. More similar to others like QGJ. I dont know why devs allow some chars to get into next tier like they did with JC and now with GS
In any case, I feel that "assist" should be an ability fir support-type of characters (such as Biggs) and not for top damage dealers (such as Geo and IG86). Support should enable the heavy hitters, in my opinion. But clearly the devs don't feel the same, seeing the chars currently I'm gsme, and datsmined as future releases.
If we hsve to be closer to canon, Jedis should be better than droids or Geonosian or storm troopers, and you should be able to field 1000 Geonosian or Droids or Stormtroopers at once. Gsme need to be balanced gsme wise and in order to make all chars vslid and give people a reason to farm something other than Jedis and Sith, Jedi nd Sith need yo be on par with pilotos and troopers and sokdiers and jawas
On the other hand, QGJ also needs some balancing. He's has dispel, speed, assist and meter gain.
I doubt that skill makes it to live play as is. That's OP and there is no way around it.
Dooku can keep him on lockdown and he will miss Sidious more often than not (not sure how that 35% is calculated but it is off by a long shot)
Geonosian does not have this problem
If you kill one of my character in one shot that decides the match. More so when followed by Rey who can one shot another character.
I lose Lumi and Rey. Or wherever name two starters you can lose and win 3 vs 5
Then why not just nerf every single damage dealer. If people are asking for a Geo nerf, why not Rey? or Leia? or ig86? or Lumi (her special can rek)? They can also one shot people.
Instead of asking single hero nerfs, we should ask for a buff to defense.
Well maybe. But don't just defend GS cause you use him.
I've said for a long time... Add skills to mitigate damage. That's beside the point.
I don't want nerfs. Again research my posts. I think it poetic all my words came true.
Is there a pro nerf group on the server?
Is it Poe users out for revenge?
Is it distinct groups who are protecting their player?
I suspect in general the people who want to nerf Poe want to also nerf GS.
They want to break others toys just or are just to lazy to get there own.
I recognize people defending GS who laughed and taunted those who were mad about Poe.
It's Poe..etic justice.
We will nerf it for you.
Managementz
Then ten months later you're going chapter 11
Geno is a lovely manbug on the inside.