Quit wanking. You’re late to the party and want people to hand you what they earned, whether through money, smart decisions, or establishing relationships. If you want in you need to either play by their rules until trust is established or be a thorn until they give in to your demands. Unless you’re a threat, there’s no incentive to letting you in as an equal partner. Having done this myself about over 2 years ago in a day 1 shard, I’ll tell you that it will cost a significant amount of crystals, timing/skill, and a little luck.
A friend who plays some other game (some dragon-thing, I dunno) told me about an arena-system they have there: If you make it to the top rank, or maybe somewhere near, you "graduate" to a new shard with others who have done the same. In the new shard, the rewards are greater than they were in the one you graduated from.
Have no idea how the logistics would work behind the scenes, but maybe that would be a way to address this issue, and stoke interest in the arenas. The top competitors will eventually move on to compete with others like themselves for more loot, the shard-populations will gradually change, and even folks without the meta-du-jour will eventually rise.
Quit wanking. You’re late to the party and want people to hand you what they earned, whether through money, smart decisions, or establishing relationships. If you want in you need to either play by their rules until trust is established or be a thorn until they give in to your demands. Unless you’re a threat, there’s no incentive to letting you in as an equal partner. Having done this myself about over 2 years ago in a day 1 shard, I’ll tell you that it will cost a significant amount of crystals, timing/skill, and a little luck.
This is the problem. No player or group of players "owns" a certain rank rsnge so they can offer it to another player.
Yes - the rules allow it and self-interested people will take advantage of it.
But the rules should not allow it. It cant be regulated and allows each shard to have their own "rules" which is the antithesis of a competitive game.
Breaking this mob system would make the game more money if more people could break in with a refresh or two, or the people holding the spots would have to spend a refresh or two to stay there.
I'm not saying there is an easy solution - but there is a solution. They just need to choose to look at it.
A friend who plays some other game (some dragon-thing, I dunno) told me about an arena-system they have there: If you make it to the top rank, or maybe somewhere near, you "graduate" to a new shard with others who have done the same. In the new shard, the rewards are greater than they were in the one you graduated from.
Have no idea how the logistics would work behind the scenes, but maybe that would be a way to address this issue, and stoke interest in the arenas. The top competitors will eventually move on to compete with others like themselves for more loot, the shard-populations will gradually change, and even folks without the meta-du-jour will eventually rise.
If CG wanted to make a huge QOL improvement and alleviate the shard chat collusion they could change the Arena payout to award you for the highest rank obtained within the previous 24 hours, instead of your rank at the assigned payout time.
So after months of stomping on other people payouts and playing how you want when you want, you dropped some coin for Revan and tried to demand first place payouts? They offered you second - you told them to stuff it, and you are surprised that they find your entitlement annoying and are now attacking you?
Wow.
Here's a newsflash for all those who finally got Revan and think just because they can finally beat a bad AI once in a while, they are entitled to go to the front of the line:
Most of the people in the shard chats, who are trying to maximize rewards for most people near the top of the shard (those that have been either paying for months or even years or who have been dedicated f2p players who are smart and focused) - can't allow all top 1000 players who finally have Revan to take #1 at their respective payouts. There are a limited number of slots in each payout - and many shard chats have already had players change payout time zones in attempt to make it as fair and open as possible.
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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This is the problem. No player or group of players "owns" a certain rank rsnge so they can offer it to another player.
Yes - the rules allow it and self-interested people will take advantage of it.
But the rules should not allow it. It cant be regulated and allows each shard to have their own "rules" which is the antithesis of a competitive game.
Breaking this mob system would make the game more money if more people could break in with a refresh or two, or the people holding the spots would have to spend a refresh or two to stay there.
I'm not saying there is an easy solution - but there is a solution. They just need to choose to look at it.
Self interest is what is behind someone wanting the top spot isn't it? It's human nature to be self interested...
But what leads to success is when you figure out how to make your self interests work with others.
For instance...I won't bother you if you won't bother me. I will watch out for you if you watch out for me.
Vs
I want top spot and don't care who I am stepping on to get to it.
If CG wanted to make a huge QOL improvement and alleviate the shard chat collusion they could change the Arena payout to award you for the highest rank obtained within the previous 24 hours, instead of your rank at the assigned payout time.
They won't do this. All these shard chat players would all rotate through first place, and CG would end up paying out way more than 24 1st place payouts per shard per day. Overall crystal payout rates would increase, so overall game spending will go down.
I believe it's one of the reasons they didn't initially offer crystals for fleet arena - still wanted to keep crystal payouts lower.
Just curious--a quick glance shows threads on this subject dating back at least two years.
Have the devs ever commented on the topic, one way or another?
Not that I am aware of. Honestly, as several have pointed out, there really isn't much they can do.
Most of the shard chats are 3rd party apps (Discord, Line (back in the day), etc.) and totally changing the structure of arena 3 years into the game would be a tough sell.
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
They could reshuffle the shards once a month or something. But since they don't, if someone from one of these "shard mafias" offers you a deal... It's really one you shouldn't refuse. Even guaranteed daily top 10 is better than having some 30 hardcore players actively going after you.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
This right here. When the top 75 teams are basically all one team, player A's investment is generally no more than player B's. The difference ends up being one is protected by the chat and doesn't have to concern themselves with falling 40 spots.
How does a shardchat protect you from falling 40 spots?
Don't know about yours but the one in my shard hits anyone once the get near the top 20
How are they not concerned with falling 40 spots if they're already starting to attack when they drop out of the top20?
So I battle up to #16. Chat member 1 hits me and I drop to 22. I hit member 1 back and get back to 16. Chat member 2 hits me back to 21 while chat member 1 hits the guy at say 17. So on and so forth
You not being able to penetrate the top20 =/= preventing shardchat members from falling 40 ranks
The chat isn't preventing the fall, they themselves are actively battling to not fall 40 spots.
Disagree
You don't have to agree. He is right. They drop out of 20 and do a fight. They done 5 fights and buy 5 more. That's what competetiv players do...
Individual players doing that is fine. But secretive shard chats doing that handicaps other people who paid actual money to receive the same game rule structure.
The other option is simply for SWGOH to rebrand the top 20 spots completely as an "anything goes" free for all. As long as players are aware that the top 20 spots play that way, then there is nothing to complain about
Well clearly we are all aware. Side note. I hate the top 20 circle ****, but that doesnt void the fact that I know its there.
This is the problem. No player or group of players "owns" a certain rank rsnge so they can offer it to another player.
Yes - the rules allow it and self-interested people will take advantage of it.
But the rules should not allow it. It cant be regulated and allows each shard to have their own "rules" which is the antithesis of a competitive game.
Breaking this mob system would make the game more money if more people could break in with a refresh or two, or the people holding the spots would have to spend a refresh or two to stay there.
I'm not saying there is an easy solution - but there is a solution. They just need to choose to look at it.
Self interest is what is behind someone wanting the top spot isn't it? It's human nature to be self interested...
But what leads to success is when you figure out how to make your self interests work with others.
For instance...I won't bother you if you won't bother me. I will watch out for you if you watch out for me.
Vs
I want top spot and don't care who I am stepping on to get to it.
Refreshing is already a part of it.
And this is exactly why I dont fault people for doing it because its allowed. All I'm saying is the rules should change so this behaviour is no longer beneficial.
Just curious--a quick glance shows threads on this subject dating back at least two years.
Have the devs ever commented on the topic, one way or another?
Actually - I wish they would say something on it one way or the other. Then I can stop replying to these threads.
Even if they said something in the past doesn't mean they won't change their minds. That being said, i think it's pointless to reply, but the same goes for like 90% of the other threads on this forum ;p
Just curious--a quick glance shows threads on this subject dating back at least two years.
Have the devs ever commented on the topic, one way or another?
Actually - I wish they would say something on it one way or the other. Then I can stop replying to these threads.
Even if they said something in the past doesn't mean they won't change their minds. That being said, i think it's pointless to reply, but the same goes for like 90% of the other threads on this forum ;p
Agree but what else would I do when sitting in an airport or pretending to read work emails?
This is the problem. No player or group of players "owns" a certain rank rsnge so they can offer it to another player.
Yes - the rules allow it and self-interested people will take advantage of it.
But the rules should not allow it. It cant be regulated and allows each shard to have their own "rules" which is the antithesis of a competitive game.
Breaking this mob system would make the game more money if more people could break in with a refresh or two, or the people holding the spots would have to spend a refresh or two to stay there.
I'm not saying there is an easy solution - but there is a solution. They just need to choose to look at it.
Self interest is what is behind someone wanting the top spot isn't it? It's human nature to be self interested...
But what leads to success is when you figure out how to make your self interests work with others.
For instance...I won't bother you if you won't bother me. I will watch out for you if you watch out for me.
Vs
I want top spot and don't care who I am stepping on to get to it.
Refreshing is already a part of it.
And this is exactly why I dont fault people for doing it because its allowed. All I'm saying is the rules should change so this behaviour is no longer beneficial.
It's good behavior...play nice and things go well...
Why engage in social engineering to encourage selfish behavior that is antisocial?
Just curious--a quick glance shows threads on this subject dating back at least two years.
Have the devs ever commented on the topic, one way or another?
Actually - I wish they would say something on it one way or the other. Then I can stop replying to these threads.
Here's a hint on their position: Probably somewhere around 95% of the threads in the PVP and Rivalry section of the official forums are threads for finding shard chats. If shard chats were in any way against the terms of service, they wouldn't let those threads happen.
Just curious--a quick glance shows threads on this subject dating back at least two years.
Have the devs ever commented on the topic, one way or another?
Actually - I wish they would say something on it one way or the other. Then I can stop replying to these threads.
Here's a hint on their position: Probably somewhere around 95% of the threads in the PVP and Rivalry section of the official forums are threads for finding shard chats. If shard chats were in any way against the terms of service, they wouldn't let those threads happen.
Its not against the TOS - I dont think there is any dispute about that. That doesnt mean they can't change the rules later to make them obsolete.
Just curious--a quick glance shows threads on this subject dating back at least two years.
Have the devs ever commented on the topic, one way or another?
Actually - I wish they would say something on it one way or the other. Then I can stop replying to these threads.
Here's a hint on their position: Probably somewhere around 95% of the threads in the PVP and Rivalry section of the official forums are threads for finding shard chats. If shard chats were in any way against the terms of service, they wouldn't let those threads happen.
Its not against the TOS - I dont think there is any dispute about that. That doesnt mean they can't change the rules later to make them obsolete.
for the record, i'm not opposed to changes. I just don't like any of the suggested changes. Mainly out of selfinterrest and because my shardchat doesn't operate in a way that causes these problem some seem to have with shardchats.
Ok so you were offered second to start. That’s a great deal. And only 50 crystals from 1. If you kept playing and showing you are consistent the person probably would have rotated daily with you. I would rethink this. Not in your shard.
Personally, I'm part of a shard chat and have reaped the benefits for over 3 years however my view of it is; I'm communicating with others from around the world (I'm in the UK - there's Americans, Italians, polish, french, Germans, russians) all working together, communicating, helping, teaching, learning but most importantly - cooperating. It's beautiful and shows the wonder of the internet and how similar we all are at the end of the day. You can't take these away, as they show that games can span borders, politics, race and religion.
Agree with @Reyalp. The chat I am in experiments with different team comps, counters, and is very agreeable. Have learned a lot about the game from people all over the world and a little German too.
The OP stated that he was offered #2. There was never any offer of a shared position. In many cases, if the OP says fine, I'll settle for your offer, that's exactly as good as it'll ever get.
Why would there be any other offer? OP has no leverage...the person offering had all the leverage.
He was being given a chance and he rejected it outright. To speculate in the negative is curious considering he already made an offer that would benefit OP.
So let me get this straight. You finally after 3 1/2 years of playing (or less depending on when you started) finally came up to the top, someone was nice enough to reach out to you so you can help get payout and for them to get theirs so then you deny them and they hit you and you have no idea what’s going on and you consider this cheating?
This is absolutely hilarious. You realize shard chats were created early from players that are competitive and worked to climb. So players got together in order to work together with others that are as engaged as they are to get their payouts. You show up out of the blue and expect to get special treatment and even though you don’t deserve a spot since you have been MIA for so long they still feel nice enough to offer you a spot? The catch is the same players have had their same payout for years and aren’t just gonna hand you the torch and get first. Maybe once you develop a relationship with them they would be open to rotation. Instead you are a self entitled child and when someone reached out to work payouts out with you; you shut them down. Now you preach to the forums! Wow what a crybaby 😂😂😂
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Have no idea how the logistics would work behind the scenes, but maybe that would be a way to address this issue, and stoke interest in the arenas. The top competitors will eventually move on to compete with others like themselves for more loot, the shard-populations will gradually change, and even folks without the meta-du-jour will eventually rise.
This is the problem. No player or group of players "owns" a certain rank rsnge so they can offer it to another player.
Yes - the rules allow it and self-interested people will take advantage of it.
But the rules should not allow it. It cant be regulated and allows each shard to have their own "rules" which is the antithesis of a competitive game.
Breaking this mob system would make the game more money if more people could break in with a refresh or two, or the people holding the spots would have to spend a refresh or two to stay there.
I'm not saying there is an easy solution - but there is a solution. They just need to choose to look at it.
like grand arena...
So after months of stomping on other people payouts and playing how you want when you want, you dropped some coin for Revan and tried to demand first place payouts? They offered you second - you told them to stuff it, and you are surprised that they find your entitlement annoying and are now attacking you?
Wow.
Here's a newsflash for all those who finally got Revan and think just because they can finally beat a bad AI once in a while, they are entitled to go to the front of the line:
Most of the people in the shard chats, who are trying to maximize rewards for most people near the top of the shard (those that have been either paying for months or even years or who have been dedicated f2p players who are smart and focused) - can't allow all top 1000 players who finally have Revan to take #1 at their respective payouts. There are a limited number of slots in each payout - and many shard chats have already had players change payout time zones in attempt to make it as fair and open as possible.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
Self interest is what is behind someone wanting the top spot isn't it? It's human nature to be self interested...
But what leads to success is when you figure out how to make your self interests work with others.
For instance...I won't bother you if you won't bother me. I will watch out for you if you watch out for me.
Vs
I want top spot and don't care who I am stepping on to get to it.
Refreshing is already a part of it.
They won't do this. All these shard chat players would all rotate through first place, and CG would end up paying out way more than 24 1st place payouts per shard per day. Overall crystal payout rates would increase, so overall game spending will go down.
I believe it's one of the reasons they didn't initially offer crystals for fleet arena - still wanted to keep crystal payouts lower.
Have the devs ever commented on the topic, one way or another?
Not that I am aware of. Honestly, as several have pointed out, there really isn't much they can do.
Most of the shard chats are 3rd party apps (Discord, Line (back in the day), etc.) and totally changing the structure of arena 3 years into the game would be a tough sell.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
Well clearly we are all aware. Side note. I hate the top 20 circle ****, but that doesnt void the fact that I know its there.
Enjoy not getting top 5 ever again.
Actually - I wish they would say something on it one way or the other. Then I can stop replying to these threads.
And this is exactly why I dont fault people for doing it because its allowed. All I'm saying is the rules should change so this behaviour is no longer beneficial.
Even if they said something in the past doesn't mean they won't change their minds. That being said, i think it's pointless to reply, but the same goes for like 90% of the other threads on this forum ;p
Agree but what else would I do when sitting in an airport or pretending to read work emails?
It's good behavior...play nice and things go well...
Why engage in social engineering to encourage selfish behavior that is antisocial?
Here's a hint on their position: Probably somewhere around 95% of the threads in the PVP and Rivalry section of the official forums are threads for finding shard chats. If shard chats were in any way against the terms of service, they wouldn't let those threads happen.
Its not against the TOS - I dont think there is any dispute about that. That doesnt mean they can't change the rules later to make them obsolete.
for the record, i'm not opposed to changes. I just don't like any of the suggested changes. Mainly out of selfinterrest and because my shardchat doesn't operate in a way that causes these problem some seem to have with shardchats.
Something like hearthstone.
The current system breeds syndicates and bully’s.
To Op - I think you've missed an opportunity
Well it also pertains to the reasoning behind those thinking he chose wisely...
But why is it curious? It's obvious...the only part that requires curiosity is how the other guy was thinking because it's speculation.
Why would there be an offer of shared position on the first offer? OP has no leverage.
What he certainly was offered was safely getting 2nd from that point on. All he had to do was reach it.
What was OP offering? Nothing.
He chose to fight then and there and expected to find people on the forums that agreed with him.
Why would there be any other offer? OP has no leverage...the person offering had all the leverage.
He was being given a chance and he rejected it outright. To speculate in the negative is curious considering he already made an offer that would benefit OP.
OP made no offer that was beneficial to anyone.
This is absolutely hilarious. You realize shard chats were created early from players that are competitive and worked to climb. So players got together in order to work together with others that are as engaged as they are to get their payouts. You show up out of the blue and expect to get special treatment and even though you don’t deserve a spot since you have been MIA for so long they still feel nice enough to offer you a spot? The catch is the same players have had their same payout for years and aren’t just gonna hand you the torch and get first. Maybe once you develop a relationship with them they would be open to rotation. Instead you are a self entitled child and when someone reached out to work payouts out with you; you shut them down. Now you preach to the forums! Wow what a crybaby 😂😂😂