Welp. Just did my first GA battle of this round. My opponent put some trash jedi on defense.
I decided it'd be funny to 1v3 a trash team with my Vader. For reference my Vader is g12. The jedi I fought were hoda, gear 9, Plo, gear 9 and Mace, gear 8. And what do you know, my Vader lost...
So I thought this would be the perfect time to say that with the ESB anniversary tomorrow, why not have a Vader rework, so he doesn't die to things such as this... truly disappointed by Vader's incompetence at killing Jedi, the main thing he wanted to do.
I have a bad feeling about this.
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I guess so.
I want him reworked, or re-reworked. It’s absurd that he’s as bad as he is, he needs something to make him at least a viable choice for GA an SA.
If this is a joke, I have nothing to say, Mace does need a rework, but we know this isn’t happening any time soon.
GL Vader
Always wondered why his suit wasnt lit up.
Rule of Cool. It looks way more dramatic this way.
he added the bling later.
Better not destroy my team.
You should stick Boba in there. More dots, more damage, more debuffs.
The only reason Vader is doing any damage is because of Wat, take Wat out of there and wat are they going to do? Die? Plus, this is a relic Vader, not many people will or already have a relic 7 Vader. If the only way to make Vader good is to relic 7 him and put Wat on his team, then he isn’t a good character. There are lots of characters out there that you don’t need relic’d and Wat to make them usable in this game. Show me a video of Vader without Wat one shotting a full health relic 4 Malak. Show me a video of a relic 1 Vader, even g12 doing what he did in the video. I don’t think that would happen, would it? That shows why Vader is not a “good” character, he is just a C grade character.
I reckon this will be the prequel GL toon, along with Kenobi.
Better relic up that Darth Sidious to 7! *gulp*
Probably, but with the ESB anniversary here, I thought why not?
Are we pretending that "ignoring 100% of defense" isn't huge? Ignoring most or all of the target's defense is half the reason Sith Empire teams hit as hard as they do. Also the weapon tech gives 15% TM every enemy turn and Wat provides healing plus dots to beef up the saber toss, so that isn't "all he's getting."
I wouldn't count on this. Pre-suit Darth Vader has what, like 10 minutes of actual screen time? There's so little to go on for them to base a kit around that I just don't see it happening.
I get your point, he’s not a priority, but he isn’t as good as he should or could be. I would prefer seeing a Mace rework, but since it’s the anniversary of the ESB, why not make him part of the meta? Revan is good because of his leader etc. The only reason you called Vader good is because of one ability which he solely relies on debuffs for. What if you can’t get debuffs to land, what then? Vader won’t do anything because he can’t deal as much damage as possible. Someone like HK can already deal bonkers damage to a Jedi. I have a gear 10 HK I think. I don’t have DR but my HK can do upwards of 50k if I can land a crit. GG is still usable at g12. My original post is my g12 Vader not being able to beat some g9 Jedi, so how we’ve gotten so derailed from there is amusing. GG or DR or HK would have no problem with that team, but for some odd reason Darth Vader, one of the most powerful Sith ever can’t do what an asthmatic droid can is sad. If Vader can’t beat the team I showed, that’s disappointing. Take out Bastila Fallen form a DR team and it’s still useful. Most of the time when I’m playing in Arena, Bastila doesn’t scare me. Rex gives tenacity up so she can’t apply fear. Revan’s fear goes through the tenacity up. If some debuffs land I can easily just cleanse them with Shaak Ti. Wat gives him ignoring defence. You make it sound like that’s a minuscule improvement. Do you know how much armour Malak has? Take off that tech and Vader wouldn’t nearly one shot him (he might, but that depends on if there were a lot of debuffs, A LOT. With the tech on you just need a couple debuffs and boom: 200k). For you to say that “all Vader gets from Wat is ignoring defense” makes you sound like a clown to me, as if you don’t know much about stats, such as armour and resistance, two important factors to look out for when fighting tanky characters like Malak. And let’s not talk about Turn Meter. What does what give, like an extra 15% percent? That’s a lot. A whole lot. That can influence the entire tide of the battle. More turns = more debuffs = more damage, take off that turn meter = not as many debuffs = not as much damage. Do you see how influential Wat is?
Of course I know how to use him, it’s why he was my first g12 way back when. I used him for an entire year in my arena until I got some other, better characters. And you’re saying Hyoda can somehow make two trash gear 9 characters beat my g12 Vader? You must be absurd to think such things. Geos? How can you compare Plo Koon and Mace Windu to a team of Geos? Do you understand how insane that is? That’s just stupid, there’s no other way of saying it.
Vader is not a “good” character. A “good” character would be someone like Raid Han. A high damage dealing character (like Vader) but doesn’t need all of these synergies to make him good. You can put him on some random team and he adds something to it. Not to long ago some people had problems with DR vs GAS. They decided to put Han in and he was needed for that team to work against GAS. Take Han out of a rebel squad, what do they become. An “eh” team. Take Vader out of a Sith team. What happens then, not much changes, there’s so many more options. How often do you see people using Vader in the top 100 in Arena. From my experience there is next to no one. Because he’s not as useful as some other characters, some characters who some of the Star Wars fan base could have no idea about (like Bastila, not a commonly used name in Star Wars conversations) are better than one of the most iconic characters in all of TV and movies. That’s crazy to think about. I’m not necessarily saying that he needs a complete overhaul. I should probably rephrase my statement to get a Vader touch-up to make him more viable as an option for months to come.