Upcoming Changes To The Pit Challenge Tier [MEGA]

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  • Checked with devs. Here's the breakdown:

    2% Health lost this battle = 20% total stat increase
    4% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% = 60% total stat increase
    6% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% = 120% total stat increase
    8% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% + 80% = 200% total stat increase
    10% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% + 80% + 100% = 300% total stat increase

    oof
    “But you know what I always say: Speak softly and drive a big tank.”
  • Iy4oy4s
    2352 posts Member
    edited March 5
    For each 2% Health lost this battle, this unit gains 20% Offense and Speed (stacking). These bonuses increase by an additional 20% each time.

    So its 40% increased offense and speed every 2% damage dealt?? 20% and the additional 20%=40%, am I reading this wrong?

    Edit: Saw Doja's post....oof. I Will wait to see it in action before judging, but this seems a little high.
  • Kyno
    30051 posts Moderator
    @Iy4oy4s he posted the same time as you, see above.
  • Ultra
    7714 posts Moderator
    UdalCuain wrote: »
    I may have been a bit premature with my post. My main hope was that people would no longer be able to mess up the runs of others by premature posting, which the update covers.

    I agree, the premature posting change is fantastic

    Removing global thresholds and replacing with each run instance threshold is a very positive move, threshold limits however, is eh
  • Well the changes make sense. What other changes could they possibly make to remove the "must attack at same time" thing that would still keep the raid behind a paywall that only whale guilds can beat? Nothing. This was the only solution.

    Quite frankly I'm glad with my nearly 7m GP multi-GL roster I'll be able to ditch my dolphin guild of 3 years and join a whale guild that will be able to complete the raid. All others, spend harder I guess.
  • dgree
    400 posts Member
    good god. congratulations most guilds, you can now do whatever you want in Rancor since you won't complete it anyway--there are no real mechanics the boss just murders you. Guess the whole raid now is just gonna be like throwing babies at a brick wall. Fun!
  • I mean I am glad they updated to just that specific run which is huge. The only thing that worry’s me is how fast it ramps up maybe that should be 5% but maybe I am wrong and will eat my own words. The only thing that still needs a huge change is the rewards.
  • MaruMaru
    2260 posts Member
    Ultra wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    For each 2% Health lost this battle, this unit gains 20% Offense and Speed (stacking). These bonuses increase by an additional 20% each time.

    Wasn't expecting a 2% threshold, i guess the intention is that each member contributes at least 2% per run, resulting in 100% (50x2) makes mercing more of a pain though

    2% is only where you start to see it. Planning, team comp, development, and as always RNG can get you past that point in a run.

    Also, now you can make as many tries as you want for an ideal run....

    I know kyno, my point is that the raid rewards are pretty bad with respect to aeromagnifiers but you could've solved the uneven distribution with posting larger scores per run by splitting the guild in half

    I don't want multiple runs for top score for aeromagnifier

    its basically a r5 roster check to get most aeromagnifiers now


  • I'm fine with this solution. That mechanic was crippling for us. we could barely get ppl together for a p1 clear. and ppl posting early meant practicing on p2 was difficult too.
  • BPRDHB
    19 posts Member
    I think someone on your design team has dyslexia and put "2%" instead of "5%".
  • My best guess is good runs with strong teams top out between 4 to 6%. Mediocre teams are probable 2 to 4%. Basically, if your guild was mercing to spread out rewards, or using heavy hitters, my threshold guess is about 20 players hitting 5% per phase. For a roster with 4 GL's, this should be easy. It will be a lot harder for small merc bands to carry a raid though it seems.

    Also, agree with everyone else that the rewards on the aero's should be flattened. Make the "reward curve" with gear or currency, but flatten the aero's.
    Do or Do not.

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  • One big problem created by this change is the same as in the original pit run... It is far easier to do damage in P1 vs the other 4 phases... It will also likely be easier to put up solid numbers in P2/P3 then in P4.

    It will just be a different headache for some Guild Leaders to police....
  • MaruMaru
    2260 posts Member
    edited March 5
    Seeing Doja's post, what's the logic that thought a single %20 bump every %2 not enough? We shouldn't get phase solos, but we -should- get a bit of high scores given we have multiple teams that can make it.

    *scratch that. Now I get this happens within the run and resets in between runs.
  • Ultra
    7714 posts Moderator
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    Seeing Doja's post, what's the logic that thought a single %20 bump every %2 not enough? We shouldn't get phase solos, but we -should- get a bit of high scores given we have multiple teams that can make it.

    *scratch that. Now I get this happens within the run and resets in between runs.

    Kyno confirmed the intention is that the more r5s you have, the higher your raid placement should be

    Its no longer a "build the best raid team to score higher"
  • MaruMaru
    2260 posts Member
    Ok then...from where I stand, this is a good thing. I have what it takes, so does my guild. More investment=better raid prowess. No hi score placement steals depending on a single factor (gl).
  • MaruMaru
    2260 posts Member
    How about this bit where they got rid of "tripled for gls" clause. What's your guess about gl power in this new paradigm:

    At the start of each of its turns, this unit gains 50 Armor Penetration and 10% Critical Chance, Critical Damage, and Potency (stacking) and all enemies both active and defeated lose 5% Offense, Tenacity, and Mastery (stacking, max 10 stacks) until end of encounter.
  • Shouldn't the rewards be addressed if you are going to require this much participation from a guild? The rewards for this event are really sad unless you get first (and still).
  • Ultra
    7714 posts Moderator
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    Ok then...from where I stand, this is a good thing. I have what it takes, so does my guild. More investment=better raid prowess. No hi score placement steals depending on a single factor (gl).

    The lack of co-ordination is a good thing, but the lack of competition in the guild isn't

    This update has two parts, removal of co-ordination (great!) and unable to score more than 2% damage on most runs (bad)
  • MaruMaru
    2260 posts Member
    Ultra wrote: »
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    Ok then...from where I stand, this is a good thing. I have what it takes, so does my guild. More investment=better raid prowess. No hi score placement steals depending on a single factor (gl).

    The lack of co-ordination is a good thing, but the lack of competition in the guild isn't

    This update has two parts, removal of co-ordination (great!) and unable to score more than 2% damage on most runs (bad)

    Competition will be there, the way competition happens will be different and it won't depend on whether you have x gl, but have many well built r5 teams, instead of the 2 you know that will score best and make anything else not matter.
  • Checked with devs. Here's the breakdown:

    2% Health lost this battle = 20% total stat increase
    4% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% = 60% total stat increase
    6% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% = 120% total stat increase
    8% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% + 80% = 200% total stat increase
    10% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% + 80% + 100% = 300% total stat increase

    Is that % of health lost this battle a percentage of his total health or the health when that particular battle starts?

    That will be quite different as you get later in that phase.
    DISCLAIMER: Post is subject to change.
  • Kyno
    30051 posts Moderator
    Ultra wrote: »
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    Seeing Doja's post, what's the logic that thought a single %20 bump every %2 not enough? We shouldn't get phase solos, but we -should- get a bit of high scores given we have multiple teams that can make it.

    *scratch that. Now I get this happens within the run and resets in between runs.

    Kyno confirmed the intention is that the more r5s you have, the higher your raid placement should be

    Its no longer a "build the best raid team to score higher"

    Did I?

  • Checked with devs. Here's the breakdown:

    2% Health lost this battle = 20% total stat increase
    4% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% = 60% total stat increase
    6% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% = 120% total stat increase
    8% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% + 80% = 200% total stat increase
    10% Health lost this battle = 20% + 40% + 60% + 80% + 100% = 300% total stat increase

    oof

    all this because you OP'd one character... good work y'all. smh.
  • Ravens1113
    3438 posts Member
    Kyno wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    Seeing Doja's post, what's the logic that thought a single %20 bump every %2 not enough? We shouldn't get phase solos, but we -should- get a bit of high scores given we have multiple teams that can make it.

    *scratch that. Now I get this happens within the run and resets in between runs.

    Kyno confirmed the intention is that the more r5s you have, the higher your raid placement should be

    Its no longer a "build the best raid team to score higher"

    Did I?

    I mean you don’t have to really.

    The stacking mechanic as it’s built now per run is demanding so many more R5 teams per member. What wouldn’t kick in until 20% is now kicking in even greater at 6%.
    2% sees a 20% jump. I mean ok. Cool.
    4% sees 60% jump.
    6% sees 120% jump.

    If that’s their intent I mean ok, but cmon you could make the cut off at 10% and still get the desired outcome, just not so drastically
  • BPRDHB
    19 posts Member
    MaruMaru wrote: »

    The lack of co-ordination is a good thing, but the lack of competition in the guild isn't

    This update has two parts, removal of co-ordination (great!) and unable to score more than 2% damage on most runs (bad)

    Competition will be there, the way competition happens will be different and it won't depend on whether you have x gl, but have many well built r5 teams, instead of the 2 you know that will score best and make anything else not matter.[/quote]

    Most guilds have players run 1 squad per phase, so 4 squads. This is probably going to require doubling that (maybe more?), so double the work while people wait for the next phase to open up as that won't change where squads need to be used.
  • Ultra
    7714 posts Moderator
    Kyno wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    Seeing Doja's post, what's the logic that thought a single %20 bump every %2 not enough? We shouldn't get phase solos, but we -should- get a bit of high scores given we have multiple teams that can make it.

    *scratch that. Now I get this happens within the run and resets in between runs.

    Kyno confirmed the intention is that the more r5s you have, the higher your raid placement should be

    Its no longer a "build the best raid team to score higher"

    Did I?

    you did bold that part of my post and said the topic was discussed and they still went with this implementation

    Guess i made some incorrect assumptions of my own that I shouldn't have when inferring your post
  • Nauros
    4300 posts Member
    Pros: It now stacks per individual run.
    Cons: It now stacks even more insanely than ever before.
    I was expecting some lower threshold for individual runs, but this is just crazy. Teams that scored reasonable percentage before will get screwed now. I don't think we will be able to complete phase 4 now, and we recently did it with current modifiers. I call bantha poodoo on "maintain which Guilds can complete this event".
    Revive the stores, the game needs it.
  • MaruMaru wrote: »
    How about this bit where they got rid of "tripled for gls" clause. What's your guess about gl power in this new paradigm:

    At the start of each of its turns, this unit gains 50 Armor Penetration and 10% Critical Chance, Critical Damage, and Potency (stacking) and all enemies both active and defeated lose 5% Offense, Tenacity, and Mastery (stacking, max 10 stacks) until end of encounter.

    So GLs should do better then, right?
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