I've been calling for a very specific buff to FOST for a LONG time that would make him an intricate, viable, desirable, maybe even NECESSARY component of any good FO team:
ADD Critical Damage Up buff (2-3 turns) to his "The Order Relentless" special. You'd stop hearing complaints about Kylo being a wet noodle and how FOTP "should" be dealing more damage. Most FO characters have a massive health pool, so giving them defense up, advantage, and crit damage up would be something to revere...
I do also agree that more FO characters need to be introduced. I'd love to see a General Hux with a similar kit to Tarkin
That's a good suggestion but they could give him a taunt and maybe add critical damage to a random ally whenever he is hit like how st Han adds tm when he's hit
First order has all of the things you need for a good synergy but they must be missing something to make them usable anyone know what that is if you do please tell me
First order has all of the things you need for a good synergy but they must be missing something to make them usable anyone know what that is if you do please tell me
I tried them in GW today to try and formulate some opinions.
First Order Tie Pilot has no health steal, ugh.....
First Order Stormtrooper has a useless special as discussed to death
First Order Officer needs to be less random with marching orders. He should just give out to the ally with the last turn meter so it's predictable.
Kylo Ren has no synergy at all with the first order...
First order has all of the things you need for a good synergy but they must be missing something to make them usable anyone know what that is if you do please tell me
I tried them in GW today to try and formulate some opinions.
First Order Tie Pilot has no health steal, ugh.....
First Order Stormtrooper has a useless special as discussed to death
First Order Officer needs to be less random with marching orders. He should just give out to the ally with the last turn meter so it's predictable.
Kylo Ren has no synergy at all with the first order...
I hope the developers read that comment the first order needs some love because they are a recreation of the mighty empire (which I'm farming)
First order has all of the things you need for a good synergy but they must be missing something to make them usable anyone know what that is if you do please tell me
I tried them in GW today to try and formulate some opinions.
First Order Tie Pilot has no health steal, ugh.....
First Order Stormtrooper has a useless special as discussed to death
First Order Officer needs to be less random with marching orders. He should just give out to the ally with the last turn meter so it's predictable.
Kylo Ren has no synergy at all with the first order...
I hope the developers read that comment the first order needs some love because they are a recreation of the mighty empire (which I'm farming)
Hope you enjoy your Empire team!
The more and more I think about it the more I truly love the start of the Sequel Trilogy and I really hope they give this era in general some love.
It seems like First Order and Resistance are never considered for more characters. And even when adding other factions like say Scoundrels, I bet the Guavian death gang was never brought up.
I think phasma lead is aleady really good mabye if kylo got some advantage synergy and another first order character granted crit damage up to allies as a unique or special also increase kylo's damage.
Phasma is definitely a great leader, but I like having options. Especially as more characters get added.
For instance Emperor Palpatine is obviously has a great Empire leader bonus, but Tarkin and Vader both have good leader abilities as well with a lot of merit of you decided to use either of them.
Phasma is definitely a great leader, but I like having options. Especially as more characters get added.
For instance Emperor Palpatine is obviously has a great Empire leader bonus, but Tarkin and Vader both have good leader abilities as well with a lot of merit of you decided to use either of them.
True but they should fix the characters they have first but a kylo lead would be good mabye gain crit damage up on a crit or when you get advantage
First Order has a lot of potential, but just falls flat as a team. I guess the main problem is that they're all slow, and don't have overwhelming synergy. (Not to mention the slow speed of farming FOST and FOTP).
Anyway, I planned on getting a full FO team, and bailed on it a while back because they aren't that good, from anything I've read. But with new character introductions, this could probably be fixed. I'm thinking the main character they need is Hux, and why isn't he in the game? It feels like they got lazy with FOO and decided Hux wasn't necessary.
Well, here's my proposed kit for Hux:
Basic - Quick Shot: Deal physical damage to enemy with a 50% chance to attack another random enemy.
Special 1 - Air Strike: Hux calls in TIE fighters, dealing huge damage to all enemies. If two or more enemies dodge, all First Order allies gain Advantage, and the cooldown is reduced by 1. If the ally already has advantage, gain critical damage up for 2 turns.
COOLDOWN - 5 turns.
Special 2 - General of the First Order: Hux calls for a random ally to taunt for two turns. If the ally is First Order, also gain Retribution for two turns.
COOLDOWN - 4 turns.
Leader - Bring Order to the Galaxy: All First Order allies have +25 speed.
Unique - Glory of the First Order: Whenever a First Order ally scores a critical hit, all allies gain 10% turn meter. (AoE still only gives 10%)
All these abilities would be maxed. I tried to have his abilities stay in line with the rest of the First Order synergies, advantage being the main thing here. I felt speed as a leader ability was the most important thing for a First Order team, so I went that way with it.
I like it! I'm not sure First Order has TIE Bombers (I certainly hope so!). Abilities are well thought out.
1. Tarkin lead gives 28 speed, so we could bump Hux up 3.
2. I'm scared of a taunting FOTP dying but he'll deal good damage in the meantime I suppose.
I guess that's true, we haven't seen bombers, yet. It still could work, just call in TIE fighters instead, those things seemed to have more power than the old TIE fighters, anyway. They did have an aerial strike on Jakku, though, so that's the same idea for that move.
As for the speed, I wasn't totally sure where Tarkin and QGJ were with their speed leads, so definitely bump that up, then.
With the taunt, yea, FOTP was really my main worry with that. But he would really pack a punch with that. The other thing would be whether you chose to use that move when playing as the team. It would definitely be a questionable move there, but I thought it was somewhat unique and pretty cool.
Regarding special 1,there should be a fallback case if the character already has advantage. I propose either turn meter or crit damage up.
That's a really good thought. I'd say either crit damage up or crit chance up, due to turn meter gain on crits from his unique. I kinda like crit damage more, as that benefits First Order a lot, since most of them have low damage. I'll add that in.
First Order has a lot of potential, but just falls flat as a team. I guess the main problem is that they're all slow, and don't have overwhelming synergy. (Not to mention the slow speed of farming FOST and FOTP).
Anyway, I planned on getting a full FO team, and bailed on it a while back because they aren't that good, from anything I've read. But with new character introductions, this could probably be fixed. I'm thinking the main character they need is Hux, and why isn't he in the game? It feels like they got lazy with FOO and decided Hux wasn't necessary.
Well, here's my proposed kit for Hux:
Basic - Quick Shot: Deal physical damage to enemy with a 50% chance to attack another random enemy.
Special 1 - Air Strike: Hux calls in TIE fighters, dealing huge damage to all enemies. If two or more enemies dodge, all First Order allies gain Advantage, and the cooldown is reduced by 1. If the ally already has advantage, gain critical damage up for 2 turns.
COOLDOWN - 5 turns.
Special 2 - General of the First Order: Hux calls for a random ally to taunt for two turns. If the ally is First Order, also gain Retribution for two turns.
COOLDOWN - 4 turns.
Leader - Bring Order to the Galaxy: All First Order allies have +25 speed.
Unique - Glory of the First Order: Whenever a First Order ally scores a critical hit, all allies gain 10% turn meter. (AoE still only gives 10%)
All these abilities would be maxed. I tried to have his abilities stay in line with the rest of the First Order synergies, advantage being the main thing here. I felt speed as a leader ability was the most important thing for a First Order team, so I went that way with it.
How much damage will he deal and will be be fast because you might have made the solution to first orders' problems.
First Order has a lot of potential, but just falls flat as a team. I guess the main problem is that they're all slow, and don't have overwhelming synergy. (Not to mention the slow speed of farming FOST and FOTP).
Anyway, I planned on getting a full FO team, and bailed on it a while back because they aren't that good, from anything I've read. But with new character introductions, this could probably be fixed. I'm thinking the main character they need is Hux, and why isn't he in the game? It feels like they got lazy with FOO and decided Hux wasn't necessary.
Well, here's my proposed kit for Hux:
Basic - Quick Shot: Deal physical damage to enemy with a 50% chance to attack another random enemy.
Special 1 - Air Strike: Hux calls in TIE fighters, dealing huge damage to all enemies. If two or more enemies dodge, all First Order allies gain Advantage, and the cooldown is reduced by 1. If the ally already has advantage, gain critical damage up for 2 turns.
COOLDOWN - 5 turns.
Special 2 - General of the First Order: Hux calls for a random ally to taunt for two turns. If the ally is First Order, also gain Retribution for two turns.
COOLDOWN - 4 turns.
Leader - Bring Order to the Galaxy: All First Order allies have +25 speed.
Unique - Glory of the First Order: Whenever a First Order ally scores a critical hit, all allies gain 10% turn meter. (AoE still only gives 10%)
All these abilities would be maxed. I tried to have his abilities stay in line with the rest of the First Order synergies, advantage being the main thing here. I felt speed as a leader ability was the most important thing for a First Order team, so I went that way with it.
How much damage will he deal and will be be fast because you might have made the solution to first orders' problems.
Let's see. I'd say his basic should be around a 5-6K, maybe 8K for crits. Not too strong, pretty close to Phasma level. And this would be maxed. Maybe a bit stronger, but I think that's a good spot to be.
Air Strike should do top tier AoE damage. Up there with Ani and Lando, maybe even higher because it has a big cooldown. So, maybe somewhere between 10-15K, depending on crits.
I think his health should again be pretty similar to Phasma, it seems like a good level to be at. He certainly doesn't need to be up near the health of Kylo, but should certainly be higher than FOTP, so I think around Phasma's health would be a good balance.
His speed should be higher than FO toons. Being that his whole goal is to speed up FO, and help to buff them through different abilities and TM gain, I believe he should be in the 140s. It puts him as a higher speed toon, but not top tier. With his leader ability, this puts him up near 170ish, which I think would be a really good spot to be. He still likely doesn't move first, but he can move fast enough that it can get the team going a little bit.
First Order has a lot of potential, but just falls flat as a team. I guess the main problem is that they're all slow, and don't have overwhelming synergy. (Not to mention the slow speed of farming FOST and FOTP).
Anyway, I planned on getting a full FO team, and bailed on it a while back because they aren't that good, from anything I've read. But with new character introductions, this could probably be fixed. I'm thinking the main character they need is Hux, and why isn't he in the game? It feels like they got lazy with FOO and decided Hux wasn't necessary.
Well, here's my proposed kit for Hux:
Basic - Quick Shot: Deal physical damage to enemy with a 50% chance to attack another random enemy.
Special 1 - Air Strike: Hux calls in TIE fighters, dealing huge damage to all enemies. If two or more enemies dodge, all First Order allies gain Advantage, and the cooldown is reduced by 1. If the ally already has advantage, gain critical damage up for 2 turns.
COOLDOWN - 5 turns.
Special 2 - General of the First Order: Hux calls for a random ally to taunt for two turns. If the ally is First Order, also gain Retribution for two turns.
COOLDOWN - 4 turns.
Leader - Bring Order to the Galaxy: All First Order allies have +25 speed.
Unique - Glory of the First Order: Whenever a First Order ally scores a critical hit, all allies gain 10% turn meter. (AoE still only gives 10%)
All these abilities would be maxed. I tried to have his abilities stay in line with the rest of the First Order synergies, advantage being the main thing here. I felt speed as a leader ability was the most important thing for a First Order team, so I went that way with it.
How much damage will he deal and will be be fast because you might have made the solution to first orders' problems.
Let's see. I'd say his basic should be around a 5-6K, maybe 8K for crits. Not too strong, pretty close to Phasma level. And this would be maxed. Maybe a bit stronger, but I think that's a good spot to be.
Air Strike should do top tier AoE damage. Up there with Ani and Lando, maybe even higher because it has a big cooldown. So, maybe somewhere between 10-15K, depending on crits.
I think his health should again be pretty similar to Phasma, it seems like a good level to be at. He certainly doesn't need to be up near the health of Kylo, but should certainly be higher than FOTP, so I think around Phasma's health would be a good balance.
His speed should be higher than FO toons. Being that his whole goal is to speed up FO, and help to buff them through different abilities and TM gain, I believe he should be in the 140s. It puts him as a higher speed toon, but not top tier. With his leader ability, this puts him up near 170ish, which I think would be a really good spot to be. He still likely doesn't move first, but he can move fast enough that it can get the team going a little bit.
That sounds good but you could add some sort of tm gain on crits to his leader too speed them up some more
First Order has a lot of potential, but just falls flat as a team. I guess the main problem is that they're all slow, and don't have overwhelming synergy. (Not to mention the slow speed of farming FOST and FOTP).
Anyway, I planned on getting a full FO team, and bailed on it a while back because they aren't that good, from anything I've read. But with new character introductions, this could probably be fixed. I'm thinking the main character they need is Hux, and why isn't he in the game? It feels like they got lazy with FOO and decided Hux wasn't necessary.
Well, here's my proposed kit for Hux:
Basic - Quick Shot: Deal physical damage to enemy with a 50% chance to attack another random enemy.
Special 1 - Air Strike: Hux calls in TIE fighters, dealing huge damage to all enemies. If two or more enemies dodge, all First Order allies gain Advantage, and the cooldown is reduced by 1. If the ally already has advantage, gain critical damage up for 2 turns.
COOLDOWN - 5 turns.
Special 2 - General of the First Order: Hux calls for a random ally to taunt for two turns. If the ally is First Order, also gain Retribution for two turns.
COOLDOWN - 4 turns.
Leader - Bring Order to the Galaxy: All First Order allies have +25 speed.
Unique - Glory of the First Order: Whenever a First Order ally scores a critical hit, all allies gain 10% turn meter. (AoE still only gives 10%)
All these abilities would be maxed. I tried to have his abilities stay in line with the rest of the First Order synergies, advantage being the main thing here. I felt speed as a leader ability was the most important thing for a First Order team, so I went that way with it.
How much damage will he deal and will be be fast because you might have made the solution to first orders' problems.
Let's see. I'd say his basic should be around a 5-6K, maybe 8K for crits. Not too strong, pretty close to Phasma level. And this would be maxed. Maybe a bit stronger, but I think that's a good spot to be.
Air Strike should do top tier AoE damage. Up there with Ani and Lando, maybe even higher because it has a big cooldown. So, maybe somewhere between 10-15K, depending on crits.
I think his health should again be pretty similar to Phasma, it seems like a good level to be at. He certainly doesn't need to be up near the health of Kylo, but should certainly be higher than FOTP, so I think around Phasma's health would be a good balance.
His speed should be higher than FO toons. Being that his whole goal is to speed up FO, and help to buff them through different abilities and TM gain, I believe he should be in the 140s. It puts him as a higher speed toon, but not top tier. With his leader ability, this puts him up near 170ish, which I think would be a really good spot to be. He still likely doesn't move first, but he can move fast enough that it can get the team going a little bit.
That sounds good but you could add some sort of tm gain on crits to his leader too speed them up some more
I've already got that for his unique. Adds 10% turn meter to all allies whenever a First Order character scores a critical hit. Unless you were saying add more turn meter with his leader ability, so that there were two ways to increase TM.
Must say, awesome thread @Aero huge First Order fan here and desperate to play with my FO team but as you all know they just can't compete. Kylo needs a massive rework as does FOST and FOO. But nonetheless, love the thread. If you ever need a guild, consider joining my guild, the First Order Arsenal!
I'm going to start modding my First Order soon. I have a lot of potency and damage mods, but I'm thinking I'll just stick to potency. Maybe even 3 sets of potency since they all have some need for it besides FOTP. And I can give him health mods.
Our should I just load everyone up with health mods?
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That's a good suggestion but they could give him a taunt and maybe add critical damage to a random ally whenever he is hit like how st Han adds tm when he's hit
Additionally, coming from the Empire I love my Tarkin and would love a similar character in Hux.
I tried them in GW today to try and formulate some opinions.
First Order Tie Pilot has no health steal, ugh.....
First Order Stormtrooper has a useless special as discussed to death
First Order Officer needs to be less random with marching orders. He should just give out to the ally with the last turn meter so it's predictable.
Kylo Ren has no synergy at all with the first order...
I hope the developers read that comment the first order needs some love because they are a recreation of the mighty empire (which I'm farming)
Hope you enjoy your Empire team!
The more and more I think about it the more I truly love the start of the Sequel Trilogy and I really hope they give this era in general some love.
It seems like First Order and Resistance are never considered for more characters. And even when adding other factions like say Scoundrels, I bet the Guavian death gang was never brought up.
Though I bet the majority of that is because Rey, similar to how Empire only held up somewhat due to RG (and now can more or less compete with EP).
But yes First Order has no true stand out.
What do you think about Kylo Ren getting a critical damage leader ability?
For instance Emperor Palpatine is obviously has a great Empire leader bonus, but Tarkin and Vader both have good leader abilities as well with a lot of merit of you decided to use either of them.
True but they should fix the characters they have first but a kylo lead would be good mabye gain crit damage up on a crit or when you get advantage
Anyway, I planned on getting a full FO team, and bailed on it a while back because they aren't that good, from anything I've read. But with new character introductions, this could probably be fixed. I'm thinking the main character they need is Hux, and why isn't he in the game? It feels like they got lazy with FOO and decided Hux wasn't necessary.
Well, here's my proposed kit for Hux:
Basic - Quick Shot: Deal physical damage to enemy with a 50% chance to attack another random enemy.
Special 1 - Air Strike: Hux calls in TIE fighters, dealing huge damage to all enemies. If two or more enemies dodge, all First Order allies gain Advantage, and the cooldown is reduced by 1. If the ally already has advantage, gain critical damage up for 2 turns.
COOLDOWN - 5 turns.
Special 2 - General of the First Order: Hux calls for a random ally to taunt for two turns. If the ally is First Order, also gain Retribution for two turns.
COOLDOWN - 4 turns.
Leader - Bring Order to the Galaxy: All First Order allies have +25 speed.
Unique - Glory of the First Order: Whenever a First Order ally scores a critical hit, all allies gain 10% turn meter. (AoE still only gives 10%)
All these abilities would be maxed. I tried to have his abilities stay in line with the rest of the First Order synergies, advantage being the main thing here. I felt speed as a leader ability was the most important thing for a First Order team, so I went that way with it.
1. Tarkin lead gives 28 speed, so we could bump Hux up 3.
2. I'm scared of a taunting FOTP dying but he'll deal good damage in the meantime I suppose.
I guess that's true, we haven't seen bombers, yet. It still could work, just call in TIE fighters instead, those things seemed to have more power than the old TIE fighters, anyway. They did have an aerial strike on Jakku, though, so that's the same idea for that move.
As for the speed, I wasn't totally sure where Tarkin and QGJ were with their speed leads, so definitely bump that up, then.
With the taunt, yea, FOTP was really my main worry with that. But he would really pack a punch with that. The other thing would be whether you chose to use that move when playing as the team. It would definitely be a questionable move there, but I thought it was somewhat unique and pretty cool.
That's a really good thought. I'd say either crit damage up or crit chance up, due to turn meter gain on crits from his unique. I kinda like crit damage more, as that benefits First Order a lot, since most of them have low damage. I'll add that in.
Ha, good point. Wasn't thinking. I changed it to add in crit damage. Also added in cooldowns on specials.
How much damage will he deal and will be be fast because you might have made the solution to first orders' problems.
Let's see. I'd say his basic should be around a 5-6K, maybe 8K for crits. Not too strong, pretty close to Phasma level. And this would be maxed. Maybe a bit stronger, but I think that's a good spot to be.
Air Strike should do top tier AoE damage. Up there with Ani and Lando, maybe even higher because it has a big cooldown. So, maybe somewhere between 10-15K, depending on crits.
I think his health should again be pretty similar to Phasma, it seems like a good level to be at. He certainly doesn't need to be up near the health of Kylo, but should certainly be higher than FOTP, so I think around Phasma's health would be a good balance.
His speed should be higher than FO toons. Being that his whole goal is to speed up FO, and help to buff them through different abilities and TM gain, I believe he should be in the 140s. It puts him as a higher speed toon, but not top tier. With his leader ability, this puts him up near 170ish, which I think would be a really good spot to be. He still likely doesn't move first, but he can move fast enough that it can get the team going a little bit.
That sounds good but you could add some sort of tm gain on crits to his leader too speed them up some more
I've already got that for his unique. Adds 10% turn meter to all allies whenever a First Order character scores a critical hit. Unless you were saying add more turn meter with his leader ability, so that there were two ways to increase TM.
Our should I just load everyone up with health mods?
Looks much better than those Lego versions.