Sandbagging, the new normal?

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Throughout my Grand Arena, dozens of level 1s is common place. (One player has 70 level 1 toons) This is not "focus," this is sandbagging. Now, while the devs have clearly stated that they did not want to give players a competitive advantage to not level/ gear toons (Paper Zombie), they went out of their way to create an event which gives significant competitive advantages to having unleveled and ungeared toons.

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  • Maybe so, but wheres the fun in that, opposed to the meager stuff you get in GA? Let those **** have their way and get over it. The time for a broad rooster will come.....
  • TVF
    15139 posts Member
    Wow, someone unlocked both Pao and a time machine almost two years ago!
    TVF's guild is recruiting. Say hi in our Discord! https://discord.gg/AmStGTH
  • Who the hell cares. I get stuff either way.
    Hey, it's still better than MSF
  • Any time there is a new mod, some are ready and some are not. But now all know what they have to do if they want to do well in GA; field 10-14 PvP quality squads. If your GP is high but you don’t have enough squads, then you know what you have to do.
  • When it takes months to farm a hard node to 7*, Why do you think all those characters are sitting like that? Because with few exceptions, a 3*, level 85 G11 character has little of value. Except for GP deployment in TB.
  • Lio
    576 posts Member
    So you’re accusing a player of “sandbagging” for GA by not leveling a bunch of toons BEFORE the GA mode was even announced? While I’m sure they won’t be leveling those toons now, except the KOTOR ones that will be needed for something, it’s hardly “sandbagging” that they didn’t level toons from several months ago. We haven’t even started the first official GA yet. The formula will get tweaked.... getting the game mode up and running was more important. Let’s quit acting like the matchmaking formula will never be adjusted. The TW formula goes far beyond GP and they are aware that GP isn’t the best comparison.

    ^ THIS

    It isn't sandbagging. They simply had a different approach than you did and it's benefiting them. It isn't their fault.

    Other facets of the game benefit you and having a higher PG. Not EVERY aspect of this game has to be a convenient bonus for you.
  • YamoGetcha wrote: »
    It's not sandbagging, it's resource management. A bunch of G8 level 85 toons are worthless except for TB deployments. You help your guild, and yourself, a lot more by having a few strong teams than a ton of GP inflating ones.

    I don't know about you but I'm not struggling with credits and grey/blue gear. Resource management suggests that resources are in limit supply. They are not.
    Ironically, you unwittingly make my point. G8, Lvl 85 are worthless. I know. So are G1, Lvl 1. The problem is that G8 lvl 85 toons are beyond worthless, they are an active disadvantage. Once again, Paper Zombie: a G7 zombie was better than a G12. The devs said they didn't like that.
  • While this person isn't sandbagging, the issue still exists. I use to keep all my characters at level 1 until they had a real purpose. Guess what? TB came out and my new baseline is gear VIII and level 80. Now I'm not even activating characters until they are 7* and/or have a use. This will be the new reality for many..
  • YKMisfit wrote: »
    Sorry OP, you're way off on this one. Over half of those toons shown are marquee characters that came out in the last half a year or so. Of the remaining 10, 7 of them are absolutely terrible characters and two are decent only as pilots.

    Why, exactly, should this person feel obligated to take resources away from the characters they use to bring these guys up again?

    I dont know about you but putting gear on a G1 never prevented me from gearing Chewie any other high level toon.
  • YamoGetcha wrote: »
    It's not sandbagging, it's resource management. A bunch of G8 level 85 toons are worthless except for TB deployments. You help your guild, and yourself, a lot more by having a few strong teams than a ton of GP inflating ones.

    I don't know about you but I'm not struggling with credits and grey/blue gear.

    So, your entire roster is level 85 g7?
    Resource management suggests that resources are in limit supply. They are not.

    Yes, they are. We are not given unlimited credits or energy or gear, which by definition means we must manage the resources we are given to accomplish what we want.

    But, all that aside, this guy had no way of knowing even 3 months ago that GA was going to be a thing, much lease 2 years ago when Pao came out. He activated the character and then left it alone. This is not sandbagging. Sandbagging would be deliberately dropping your GP after learning that it would give you an advantage, not leaving your characters you don't have a use for alone for ... well, forever.
  • Snake2
    1366 posts Member
    Agreed that this is not sand bagging. However, if the matchmaking is going to be gp based, how about only looking at the gp of the number of toons required for the mode?

    So if you're setting 7 teams on defense, do a match based on the total combined gp of the top 70 toons. ( 5 toons for 7 defense and 7 offense squads).

    It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be better.
  • For people with gp over, say, 3.5m, a better pairing algorithm would look only at toons g10 and up and ignore the rest
  • StarSon wrote: »
    So, your entire roster is level 85 g7?

    I've been playing for 3 years. I'm at the point where I can level grey mods just to see. Unfortunately, I cant unlevel my useless toons. Now, your answer seems to be that I should have predicted GA 3 years ago and planned ahead.
  • Boba_The_Fetter
    3132 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    There should be more factors in the matchmaking algorithm. Currently it's quite obviously just total gp.....thats it... That's the whole system. It should include how many zetas, how many G12, how many legendaries, how many heroes journey toons and then go from there.

    But jeez that would require work
  • Are people familiar with the term "ex post facto"? It literally means "after the fact." When I started 3 years ago, we were encouraged to max out toons. In fact, mod farming required useless toons. Additionally, some toons became useless as the game progressed. Zmaul, ZQGJ were meta, now they are on the trash heap.
    Then came TB and we were told to build GP.
    Now GA tells us to not level. I'm sorry, but I can't unlevel and unzeta characters from 2 years ago.
  • It’s garbage like this that makes CG ignore player feedbacks because no matter what they do, some people WILL find something to complain about.
  • @C_Augustus1 So would you rather he didn't bother activating those toons at all? What point exactly are you trying to make, outside of complaining about the fact that someone didn't bother to throw away resources on useless toons to inflate their GP.

    I smile when I see rosters like this. I think to myself "this player gets it", and then I look at their mods, and I find I'm usually right.
  • Jarvind
    2419 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    "This person didn't waste resources on unused characters, therefore they should be punished!"
    Are people familiar with the term "ex post facto"? It literally means "after the fact." When I started 3 years ago, we were encouraged to max out toons. In fact, mod farming required useless toons. Additionally, some toons became useless as the game progressed. Zmaul, ZQGJ were meta, now they are on the trash heap.
    Then came TB and we were told to build GP.
    Now GA tells us to not level. I'm sorry, but I can't unlevel and unzeta characters from 2 years ago.

    I'm lost, here - is there some reason you can't use those characters in GA? Maybe they won't work great as a first line of defense, but for your back territories or as an attacker they're likely still fine. You have to remember that your opponent is playing the same game as you, trying to balance how many "good" teams they need to put on defense while still leaving adequate resources to attack with. If they go a little light on the attack, your "useless" Zmaul sith team might work perfectly well.

    During the trial run I busted out a team of Ackbar, Princess Leia, Lando Calrissian, Wedge, and Young Lando. That's an absolute garbage team, but on offense against a similar-GP team it worked alright, because the AI is dumb and easy to beat.
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