they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
Why would you assume anything else?
How about the fact that 2 of the packs say “great mods” on them and the most expensive pack says “powerful mods” on it.
What does that even mean?
Beats me. People should always do their research before buying something. Advertising is always deceptive.
While I agree advertising can often be deceptive, it’s certainly not always deceptive and definitely not always this deceptive.
Mostly disagree.
I'm watching Super Size Me 2 atm and the entire industry does this.
LOL ok, I certainly understand advertising and tricks. Not all products require tricks and deception in their advertising.
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
I don't understand why anyone would think these are somehow new, magical mods with guaranteed rolls that were introduced with no explanation that they were indeed some new type of mod that guaranteed good rolls
Well mods are programmed when bought in stores or gained to already have a predetermined roll to them. How you upgrade it is irrelevant as it would just be the same mod in the end, ergo 3 levels at once or upgrade to 12.
People figured that CG, selling a pack of mods for $100, would include mods they programmed to have at least a certain amount of speed boosts to them or boosts to the stats they’re advertising.
I do agree though, expecting it without them telling us is setting yourself up for failure if you have any dealing with CG and their tactics just this year alone. Unless it’s spelled out for you, don’t assume they’re doing the right thing lol
They have stated that that is not how it works. they are not predetermined. they are rolled when you hit the upgrade button.
any assumption based on what you are saying is not based on any stated information.
That’s not what’s been said. If you could find where they said otherwise I’d appreciate it because the last I remember they said that when a mod is bought, how you roll it will not change what the mod is going to give. So if I were to take a mod and upgrade it to lv12 immediately rather than incrementally from 3 to 6 to 9 to 12; the resulting boosts would be the same.
They should have put a simple disclaimer along with these packs that no secondary stat is guaranteed to be maxed out upon upgrade of these mods.
That is all. Simple, to the point, and honest.
This cash grab is almost as bad as the subhumans hoarding PPE to sell on eBay during the pandemic. CG knows more people are at home and playing their game and released a purposely deceptive pack of mods in the hope of ripping people off.
Sorry to those who were tricked. I for one was not.
Do the right thing and put in a disclaimer about these mods having NO guarantee of any secondary stat being raised to max after purchase.
why would you think these mods are somehow different than every other mod in the game?
They are advertised in a purposely deceptive way. They are marketed for 75 dollars. They have an extremely high base speed stat. They claim they are ‘powerful’.
No other mods in the game are or claim any of the above.
they have the highest base stat that is offered (and every mod has a chance to have)
and are powerful because of that and specifically tailored to have stats to benefit the suggested character.
no other mod can claim that (at least not for direct purchase) which again is what makes them powerful.
it is not deceptive.
Your view is wildly subjective and tainted by your allegiance to CG.
I am done arguing with NPCs, the facts are laid bare and reasonable human beings know what is going on.
I’ve said what needs to be said and with that, you NPCs can have your oh so important last word.
Buyer beware, you were warned.
That is not my view, those are what are called facts. they describe the situation as it is.
anyone trying to make the situation something else, is adding spin and opinion, but there are no statements that are made about these mods or from the seller(the dev team) to give the impression that they would be handled any differently than any other mod.
yes they could have stated that. many have said this already and many have agreed.
It is also a fact that you are forgetting only 2 mods out of 5 have a +6 base speed.
How are those 3 other mods "specifically tailored to have stats to benefit the suggested character" when speed is the key?
Because there are other stats in the game, and these are the ones the designers of the kits deemed to be most useful for the character.
In breaking news, CG is going to introduce a new pack for Win and Nuke Kill your opponents. Upon spending this token your team will insta **** your opponent's team no matter if it is arena, GA, or TB/TW/etc.
To protect the "integrity" of game play you cannot **** your opponent more than once per hour.
Defending the move, one high profile comment board dweller said "what's new, whales have always had the advantage. They could always buy wins. Stop whining". Another said "I support CG, they're so great. Will speed up games".. While a disillusioned whale said "I don't want to be seen as a serial Win and Nuke Kill- er". People who manage the board said "I'm not supporting or defending CG. But this mechanic is awesome. It just kills the other team. Just stating the facts, ma'am".
The pack for 50 Win and Nuke Kill tokens will cost $5,000 and will be a one time, greatest ever purchase which may be offered every week.
I’d buy that, because it’s open and honest and does what it’s stated to do.
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
Why would you assume anything else?
How about the fact that 2 of the packs say “great mods” on them and the most expensive pack says “powerful mods” on it.
What does that even mean?
Beats me. People should always do their research before buying something. Advertising is always deceptive.
While I agree advertising can often be deceptive, it’s certainly not always deceptive and definitely not always this deceptive.
Mostly disagree.
I'm watching Super Size Me 2 atm and the entire industry does this.
LOL ok, I certainly understand advertising and tricks. Not all products require tricks and deception in their advertising.
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
I don't understand why anyone would think these are somehow new, magical mods with guaranteed rolls that were introduced with no explanation that they were indeed some new type of mod that guaranteed good rolls
Well mods are programmed when bought in stores or gained to already have a predetermined roll to them. How you upgrade it is irrelevant as it would just be the same mod in the end, ergo 3 levels at once or upgrade to 12.
People figured that CG, selling a pack of mods for $100, would include mods they programmed to have at least a certain amount of speed boosts to them or boosts to the stats they’re advertising.
I do agree though, expecting it without them telling us is setting yourself up for failure if you have any dealing with CG and their tactics just this year alone. Unless it’s spelled out for you, don’t assume they’re doing the right thing lol
They have stated that that is not how it works. they are not predetermined. they are rolled when you hit the upgrade button.
any assumption based on what you are saying is not based on any stated information.
That’s not what’s been said. If you could find where they said otherwise I’d appreciate it because the last I remember they said that when a mod is bought, how you roll it will not change what the mod is going to give. So if I were to take a mod and upgrade it to lv12 immediately rather than incrementally from 3 to 6 to 9 to 12; the resulting boosts would be the same.
I am working on getting a response stated by them, but I have confirmation that yes. each upgrade point (slice or level upgrade) is a random roll when it happens. nothing is predetermined. @Ravens1113
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
Why would you assume anything else?
How about the fact that 2 of the packs say “great mods” on them and the most expensive pack says “powerful mods” on it.
What does that even mean?
Beats me. People should always do their research before buying something. Advertising is always deceptive.
While I agree advertising can often be deceptive, it’s certainly not always deceptive and definitely not always this deceptive.
Mostly disagree.
I'm watching Super Size Me 2 atm and the entire industry does this.
LOL ok, I certainly understand advertising and tricks. Not all products require tricks and deception in their advertising.
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
I don't understand why anyone would think these are somehow new, magical mods with guaranteed rolls that were introduced with no explanation that they were indeed some new type of mod that guaranteed good rolls
Well mods are programmed when bought in stores or gained to already have a predetermined roll to them. How you upgrade it is irrelevant as it would just be the same mod in the end, ergo 3 levels at once or upgrade to 12.
People figured that CG, selling a pack of mods for $100, would include mods they programmed to have at least a certain amount of speed boosts to them or boosts to the stats they’re advertising.
I do agree though, expecting it without them telling us is setting yourself up for failure if you have any dealing with CG and their tactics just this year alone. Unless it’s spelled out for you, don’t assume they’re doing the right thing lol
They have stated that that is not how it works. they are not predetermined. they are rolled when you hit the upgrade button.
any assumption based on what you are saying is not based on any stated information.
That’s not what’s been said. If you could find where they said otherwise I’d appreciate it because the last I remember they said that when a mod is bought, how you roll it will not change what the mod is going to give. So if I were to take a mod and upgrade it to lv12 immediately rather than incrementally from 3 to 6 to 9 to 12; the resulting boosts would be the same.
I remember this statement being somewhere too, maybe in a Q/A? That doesn't mean what the mods will roll in adjusted in any way though(unless they say otherwise), just that it's rnged at the time the mod is rolled and stored in the mods information.
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Oh so you know people that had Raddus/Finalizer without buying the packs? Without buying the shards for RH Poe? Hmmm interesting....
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Oh so you know people that had Raddus/Finalizer without buying the packs? Without buying the shards for RH Poe? Hmmm interesting....
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You understand there's thing called hoarding, right?
Also, the one nice thing about GLs is that "first time" or "day 1" is no longer a meaningful thing. If it takes a week after the event drops to get everything in order, you're only a week behind, not 4-6 months.
To be fair, that's very impressive. From my own guild, GLs are being talked about in the sense of maybe 6 - 8 weeks' away. And that's for those that spend (not saying they're Whales or anything).
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
You said giffy didn’t know any FTP that had unlocked a GL. You’re now changing that to it’s not fun?
Wait until "they must be lying" card comes up next, it always does xD
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
You said giffy didn’t know any FTP that had unlocked a GL. You’re now changing that to it’s not fun?
Oh I’m still saying I doubt he knows anyone. I’d like him to post some SWGOH profiles of those he does.
I’ll redact my statement of NONE got it though. Although I stand by saying it’s getting exponentially harder to do so as F2P since JKR. Would you agree with that or no?
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
You said giffy didn’t know any FTP that had unlocked a GL. You’re now changing that to it’s not fun?
Oh I’m still saying I doubt he knows anyone. I’d like him to post some SWGOH profiles of those he does.
I’ll redact my statement of NONE got it though. Although I stand by saying it’s getting exponentially harder to do so as F2P since JKR. Would you agree with that or no?
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
You said giffy didn’t know any FTP that had unlocked a GL. You’re now changing that to it’s not fun?
Oh I’m still saying I doubt he knows anyone. I’d like him to post some SWGOH profiles of those he does.
I’ll redact my statement of NONE got it though. Although I stand by saying it’s getting exponentially harder to do so as F2P since JKR. Would you agree with that or no?
Giraffe, you could just post some profiles of FTP that got a / those GLs as free to play. I believe you stated that you know 'plenty'.
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
You said giffy didn’t know any FTP that had unlocked a GL. You’re now changing that to it’s not fun?
Oh I’m still saying I doubt he knows anyone. I’d like him to post some SWGOH profiles of those he does.
I’ll redact my statement of NONE got it though. Although I stand by saying it’s getting exponentially harder to do so as F2P since JKR. Would you agree with that or no?
Giraffe, you could just post some profiles of FTP that got a / those GLs as free to play. I believe you stated that you know 'plenty'.
That’s not his style. He prefers to just make snide comments and be sarcastic. Oh well.
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
You said giffy didn’t know any FTP that had unlocked a GL. You’re now changing that to it’s not fun?
Oh I’m still saying I doubt he knows anyone. I’d like him to post some SWGOH profiles of those he does.
I’ll redact my statement of NONE got it though. Although I stand by saying it’s getting exponentially harder to do so as F2P since JKR. Would you agree with that or no?
Since this is going off topic all I’m gonna say is I hope my opponents have the same bad luck as I do rolling mods.
We all have more bad luck than good rolling mods lol.
Worst luck I ever had though? Found an awesome mod in the shop, speed triangle with crit damage starting with 5 speed. Solid secondaries like offense, offense % and health points. Every single roll went to health points....it crushed my very soul lol
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
If only there was an option for CG not selling out everythinh to be P2W. Now even Mods are sold. Soon there will be toons that you have to buy. Why not? CG would sell their mother (if it was not illegal)
the point is you don't have to buy these mods, just like you don't have to buy the characters, or anything else in this game. I will never understand why people question a business selling a product. Is it because they also offer the same product for free, you just need to wait/work for it?
I think the biggest issue people have is not that there are paywalls in the game but how much those walls have been built up to include since JKR. With each new meta/legendary/ whoever, you can’t hoard or get it F2P with proper planning. Even with the GL’s the amount of gear and relics for any of them was astronomical and required some kind of monetary purchase to participate in them day 1. It was impossible otherwise.
I’ve never had a problem with whales or krakens getting the first crack at things, but my issue is that you almost need to spend money and can’t even hoard to get the shiny new toy anymore.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
You seriously underestimate how much FTP players can and do hoard crystals and manage other resources.
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
You said giffy didn’t know any FTP that had unlocked a GL. You’re now changing that to it’s not fun?
Oh I’m still saying I doubt he knows anyone. I’d like him to post some SWGOH profiles of those he does.
I’ll redact my statement of NONE got it though. Although I stand by saying it’s getting exponentially harder to do so as F2P since JKR. Would you agree with that or no?
Giraffe, you could just post some profiles of FTP that got a / those GLs as free to play. I believe you stated that you know 'plenty'.
There are 2 ftp in my guild who have SLK already. It’s not impossible and they are both big contributors to guild activity. I also wouldn’t blast their profiles on here without their permission, and I’m guessing Gifafi has the same decency.
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If you’re going to spend $75 or whatever on 6 mods that aren’t guaranteed to drop 27+ speeds, you might as well buy a vault and just use it to farm mods and build like that. You’ll probably come out with a bunch of usable mods
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@Ravens1113 can you find yours?
No that is not what I recall them saying. I will look.
Because there are other stats in the game, and these are the ones the designers of the kits deemed to be most useful for the character.
I’d buy that, because it’s open and honest and does what it’s stated to do.
I am working on getting a response stated by them, but I have confirmation that yes. each upgrade point (slice or level upgrade) is a random roll when it happens. nothing is predetermined.
@Ravens1113
I remember this statement being somewhere too, maybe in a Q/A? That doesn't mean what the mods will roll in adjusted in any way though(unless they say otherwise), just that it's rnged at the time the mod is rolled and stored in the mods information.
lol this is wrong. I mean the GL's on day 1 maybe, but that's bc of the ticket system. plenty of people I know had GAS day 1, and have unlocked GL's without spending.
Oh so you know people that had Raddus/Finalizer without buying the packs? Without buying the shards for RH Poe? Hmmm interesting....
Are you stating that you know FTP players that have unlocked one or both of the Galactic Legends?
So if I roll a mod to level 3, then 6. It will give me a different boost upgrade if I were to immediately jump to 6?
So immediately to 6 could give me 2 speed bumps and going to 3 to 6 would give potentially something totally different?
yes, multiple. but not both gl's afaik
still yes.
He doesn’t because given the complexity, gear reqs and the fact that RH Poe was released to the tables right when GL’s unlocked theres absolutely no way, nor is it feasible that Hux and Sith Trooper were farmed without purchasing packs or massive refreshes (crystal purchases) given how close their release to the table farms to the GL unlocks.
lol. gitgud
If he doesn’t, then I do.
You understand there's thing called hoarding, right?
Also, the one nice thing about GLs is that "first time" or "day 1" is no longer a meaningful thing. If it takes a week after the event drops to get everything in order, you're only a week behind, not 4-6 months.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/227068/f2p-gl-progress
To be fair, that's very impressive. From my own guild, GLs are being talked about in the sense of maybe 6 - 8 weeks' away. And that's for those that spend (not saying they're Whales or anything).
At the cost of losing GAC, TW’s and falling behind in almost every aspect of the game. One of the first posters in the thread liliath posted even said he couldn’t gear anyone or keep up anywhere else and the game lost all fun while doing that. Sounds fun lol
Wait until "they must be lying" card comes up next, it always does xD
Oh I’m still saying I doubt he knows anyone. I’d like him to post some SWGOH profiles of those he does.
I’ll redact my statement of NONE got it though. Although I stand by saying it’s getting exponentially harder to do so as F2P since JKR. Would you agree with that or no?
Giraffe, you could just post some profiles of FTP that got a / those GLs as free to play. I believe you stated that you know 'plenty'.
That’s not his style. He prefers to just make snide comments and be sarcastic. Oh well.
We all have more bad luck than good rolling mods lol.
Worst luck I ever had though? Found an awesome mod in the shop, speed triangle with crit damage starting with 5 speed. Solid secondaries like offense, offense % and health points. Every single roll went to health points....it crushed my very soul lol
There are 2 ftp in my guild who have SLK already. It’s not impossible and they are both big contributors to guild activity. I also wouldn’t blast their profiles on here without their permission, and I’m guessing Gifafi has the same decency.
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