Nightsister Zombie Rework: Begone Paper, Hello Fat [MEGA]

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  • Thank you for validating my decision to not work on NS at all out side of easy character farms. I am extremely glad I have invested zero gear into any of these characters. I can't imagine how **** people are who got them not just geared up but zetad. You should refund all NS zetas so people at least get that investment back now that you gutted their ability in both p3 and p4.
  • CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    Copied here for ease: "When Nightsister Zombie is defeated by this effect, she loses all Protection, dispels all negative Speed effects from Endless Horde and revives with 50% Turn Meter."

    Undying Sacrifice's revives will reset the negative speed from Endless Horde, re-enabling Zombie's ability to take turns and taunt.

    But she isn't being defeated by the effect, she is being revived by it.
  • Also I just realized that you just created the same scenario as paper zombie for the P3 team. Leaving Zombie at G9 (and modded with speed so she can take a few turns before dying) so you don't have the new Unique reviving the first 2 other Nightsisters the first time they die seems more beneficial at the moment. Thoughts?
    @CG_TopHat
  • Burritto wrote: »
    I don't think it's intricate enough.

    Lol
  • Let's all just see it unfold first
  • Therion wrote: »
    CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    Copied here for ease: "When Nightsister Zombie is defeated by this effect, she loses all Protection, dispels all negative Speed effects from Endless Horde and revives with 50% Turn Meter."

    Undying Sacrifice's revives will reset the negative speed from Endless Horde, re-enabling Zombie's ability to take turns and taunt.

    But she isn't being defeated by the effect, she is being revived by it.

    Underneath the hood, she's being defeated by Undying Sacrifice and being revived by Endless Horde. Then Undying Sacrifice feeds turn meter to the Endless Horde revive.
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    Not saying anyone is wrong, I just am going to wait to pass judgement until I have had a couple of opportunities to try it out.

    I will however say that I took Zombie to gear 8 and stopped. I am definitely bummed because I have very little intention of taking her to a higher level gear atm. Too many other projects, but that is my choice. My HSR score will take a hit as zombie is probably out of my top 10 gear projects right now.
  • Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    Nah it says when Zombie has undying sacrifice and is revived, the speed penalties are removed
  • Kreontas wrote: »
    Also I just realized that you just created the same scenario as paper zombie for the P3 team. Leaving Zombie at G9 (and modded with speed so she can take a few turns before dying) so you don't have the new Unique reviving the first 2 other Nightsisters the first time they die seems more beneficial at the moment. Thoughts?
    @CG_TopHat

    If she's not g10 she can permanently die. That basically ruins her.
  • Ruark_Icefire
    758 posts Member
    edited September 2018
    CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    Copied here for ease: "When Nightsister Zombie is defeated by this effect, she loses all Protection, dispels all negative Speed effects from Endless Horde and revives with 50% Turn Meter."

    Undying Sacrifice's revives will reset the negative speed from Endless Horde, re-enabling Zombie's ability to take turns and taunt.

    Isn't that only when another NS dies? If Undying Sacrifice is out of charges and Zombie gets -100% speed is there any way for her to ever take a turn again?
  • CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    Copied here for ease: "When Nightsister Zombie is defeated by this effect, she loses all Protection, dispels all negative Speed effects from Endless Horde and revives with 50% Turn Meter."

    Undying Sacrifice's revives will reset the negative speed from Endless Horde, re-enabling Zombie's ability to take turns and taunt.

    But she isn't being defeated by the effect, she is being revived by it.

    Underneath the hood, she's being defeated by Undying Sacrifice and being revived by Endless Horde. Then Undying Sacrifice feeds turn meter to the Endless Horde revive.

    To be clear, I am not talking about her dying instead of another NS. I am just talking about an enemy defeating her while she is at -100% speed. In that case, it counts as a defeat by Undying Sacrifice?
  • Complicated mechanics is how the game got here. The newest released characters will eventually be the target of this same style of rework, due to very closely related interactions that are just now being theory crafted. I'm neither happy, or upset, but it reaffirms that the designs are complicated, even to the game developers.
  • CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    Copied here for ease: "When Nightsister Zombie is defeated by this effect, she loses all Protection, dispels all negative Speed effects from Endless Horde and revives with 50% Turn Meter."

    Undying Sacrifice's revives will reset the negative speed from Endless Horde, re-enabling Zombie's ability to take turns and taunt.

    But she isn't being defeated by the effect, she is being revived by it.

    Underneath the hood, she's being defeated by Undying Sacrifice and being revived by Endless Horde. Then Undying Sacrifice feeds turn meter to the Endless Horde revive.

    @CG_TopHat
    Just one more thing. Does this only happen for the 2 instances where she takes the place of allies? After the 2 instances if she dies with -100 speed does the speed rest again?
  • Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    I was kinda it sounded like that too, but under an Asajj lead, you can get her TM up to 100%, so you might be able to drag her back out of it again.
  • MCGrex
    18 posts Member
    edited September 2018
    @CG_TopHat Any reason that new passive is on zombie? a lifeless corpse that is being reanimated by Old Daka herself, it might make sense for a similar effect to belong to Daka herself since the zombie isn't actually individually powerful but rather an extension of Daka's rather impressive NS Magics.
  • Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    I was kinda it sounded like that too, but under an Asajj lead, you can get her TM up to 100%, so you might be able to drag her back out of it again.

    We've already been told here that she won't take a turn at 100% TM if she has no speed.
  • Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    I was kinda it sounded like that too, but under an Asajj lead, you can get her TM up to 100%, so you might be able to drag her back out of it again.

    A character with 0 speed can't take a turn even with 100% TM.
  • Jenari_DwInZz_
    25 posts Member
    edited September 2018
    You know if you want to use the protect my investment excuse when are you going to protect my investment in arena with all those 3* to 6* Bastila and 5 to 6* Traya's?

    I invested heavily in my 7* g12 arena teams too, so if you want to use this excuse you should draw one line and dont allow lower level stars/gear in Arena also...
    Post edited by Jenari_DwInZz_ on
  • Does the speed stack between rounds?
  • CG_TopHat wrote: »
    Therion wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this correctly, Undying Sacrifice allows zombie to be revived at -100% speed, but she can never get that speed back, so she will never take another turn or be able to regain taunt.

    Which means the extra revive is only useful for feeding AV, Daka, etc. Am I wrong?

    Copied here for ease: "When Nightsister Zombie is defeated by this effect, she loses all Protection, dispels all negative Speed effects from Endless Horde and revives with 50% Turn Meter."

    Undying Sacrifice's revives will reset the negative speed from Endless Horde, re-enabling Zombie's ability to take turns and taunt.

    Isn't that only when another NS dies? If Undying Sacrifice is out of charges and Zombie gets -100% speed is there any way for her to ever take a turn again?

    No there is not.
  • Kreontas wrote: »
    Also I just realized that you just created the same scenario as paper zombie for the P3 team. Leaving Zombie at G9 (and modded with speed so she can take a few turns before dying) so you don't have the new Unique reviving the first 2 other Nightsisters the first time they die seems more beneficial at the moment. Thoughts?
    @CG_TopHat

    If she's not g10 she can permanently die. That basically ruins her.

    At G8 and modded she can take a few hits before dying so it shouldn't be an issue.
  • Well zombie might not be as good but Daka and asajj will work great with Talzin lead and use initiate. Now HAAT solo capable with that set up
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