GP Matchmaking & “Fluff”

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  • IDinDooNuffin
    450 posts Member
    edited February 27
    Waqui wrote: »
    Tanzos wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    So again:

    Weak characters can help you win. Why shouldn't their GP be included in the calculation/algorithm?

    Weak characters didn't "help" you win. You won because you have the dominant fleet.

    I had weak characters to put on my defense, so that I could save all my strong and mediocre characters for offense to make sure, that I would be able to clear my opponent's board. I was at a quite large disadvantage in characters, remember?! So yes, they helped me.

    I do applaud you for winning under the quite large disadvantage.

    I actually believe, that I had the advantage, because of my strong fleet. Even though my opponent ranked 20 in fleet arena, his ships were significantly weaker than mine, giving me the advantage.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    However, there shouldn't be a disadvantage. No one should have an advantage over someone else. It should be a relatively fair matchup and whoever set the best defense and played the best offense wins.

    I disagree. I believe, that even matchups are not fair for those, who have the stronger roster (same GP - less 'fluff'). Why should players with weaker rosters have an equal chance of winning prizes for rank 1 as the ones with stronger rosters? With even match-ups, players with much stronger rosters (still same GP) will end up at 0/3 victories, while players with far weaker rosters will end up with 3/3 and better prizes. I don't see how that is fair. Even and fair are two different things.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    At least that's what many of us want and I would assume the devs intended this game mode to be. "THE ULTIMATE TEST OF SKILL". But we have yet to even receive the smallest of responses from anyone official whether or not GA should be fair or if people should have advantages and disadvantages.

    We don't have anything official, but I believe it's safe to assume that it's intended that players with weaker rosters are mixed with players with stronger rosters (same GP).

    You say it again even after its been answered.

    Most of us talking about fluff. Joined before tw or GA existed. We built for TB not knowing TW was coming. We were coached by holotable hero in game mails to build GP (fluff) for better results in TB.

    At your. 2 mil GP, you clearly started game after TW came to be and the TB strategy became no longer appropriate. So thats why (to re answer your repeated question)

    I should not be punished for joining the game at least a year before you.
  • Either remove fluff for a fair matchup. Or limit matchups to in shard
  • Why is this post not locked yet??? If you have the same gp as another person its the exact same line up... if you chose to gear up youe characters instead of farm every other character that’s your choice . I chose to gear up my toons and mod them to suit. I win every time, surely players like me should be rewarded for spending the time to win? Like any game you don’t play to lose? You wouldn’t go into a casino and play with someo one with £1 million on the table if you can only play with £100...

    Trash arguments. Most of you are trying to penalise players like me who have worked on my roster properly. I don’t want to face players double my gp. I do that in the arena.... if i did i’d want tripple the reward for double the fall, back to the casino, the table wouldn’t let me face the person with £1million because i only have £100.

    It’s straight forward answer if you don’t like the GA, don’t play it, if you don’t like losing then (SHOCK) don’t play it. It’s a fun installment to the game and most of you are crying about it. ITS FAIR END OF.

  • Why is this post not locked yet??? If you have the same gp as another person its the exact same line up... if you chose to gear up youe characters instead of farm every other character that’s your choice . I chose to gear up my toons and mod them to suit. I win every time, surely players like me should be rewarded for spending the time to win? Like any game you don’t play to lose? You wouldn’t go into a casino and play with someo one with £1 million on the table if you can only play with £100...

    Trash arguments. Most of you are trying to penalise players like me who have worked on my roster properly. I don’t want to face players double my gp. I do that in the arena.... if i did i’d want tripple the reward for double the fall, back to the casino, the table wouldn’t let me face the person with £1million because i only have £100.

    It’s straight forward answer if you don’t like the GA, don’t play it, if you don’t like losing then (SHOCK) don’t play it. It’s a fun installment to the game and most of you are crying about it. ITS FAIR END OF.

    Who defined "properly"? Who decided what the "proper" roster is?

    If CG says "A lean top heavy roster is what you all should do" then okay. (Odds of them responding are less than 3,720/1).

    But over the years they've remarked how they've wanted to incentivize players to expand their rosters. That's where our disconnect is as a community. And why this argument still exists.
  • TRanger
    304 posts Member
    edited February 27
    Tanzos wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    So again:

    Weak characters can help you win. Why shouldn't their GP be included in the calculation/algorithm?

    Weak characters didn't "help" you win. You won because you have the dominant fleet.

    I had weak characters to put on my defense, so that I could save all my strong and mediocre characters for offense to make sure, that I would be able to clear my opponent's board. I was at a quite large disadvantage in characters, remember?! So yes, they helped me.

    I do applaud you for winning under the quite large disadvantage.

    However, there shouldn't be a disadvantage. No one should have an advantage over someone else. It should be a relatively fair matchup and whoever set the best defense and played the best offense wins.

    At least that's what many of us want and I would assume the devs intended this game mode to be. "THE ULTIMATE TEST OF SKILL". But we have yet to even receive the smallest of responses from anyone official whether or not GA should be fair or if people should have advantages and disadvantages.
  • Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.
  • No_Try
    3836 posts Member
    Why is this post not locked yet??? If you have the same gp as another person its the exact same line up... if you chose to gear up youe characters instead of farm every other character that’s your choice . I chose to gear up my toons and mod them to suit. I win every time, surely players like me should be rewarded for spending the time to win? Like any game you don’t play to lose? You wouldn’t go into a casino and play with someo one with £1 million on the table if you can only play with £100...

    Trash arguments. Most of you are trying to penalise players like me who have worked on my roster properly. I don’t want to face players double my gp. I do that in the arena.... if i did i’d want tripple the reward for double the fall, back to the casino, the table wouldn’t let me face the person with £1million because i only have £100.

    It’s straight forward answer if you don’t like the GA, don’t play it, if you don’t like losing then (SHOCK) don’t play it. It’s a fun installment to the game and most of you are crying about it. ITS FAIR END OF.

    What if...they changed how GP is calculated? I doubt you bothered to read the topic throughly and consider the ideas presented.
  • TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..
  • Waqui
    6055 posts Member
    Tanzos wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »

    We don't have anything official, but I believe it's safe to assume that it's intended that players with weaker rosters are mixed with players with stronger rosters (same GP).

    This is why so many of these posts exists. No one can agree on how GA should be implemented and what is right.

    Sure would be great to have someone official on the forums to help guide us on this issue and their intent... *ahem*

    @CG_Carrie @CG_CapGaSP

    I wouldn't hold my breath for CG to reveal the details of their algorithm.
  • Waqui
    6055 posts Member
    Waqui wrote: »
    Post the screen shots. Otherwise my **** claim stands.

    Result of Round:

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    Result of GA. From avatars and titles you see my 3 total wins and my opponent's 2 wins.

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    My front zone defense. All three zones had similar defensive teams (I have screenshots):

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    I also have screenshots to document the following:

    My total character GP : 1.489 million
    My ships GP : 1.158 million
    My number of g12 characters : 14

    Opponent's character GP : 1.679 million
    Opponent's ship GP : 957k
    Opponent's number of g12 characters : 23



    Touché kind of.
    1.) The amount of times that will work you can count on 1 hand.

    That was the 4th time that strategy won me the battle. At least it's the 4th time I applied against an opponent with significantly weaker ships than I and significantly more g12 characters.
    I see your defense was wiped in 1 shot each. Same as if you hadnt set a defense except for that fleet.

    My opponent probably also got bonus points for unuseds slots. Still, setting defense also scores points. It's required to win.
    Sooo good job, but that negates nothing as far as fluff. And for those of us who built for TB prior to TW are being punished for coached game play (at the time)

    Well, fluff had the exact same type of effect on match-making in TW as it does now in GA. It's not a new phenomenon.
    Further you won because of your ships not with your weakntoon defense placement. So you were corrdct saying you won. Butnitnwasnt BECAUSE you placed weak toons it just was while you posted weak toons and a strong fleet.

    I won because I saved all (ALL) my strong and mediocre characters for offense to make sure, that I would clear all zones - no matter how many attempts it would have taken, and no matter which counter was required. That's kind of the same as winning because I set a weak defense.

  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..

    What if you have all the good characters and fluff?
  • No_Try
    3836 posts Member
    Tanzos wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..

    What if you have all the good characters and fluff?

    Nah, can't happen. Doesn't fit it with his -did it yourself, everything is a choice, you chose it- narrative xD
  • Tanzos wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..

    What if you have all the good characters and fluff?

    Then you should have no issue, if you have all the good toons then you have plenty enough to be competitive in a GA.... There are only so many spots to set defence and fight....
  • Waqui
    6055 posts Member
    edited February 27
    Waqui wrote: »
    Tanzos wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    So again:

    Weak characters can help you win. Why shouldn't their GP be included in the calculation/algorithm?

    Weak characters didn't "help" you win. You won because you have the dominant fleet.

    I had weak characters to put on my defense, so that I could save all my strong and mediocre characters for offense to make sure, that I would be able to clear my opponent's board. I was at a quite large disadvantage in characters, remember?! So yes, they helped me.

    I do applaud you for winning under the quite large disadvantage.

    I actually believe, that I had the advantage, because of my strong fleet. Even though my opponent ranked 20 in fleet arena, his ships were significantly weaker than mine, giving me the advantage.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    However, there shouldn't be a disadvantage. No one should have an advantage over someone else. It should be a relatively fair matchup and whoever set the best defense and played the best offense wins.

    I disagree. I believe, that even matchups are not fair for those, who have the stronger roster (same GP - less 'fluff'). Why should players with weaker rosters have an equal chance of winning prizes for rank 1 as the ones with stronger rosters? With even match-ups, players with much stronger rosters (still same GP) will end up at 0/3 victories, while players with far weaker rosters will end up with 3/3 and better prizes. I don't see how that is fair. Even and fair are two different things.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    At least that's what many of us want and I would assume the devs intended this game mode to be. "THE ULTIMATE TEST OF SKILL". But we have yet to even receive the smallest of responses from anyone official whether or not GA should be fair or if people should have advantages and disadvantages.

    We don't have anything official, but I believe it's safe to assume that it's intended that players with weaker rosters are mixed with players with stronger rosters (same GP).

    You say it again even after its been answered.

    I still haven't seen any answer that justifies, that players with weakly built rosters should have an advantage over players with strongly built rosters, by giving them easier opponents.
    Most of us talking about fluff. Joined before tw or GA existed. We built for TB not knowing TW was coming. We were coached by holotable hero in game mails to build GP (fluff) for better results in TB.

    At your. 2 mil GP, you clearly started game after TW came to be and the TB strategy became no longer appropriate. So thats why (to re answer your repeated question)

    You're assumptions are wrong. This alt is on a march '16 shard (but yes, it was cryogenized for 14 months shortly after creation). I hit level 85 with that account a few months before TB was introduced.

    Nevertheless, the scenario is exactly the same as for older accounts with 4 million GP. Some accounts are fluffed up, while others aren't. Some have significantly more g12 characters than others. Why should players with weaker rosters have easier access to win a GA?
    I should not be punished for joining the game at least a year before you.

    You are not punished. Nothing is taken away from you. Players with stronger rosters than you (same GP) simply have easier access to rank 1 prizes than you. Why should it be any different?

    Post edited by Waqui on
  • Waqui wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Tanzos wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    So again:

    Weak characters can help you win. Why shouldn't their GP be included in the calculation/algorithm?

    Weak characters didn't "help" you win. You won because you have the dominant fleet.

    I had weak characters to put on my defense, so that I could save all my strong and mediocre characters for offense to make sure, that I would be able to clear my opponent's board. I was at a quite large disadvantage in characters, remember?! So yes, they helped me.

    I do applaud you for winning under the quite large disadvantage.

    I actually believe, that I had the advantage, because of my strong fleet. Even though my opponent ranked 20 in fleet arena, his ships were significantly weaker than mine, giving me the advantage.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    However, there shouldn't be a disadvantage. No one should have an advantage over someone else. It should be a relatively fair matchup and whoever set the best defense and played the best offense wins.

    I disagree. I believe, that even matchups are not fair for those, who have the stronger roster (same GP - less 'fluff'). Why should players with weaker rosters have an equal chance of winning prizes for rank 1 as the ones with stronger rosters? With even match-ups, players with much stronger rosters (still same GP) will end up at 0/3 victories, while players with far weaker rosters will end up with 3/3 and better prizes. I don't see how that is fair. Even and fair are two different things.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    At least that's what many of us want and I would assume the devs intended this game mode to be. "THE ULTIMATE TEST OF SKILL". But we have yet to even receive the smallest of responses from anyone official whether or not GA should be fair or if people should have advantages and disadvantages.

    We don't have anything official, but I believe it's safe to assume that it's intended that players with weaker rosters are mixed with players with stronger rosters (same GP).

    You say it again even after its been answered.

    I still haven't seen any answer that justifies, that players with weakly built rosters should have an advantage over players with strongly built rosters, by giving them easier opponents.
    Most of us talking about fluff. Joined before tw or GA existed. We built for TB not knowing TW was coming. We were coached by holotable hero in game mails to build GP (fluff) for better results in TB.

    At your. 2 mil GP, you clearly started game after TW came to be and the TB strategy became no longer appropriate. So thats why (to re answer your repeated question)

    You're assumptions are wrong. This alt is on a march '16 shard (but yes, it was cryogenized for 14 months shortly after creation). I hit level 85 with that account months before TB was introduced.

    Nevertheless, the scenario is exactly the same as for older accounts with 4 million GP. Some accounts are fluffed up, while others aren't. Some have significantly more g12 characters than others. Why should players with weaker rosters have easier access to win a GA?
    I should not be punished for joining the game at least a year before you.

    You are not punished. Nothing is taken away from you. Players with stronger rosters than you (same GP) simply have easier access to rank 1 prizes than you. Why should it be any different?

    Your argument is just silly...so you created an alt account to shed GP in favor of only having o.p. toons. And now you deserve to be given access to premium prizes because you no longer have to fight for them. This is basically what your saying am I right. That is so laughable..but that is exactly what CG is doing and you made the point so clear with that statement as to why the current matchmaking is wrong...Thank you! Now if you would fix this we would all appreciate it CG!
  • TRanger wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Tanzos wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    So again:

    Weak characters can help you win. Why shouldn't their GP be included in the calculation/algorithm?

    Weak characters didn't "help" you win. You won because you have the dominant fleet.

    I had weak characters to put on my defense, so that I could save all my strong and mediocre characters for offense to make sure, that I would be able to clear my opponent's board. I was at a quite large disadvantage in characters, remember?! So yes, they helped me.

    I do applaud you for winning under the quite large disadvantage.

    I actually believe, that I had the advantage, because of my strong fleet. Even though my opponent ranked 20 in fleet arena, his ships were significantly weaker than mine, giving me the advantage.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    However, there shouldn't be a disadvantage. No one should have an advantage over someone else. It should be a relatively fair matchup and whoever set the best defense and played the best offense wins.

    I disagree. I believe, that even matchups are not fair for those, who have the stronger roster (same GP - less 'fluff'). Why should players with weaker rosters have an equal chance of winning prizes for rank 1 as the ones with stronger rosters? With even match-ups, players with much stronger rosters (still same GP) will end up at 0/3 victories, while players with far weaker rosters will end up with 3/3 and better prizes. I don't see how that is fair. Even and fair are two different things.
    Tanzos wrote: »
    At least that's what many of us want and I would assume the devs intended this game mode to be. "THE ULTIMATE TEST OF SKILL". But we have yet to even receive the smallest of responses from anyone official whether or not GA should be fair or if people should have advantages and disadvantages.

    We don't have anything official, but I believe it's safe to assume that it's intended that players with weaker rosters are mixed with players with stronger rosters (same GP).

    You say it again even after its been answered.

    I still haven't seen any answer that justifies, that players with weakly built rosters should have an advantage over players with strongly built rosters, by giving them easier opponents.
    Most of us talking about fluff. Joined before tw or GA existed. We built for TB not knowing TW was coming. We were coached by holotable hero in game mails to build GP (fluff) for better results in TB.

    At your. 2 mil GP, you clearly started game after TW came to be and the TB strategy became no longer appropriate. So thats why (to re answer your repeated question)

    You're assumptions are wrong. This alt is on a march '16 shard (but yes, it was cryogenized for 14 months shortly after creation). I hit level 85 with that account months before TB was introduced.

    Nevertheless, the scenario is exactly the same as for older accounts with 4 million GP. Some accounts are fluffed up, while others aren't. Some have significantly more g12 characters than others. Why should players with weaker rosters have easier access to win a GA?
    I should not be punished for joining the game at least a year before you.

    You are not punished. Nothing is taken away from you. Players with stronger rosters than you (same GP) simply have easier access to rank 1 prizes than you. Why should it be any different?

    Your argument is just silly...so you created an alt account to shed GP in favor of only having o.p. toons. And now you deserve to be given access to premium prizes because you no longer have to fight for them. This is basically what your saying am I right. That is so laughable..but that is exactly what CG is doing and you made the point so clear with that statement as to why the current matchmaking is wrong...Thank you! Now if you would fix this we would all appreciate it CG!

    Go back and reread.... Look at the date his alt was created on....
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..

    You are incorrect..my matches as stated have been 1 sided heavy in favor of Zata count and g12 toons. Stop with your lean and fluffy rooster retic..admit you are being favored in GA because your top 70 toons and only the GP from those toons are up against my entire roster GP which happens to be the same. Why are you so against a balanced challenge and in favor of unbalanced matches. What is it you fear. I know you fear what half of us have faced for 4 months and your matchmaking won't make you have that feel good feeling anymore. We understand all too well.
  • TRanger wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..

    You are incorrect..my matches as stated have been 1 sided heavy in favor of Zata count and g12 toons. Stop with your lean and fluffy rooster retic..admit you are being favored in GA because your top 70 toons and only the GP from those toons are up against my entire roster GP which happens to be the same. Why are you so against a balanced challenge and in favor of unbalanced matches. What is it you fear. I know you fear what half of us have faced for 4 months and your matchmaking won't make you have that feel good feeling anymore. We understand all too well.

    What on earth are you going on about?..... I actually have some fluff in my roster, not a lot but some.... I made focused resource management decisions and took the painstaking task of getting teams and toons up to g12 one at a time, I went through the painful task of farming Talzin to get more Zetas.... I built a fleet capable of doing the zeta challenges as quick as I could and I didn't up useless abilities on useless toons as I chose to save those resources for better toons.... That's the smart way of playing a resource management driven game imop.....

    I'm not "afraid" of anything..... I simply don't see a logical argument as to why I should have to face harder opponents in GA while you get soft easy opponents for the exact same rewards as I do.....
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..

    You are incorrect..my matches as stated have been 1 sided heavy in favor of Zata count and g12 toons. Stop with your lean and fluffy rooster retic..admit you are being favored in GA because your top 70 toons and only the GP from those toons are up against my entire roster GP which happens to be the same. Why are you so against a balanced challenge and in favor of unbalanced matches. What is it you fear. I know you fear what half of us have faced for 4 months and your matchmaking won't make you have that feel good feeling anymore. We understand all too well.

    What on earth are you going on about?..... I actually have some fluff in my roster, not a lot but some.... I made focused resource management decisions and took the painstaking task of getting teams and toons up to g12 one at a time, I went through the painful task of farming Talzin to get more Zetas.... I built a fleet capable of doing the zeta challenges as quick as I could and I didn't up useless abilities on useless toons as I chose to save those resources for better toons.... That's the smart way of playing a resource management driven game imop.....

    I'm not "afraid" of anything..... I simply don't see a logical argument as to why I should have to face harder opponents in GA while you get soft easy opponents for the exact same rewards as I do.....

    Read all of the post...has every one of your matchs in GA been so 1 sided. I'm talking 28-30 zatas vs 44-51 zatas...30g12 toons vs 50-60 g12 toons...that's what I'm talking about. Why should I have too face such hard opponents..let me use your argument. You don't fear it than request CG make changes so as that you get quality fair matches as well. Stop belittle others who's roosters in no way match up too yours. You are currently advocateing for no change...Demand better..or continue to be selfish. Choose!
  • TRanger wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    Where is the test of skill for the guys who are breezeing through. This isn't testing skill. It is allowed a mismatch with blessings and handing hard sought rewards and items to a select group. It is game discrimination. And it isn't being fixed or curtailed, but allowed.

    Nobody is "breezing through"..... By the end of a GA, took with lean rosters face others with lean rosters.....

    There is no discrimination.... This is a resource management game, if you fluffed your roster rather than focusing on good toons, you did it to yourself.... Don't expect the game to reward you for that..

    You are incorrect..my matches as stated have been 1 sided heavy in favor of Zata count and g12 toons. Stop with your lean and fluffy rooster retic..admit you are being favored in GA because your top 70 toons and only the GP from those toons are up against my entire roster GP which happens to be the same. Why are you so against a balanced challenge and in favor of unbalanced matches. What is it you fear. I know you fear what half of us have faced for 4 months and your matchmaking won't make you have that feel good feeling anymore. We understand all too well.

    What on earth are you going on about?..... I actually have some fluff in my roster, not a lot but some.... I made focused resource management decisions and took the painstaking task of getting teams and toons up to g12 one at a time, I went through the painful task of farming Talzin to get more Zetas.... I built a fleet capable of doing the zeta challenges as quick as I could and I didn't up useless abilities on useless toons as I chose to save those resources for better toons.... That's the smart way of playing a resource management driven game imop.....

    I'm not "afraid" of anything..... I simply don't see a logical argument as to why I should have to face harder opponents in GA while you get soft easy opponents for the exact same rewards as I do.....

    Read all of the post...has every one of your matchs in GA been so 1 sided. I'm talking 28-30 zatas vs 44-51 zatas...30g12 toons vs 50-60 g12 toons...that's what I'm talking about. Why should I have too face such hard opponents..let me use your argument. You don't fear it than request CG make changes so as that you get quality fair matches as well. Stop belittle others who's roosters in no way match up too yours. You are currently advocateing for no change...Demand better..or continue to be selfish. Choose!

    What's this about a rooster now?....

    Seriously.... How badly fluffed out do a your roster have to be that you are getting these matches?.....

    Let me ask you, what is your overall GP?
  • 3.8m...yes I have been playing for awhile...the roster..was misspelled...good catch. And yes I have been inflating it by chasing meta toons recently..and I was playing long before TW....TB...and GA. But untill about ahead ago joined a guild to complete raids. So not alot of g12 toons with zatas. Yes I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. Thanks for asking.
  • TRanger wrote: »
    3.8m...yes I have been playing for awhile...the roster..was misspelled...good catch. And yes I have been inflating it by chasing meta toons recently..and I was playing long before TW....TB...and GA. But untill about ahead ago joined a guild to complete raids. So not alot of g12 toons with zatas. Yes I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. Thanks for asking.

    Ok, let's put this in perspective... I have less than half of your overall GP, but I have 2/3 as many Zetas as you and also 2/3 as many g12.....

    The point I am trying to make is that you can't expect to always be chasing mets, hitting those green crosses every time they appear in your lineup regardless of who it is and not focusing and then do well in GA..... The game just doesnt work that way....

    Arena is a great example.... Should they shuffle the shards based on everyone's roster so I have a "fair" or "equal" shot at first place?.... Of course not, because that is not how that game mode works...
  • No_Try
    3836 posts Member
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    3.8m...yes I have been playing for awhile...the roster..was misspelled...good catch. And yes I have been inflating it by chasing meta toons recently..and I was playing long before TW....TB...and GA. But untill about ahead ago joined a guild to complete raids. So not alot of g12 toons with zatas. Yes I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. Thanks for asking.

    Ok, let's put this in perspective... I have less than half of your overall GP, but I have 2/3 as many Zetas as you and also 2/3 as many g12.....

    The point I am trying to make is that you can't expect to always be chasing mets, hitting those green crosses every time they appear in your lineup regardless of who it is and not focusing and then do well in GA..... The game just doesnt work that way....

    Arena is a great example.... Should they shuffle the shards based on everyone's roster so I have a "fair" or "equal" shot at first place?.... Of course not, because that is not how that game mode works...

    Arena is absolutely fair in the way that you are grouped with players that started at the same time as you. CG obviously desires fairness, otherwise there wouldn't be any sort of matchmaking paradigm. There is. And we are debating the accuracy of it.
  • No_Try wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    3.8m...yes I have been playing for awhile...the roster..was misspelled...good catch. And yes I have been inflating it by chasing meta toons recently..and I was playing long before TW....TB...and GA. But untill about ahead ago joined a guild to complete raids. So not alot of g12 toons with zatas. Yes I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. Thanks for asking.

    Ok, let's put this in perspective... I have less than half of your overall GP, but I have 2/3 as many Zetas as you and also 2/3 as many g12.....

    The point I am trying to make is that you can't expect to always be chasing mets, hitting those green crosses every time they appear in your lineup regardless of who it is and not focusing and then do well in GA..... The game just doesnt work that way....

    Arena is a great example.... Should they shuffle the shards based on everyone's roster so I have a "fair" or "equal" shot at first place?.... Of course not, because that is not how that game mode works...

    Arena is absolutely fair in the way that you are grouped with players that started at the same time as you. CG obviously desires fairness, otherwise there wouldn't be any sort of matchmaking paradigm. There is. And we are debating the accuracy of it.

    Fair point, but I would suggest that using GP is fair.... GP is a measure of the resources you have invested into your roster..... The net sum of that investment is what is used to match you against someone who has made the same amount of resource investment.... The roster you are able to field is a product of how to used and patient you were in your farming and team building..... Make solid, patient choices and build solid teams and you will do better in all aspects of the game.... GA included....

    What I will say is unfair (even though it benefits me), is the use of ship GP, and CG has already said they are looking to fix that......
  • No_Try
    3836 posts Member
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    No_Try wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    3.8m...yes I have been playing for awhile...the roster..was misspelled...good catch. And yes I have been inflating it by chasing meta toons recently..and I was playing long before TW....TB...and GA. But untill about ahead ago joined a guild to complete raids. So not alot of g12 toons with zatas. Yes I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. Thanks for asking.

    Ok, let's put this in perspective... I have less than half of your overall GP, but I have 2/3 as many Zetas as you and also 2/3 as many g12.....

    The point I am trying to make is that you can't expect to always be chasing mets, hitting those green crosses every time they appear in your lineup regardless of who it is and not focusing and then do well in GA..... The game just doesnt work that way....

    Arena is a great example.... Should they shuffle the shards based on everyone's roster so I have a "fair" or "equal" shot at first place?.... Of course not, because that is not how that game mode works...

    Arena is absolutely fair in the way that you are grouped with players that started at the same time as you. CG obviously desires fairness, otherwise there wouldn't be any sort of matchmaking paradigm. There is. And we are debating the accuracy of it.

    Fair point, but I would suggest that using GP is fair.... GP is a measure of the resources you have invested into your roster..... .

    Is it though? We discussed this in length. I claim it's absolutely neither a fair measurement of the resources used or the efficacy of the outcome. If it was you would be able to explain how a 10K GP toon is almost complete junk and doesn't compare in anyway to a 20K one. The cost of the resources sinked in a 20K toon(G12) is approx. 6x the amount sinked in a 10K one (G8). That's one of the disrapencies.

  • Tanzos
    197 posts Member
    edited February 27
    BubbaFett wrote: »

    Then you should have no issue, if you have all the good toons then you have plenty enough to be competitive in a GA.... There are only so many spots to set defence and fight....

    Correct, except that the "resources" I have used on "fluff" have not affected my gearing up of the "good" characters. I'm behind on high level gear, G11 and G12 stuff.

    I have all the good characters, however many of them aren't as strong as others because I am not at the same point in high level gear acquisition as some of my opponents. However my "fluff" boosts me up to a level comparable to theirs ONLY based on Level, Ability Level, and Stars of under performing characters that I have acquired with the EXCESS resources I have, just because GP is our measuring stick.

    I have never wasted a single stun gun on someone like CUP. You must understand that.
  • Oh and just to be clear:

    GP does NOT measure "Resource Management".

    GP measures "Resources Used".

    That's literally all it is. No more, no less.
    Our problem is resources used on characters that won't matter are being calculation into the equation, like Ship GP in 3v3 matches.
  • No_Try wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    No_Try wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    3.8m...yes I have been playing for awhile...the roster..was misspelled...good catch. And yes I have been inflating it by chasing meta toons recently..and I was playing long before TW....TB...and GA. But untill about ahead ago joined a guild to complete raids. So not alot of g12 toons with zatas. Yes I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. Thanks for asking.

    Ok, let's put this in perspective... I have less than half of your overall GP, but I have 2/3 as many Zetas as you and also 2/3 as many g12.....

    The point I am trying to make is that you can't expect to always be chasing mets, hitting those green crosses every time they appear in your lineup regardless of who it is and not focusing and then do well in GA..... The game just doesnt work that way....

    Arena is a great example.... Should they shuffle the shards based on everyone's roster so I have a "fair" or "equal" shot at first place?.... Of course not, because that is not how that game mode works...

    Arena is absolutely fair in the way that you are grouped with players that started at the same time as you. CG obviously desires fairness, otherwise there wouldn't be any sort of matchmaking paradigm. There is. And we are debating the accuracy of it.

    Fair point, but I would suggest that using GP is fair.... GP is a measure of the resources you have invested into your roster..... .

    Is it though? We discussed this in length. I claim it's absolutely neither a fair measurement of the resources used or the efficacy of the outcome. If it was you would be able to explain how a 10K GP toon is almost complete junk and doesn't compare in anyway to a 20K one. The cost of the resources sinked in a 20K toon(G12) is approx. 6x the amount sinked in a 10K one (G8). That's one of the disrapencies.

    Fair again, but that being said, it a comes down to resource management again, and that's where the player's region comes into play.....

    I think of it like a street race..... Let's say you and I each have $100k to invest in a racecar, except we only get about $16k every two weeks... I save for 12 weeks and go out and buy a Corvette Z06,. You, on the other hand, go out and buy 6 Chevy Cruzes, one every two weeks.... Then we race and I smoke your entire fleet in the race because my car is way more powerful than any of your 6 cars.....

    The crux of the argument comes from two sides.....

    Side one (wants "better matchmaking" and feels GA is unfair because they don't have a chance racing their six Cruzes against a Corvette) feels they shouldnt have to face against Corvettes because they are too fast for them to beat...

    Side two (likes things as they are) wants to be rewarded for their patience and careful use of the money they were provided. They don't feel they should have to face only other Corvettes because the Cruze gang made poor choices....

    If there were different prize levels based on roster, then I would be fine with side one's perspective, but that isn't the case....
  • No_Try
    3836 posts Member
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    No_Try wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    No_Try wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    TRanger wrote: »
    3.8m...yes I have been playing for awhile...the roster..was misspelled...good catch. And yes I have been inflating it by chasing meta toons recently..and I was playing long before TW....TB...and GA. But untill about ahead ago joined a guild to complete raids. So not alot of g12 toons with zatas. Yes I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. Thanks for asking.

    Ok, let's put this in perspective... I have less than half of your overall GP, but I have 2/3 as many Zetas as you and also 2/3 as many g12.....

    The point I am trying to make is that you can't expect to always be chasing mets, hitting those green crosses every time they appear in your lineup regardless of who it is and not focusing and then do well in GA..... The game just doesnt work that way....

    Arena is a great example.... Should they shuffle the shards based on everyone's roster so I have a "fair" or "equal" shot at first place?.... Of course not, because that is not how that game mode works...

    Arena is absolutely fair in the way that you are grouped with players that started at the same time as you. CG obviously desires fairness, otherwise there wouldn't be any sort of matchmaking paradigm. There is. And we are debating the accuracy of it.

    Fair point, but I would suggest that using GP is fair.... GP is a measure of the resources you have invested into your roster..... .

    Is it though? We discussed this in length. I claim it's absolutely neither a fair measurement of the resources used or the efficacy of the outcome. If it was you would be able to explain how a 10K GP toon is almost complete junk and doesn't compare in anyway to a 20K one. The cost of the resources sinked in a 20K toon(G12) is approx. 6x the amount sinked in a 10K one (G8). That's one of the disrapencies.

    Fair again, but that being said, it a comes down to resource management again, and that's where the player's region comes into play.....

    I think of it like a street race..... Let's say you and I each have $100k to invest in a racecar, except we only get about $16k every two weeks... I save for 12 weeks and go out and buy a Corvette Z06,. You, on the other hand, go out and buy 6 Chevy Cruzes, one every two weeks.... Then we race and I smoke your entire fleet in the race because my car is way more powerful than any of your 6 cars.....

    The crux of the argument comes from two sides.....

    Side one (wants "better matchmaking" and feels GA is unfair because they don't have a chance racing their six Cruzes against a Corvette) feels they shouldnt have to face against Corvettes because they are too fast for them to beat...

    Side two (likes things as they are) wants to be rewarded for their patience and careful use of the money they were provided. They don't feel they should have to face only other Corvettes because the Cruze gang made poor choices....

    If there were different prize levels based on roster, then I would be fine with side one's perspective, but that isn't the case....

    My only desire is for GP to be made a good representative of either the cost of the resources used or the efficacy of the outcomes (or a blend of these two). Currently it's nowhere close.

    And if we just go by the result, I won all my matches so far besides 1 (with an opponent that has 2x good mods as mine) despite being at disadvantage several times with approx 1.3M worth of fluff. I should say I enjoy the challenge.

    So it's not my personal grump that keeps me bringing me back to these topics, but my sense of fairness and my claim on being able to locate the problem/solution.
  • Why is this post not locked yet??? If you have the same gp as another person its the exact same line up... if you chose to gear up youe characters instead of farm every other character that’s your choice . I chose to gear up my toons and mod them to suit. I win every time, surely players like me should be rewarded for spending the time to win? Like any game you don’t play to lose? You wouldn’t go into a casino and play with someo one with £1 million on the table if you can only play with £100...

    Trash arguments. Most of you are trying to penalise players like me who have worked on my roster properly. I don’t want to face players double my gp. I do that in the arena.... if i did i’d want tripple the reward for double the fall, back to the casino, the table wouldn’t let me face the person with £1million because i only have £100.

    It’s straight forward answer if you don’t like the GA, don’t play it, if you don’t like losing then (SHOCK) don’t play it. It’s a fun installment to the game and most of you are crying about it. ITS FAIR END OF.

    I’ll keep posting this until you stop arguing with Bubba.
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