Conquest Changes [MERGE]
August 26, 2021 6:34PM
edited August 2021
Some of the Conquest changes announced today really miss the mark for me.
More energy per battle? Am I to assume that means I can't complete Conquest without refreshing energy now? How many refreshes? How many crystals is it going to cost for max prize now?
Their stated issue was that folks were rushing to complete the mode and then disengaging. That's happening because the mode isn't fun. If you want folks to continue to engage, after max crate is achieved, remove the energy cost and make swapping disks free. Add some feats that reward portraits or titles rather than currency. Then we might goof around in the mode in our spare time. Instead, those that were impatient will likely just pay the extra crystal cost to get the grind over early, and then they'll disengage like they did before.
Data Disks swaps cost energy now. I mean... that's probably better. But they also just made energy more valuable. They claim they need to make swaps cost something to make it "meaningful". That's just not true. The risk of losing a battle because of a poor disk loadout makes the swaps "meaningful". Adding a swap tax just makes the game mode stale.
The cost of the disk swaps, and thus the reluctance of many to make changes, coupled with obnoxious feats is what makes this game mode so dull and lacking in engagement. I doubt either of these changes will change that.
Rant over.
Really excited for simmable HSR and ABs.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/248444/conquest-7-begins-august-30th#latest
[EDIT - kyno] - to add link
More energy per battle? Am I to assume that means I can't complete Conquest without refreshing energy now? How many refreshes? How many crystals is it going to cost for max prize now?
Their stated issue was that folks were rushing to complete the mode and then disengaging. That's happening because the mode isn't fun. If you want folks to continue to engage, after max crate is achieved, remove the energy cost and make swapping disks free. Add some feats that reward portraits or titles rather than currency. Then we might goof around in the mode in our spare time. Instead, those that were impatient will likely just pay the extra crystal cost to get the grind over early, and then they'll disengage like they did before.
Data Disks swaps cost energy now. I mean... that's probably better. But they also just made energy more valuable. They claim they need to make swaps cost something to make it "meaningful". That's just not true. The risk of losing a battle because of a poor disk loadout makes the swaps "meaningful". Adding a swap tax just makes the game mode stale.
The cost of the disk swaps, and thus the reluctance of many to make changes, coupled with obnoxious feats is what makes this game mode so dull and lacking in engagement. I doubt either of these changes will change that.
Rant over.
Really excited for simmable HSR and ABs.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/248444/conquest-7-begins-august-30th#latest
[EDIT - kyno] - to add link
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"Instead of increasing the difficulty of the encounters, nodes will now cost more energy to battle and there is a bigger focus on completing a variety of new Feats."
So now those people that don't want to specifically spend to refresh energy will now have more dead time between battles.
What happened to the option of simply limiting how many refreshes you can do (to like 1 a day) ... I guess that makes less money.
In the previous conquests, it was possible to get the max crate without having to by any energy refreshes. Will it still be doable now? It would be annoying if the people spending on energy refreshes and rushing through the conquest pushed you guys to make a change penalizing those of us who played it though the whole two weeks at a slower pace.
The big problem I have with that is that I focus on efficiency and not wasting crystals. I completed conquest 6 hard mode without a single energy refresh. If the nodes are going to cost more then it is going to force me to waste crystals just to complete the conquest now? That is not cool and does not reward skilled players who tackle the challenges of conquest in an strategic manner.
Last version of conquest you had a maximum of 1824 energy and if you aced everything first time you needed 1140 energy (first sector had a feat of winning 20 battles). This gave a wiggle room of 45 cleanup battles, for maxed out conquest.
"...we found that most players could rush through the event in the first few days and then went back to clean up a few feats afterwards. That was the extent of their engagement for the entire 2 weeks and there was little reason to continue playing this mode."
how on earth do you not formulate something very similar about the Challenges? Event is 3 days long, you rush the highest chapter you can in 4 minutes, then you return to finish the feats, then gg. Conquest had a near-perfect time schedulment compared to the challenges....
Tinfoil hat warning, but I can only see the increased energy cost as a crystal grab. Seems CG saw too many players not spending crystals/not spending enough crystals on refresh and decided to make refresh mandatory. I mean, if it was truly a matter of stretching out conquest, wouldn't lower stamina regen/higher stamina cost be more natural to look at? Then you would need to use more teams and you would need to buy more consumables to rush conquest....
Are you guys even capable of doing a nice gesture anymore without having to make something worse....
Please don’t let they screw up this game mode any further.
This will likely mean more feats, so while you say less battles and relying more on fewer teams, what is more likely to happen is you will need more teams just to do feats and the smaller your roster, the more refreshes (energy and stamina) will be needed to get the new feats.
That is my take on the more time commitment needed.
CG: we got you, you can now use energy because you have some to spare
Also CG: actually you dont have energy to spare. Oh and we will make sure you arent able to finish feats AND conquest without refreshing energy.
Why everything in this game have to be like 1 step forward, 5 behind?
-CG
Just wait, if you don't have a bunch of GLs and crystals for refreshes you are going to have a hard time. Next step will be putting r9 into the mix. They don't want non whales clearing it.
Making the game better and more fun should not be about making us spend longer in the game. Increase the quality of the time we already spend.
My god I hope not more feats. With even less energy to work with then before that would make feats even more painful.
Having to possibly pay crystals to earn rewards seems really petty and I hope this really doesn’t have to happen,
People who choose to refresh to beat conquest fast are probably doing so because they have work or obligations so they knock conquest out asap. They don’t go back and play because they are prob busy with RL.
Anyone else is probably dropping crystals to play because we don’t have any new content other then the never ending farm.
All others play as energy refreshes.
Seems more and more that the devs have a war against hoarders and are always trying to zap any hoards they see people gather. This is more evident with conquest currency cap, relics being required at higher and higher levels.
Can’t wait to see R9 requirements 🤦🏻♂️
The anti F2P mood is palpable here.
F that.
EA's shareholders. Pretty sure that is always the answer.
I would be thrilled to have more feats IF they were more fun, instead of “use only light side characters for 3 million battles” “use an entire days energy grinding slkr on phase 1 battles to finish the dark side feat” “oh hey better run that JML squad 8 more times!”
Right until the last straw breaks the bantha's back...
Exactly this.
CG: data from previous conquests shows that too many people can finish it without spending crystals. So we are going to try and change that.
But it'll be presented to you, dear players, in a totally spurious way.
How’s about changes people have been asking for instead of making this new game mode more of a grind? Tone deaf as always up top. Thanks for the changes TopCash and Marky Mark!