I'm quite sure their intent of The Pit wasn't for a 1 man solo either, but apparently they don't care about that anymore.
If you can Solo something on auto they'll nerf it.
Also let's not make a false equivalency here. A full clone team that all have to be Gear 11 + a Zeta and baller mods to Solo something is hardly comparable to 3 toons one that's can be in blue gear putting the game on auto.
I agree the Lugo needs a change, but to act like it's ok for the devs to "fix" something that isn't technically broken, and was discovered for only 2 days before a dev says Nerf incoming on a Sunday is wrong.
There's a lot of actual bugs and not WAI behavior in the game, but how this gets to top of the devs priority list shows their true colors and I think the forums have a solid cause for frustration
You can finish and entire phase with 3 toons portly geared on auto. I would concur that this is a critically broken feature.
And yes in software development if a critical feature is materially broken it moves to the top of the list.
I'm quite sure their intent of The Pit wasn't for a 1 man solo either, but apparently they don't care about that anymore.
If you can Solo something on auto they'll nerf it.
Also let's not make a false equivalency here. A full clone team that all have to be Gear 11 + a Zeta and baller mods to Solo something is hardly comparable to 3 toons one that's can be in blue gear putting the game on auto.
I agree the Lugo needs a change, but to act like it's ok for the devs to "fix" something that isn't technically broken, and was discovered for only 2 days before a dev says Nerf incoming on a Sunday is wrong.
There's a lot of actual bugs and not WAI behavior in the game, but how this gets to top of the devs priority list shows their true colors and I think the forums have a solid cause for frustration
You can finish and entire phase with 3 toons portly geared on auto. I would concur that this is a critically broken feature.
And yes in software development if a critical feature is materially broken it moves to the top of the list.
@CG_Kozispoon so can I have the 10 million credits back that I just spent leveling those soon to be once again useless toons? And the 10 omegas as well.....
I mean hey I get that this was unintended, but still I just pumped a ton of very limited resources into nute scavenger and dathcha
I think that's only fair, since the toons are working as intended, yet will be getting nerfed.
@CG_Kozispoon so can I have the 10 million credits back that I just spent leveling those soon to be once again useless toons? And the 10 omegas as well.....
I mean hey I get that this was unintended, but still I just pumped a ton of very limited resources into nute scavenger and dathcha
I am just sick of all you whiny people... that team was a **** joke. It would literally break the game... and comparing Clones to it? Are you freaking serious?? Clearly none of you have farmed and geared Clones
Yes! It took me 3 months to get a clone team scoring 7 million in phase 4. I'm so glad they're addressing this.
It was an oversight plain and simple. Acting like you're being robbed or some huge injustice has occurred, you're just being dramatic.
If it was a gear XI Nute and with really good mods (along with the other supporting characters) it would be a little different, but formerly weak toons (who just happen to have specific mechanics) be the most powerful raid team is dumb and makes the game not very fun.
They are a multi million dollar company and they can't afford beta testers or somebody to create a program to run simulations that would find this before any actual player does? No they don't get to have the luxury of oversights. These toons were in the game and had their abilities for months and within a day of Lugo finding this squad comp they nerf it. This is completely on EA now and them being this quick to nerf them is unwarranted and unprecedented. They have never been this quick to "fix" a toon or squad comp and they better stick to this timely matter of "fixing" toons in the future otherwise they will catch fire. What they should have done is made a public announcement that this is in fact a problem and will be addressed, but in the next update to the game. Primarily because now they have to fix every single "problem" from this point onward either as quick or faster. They've put a timelimit on themselves that they can't possibly live up to.
Lol... you guys crack me up. You really think this was fair? You really have lost your minds...
Not about being fair. It was working as intended based on the toons collective mechanics AND it was completely RNG dependant, even more so than Zylo. So if someone spent thousands and feels jilted because three toons can do what their 8k squad can do, too bad. It's called being a creative gamer.
It was an oversight plain and simple. Acting like you're being robbed or some huge injustice has occurred, you're just being dramatic.
If it was a gear XI Nute and with really good mods (along with the other supporting characters) it would be a little different, but formerly weak toons (who just happen to have specific mechanics) be the most powerful raid team is dumb and makes the game not very fun.
They are a multi million dollar company and they can't afford beta testers or somebody to create a program to run simulations that would find this before any actual player does? No they don't get to have the luxury of oversights. These toons were in the game and had their abilities for months and within a day of Lugo finding this squad comp they nerf it. This is completely on EA now and them being this quick to nerf them is unwarranted and unprecedented. They have never been this quick to "fix" a toon or squad comp and they better stick to this timely matter of "fixing" toons in the future otherwise they will catch fire. What they should have done is made a public announcement that this is in fact a problem and will be addressed, but in the next update to the game. Primarily because now they have to fix every single "problem" from this point onward either as quick or faster. They've put a timelimit on themselves that they can't possibly live up to.
Thanks guys for getting on this right away. You are protecting those of us whom have spent thousands on building specific HAAT teams to earn top tier rewards. Thanks for doing the right thing this time!
I agree. We all thought it was cool for a second, but in reality it turns an enormous achievement into the equivalent of the daily challenges.
What do we even play in the game at this point? Arena, GW, and the raids, this essentially would eliminate one of those.
Lol... you guys crack me up. You really think this was fair? You really have lost your minds...
Not about being fair. It was working as intended based on the toons collective mechanics AND it was completely RNG dependant, even more so than Zylo. So if someone spent thousands and feels jilted because three toons can do what their 8k squad can do, too bad. It's called being a creative gamer.
So a maxed leader ability, and Gear 8&9 Jawas, that's not the squad you said you had. It's impressive that they could do that with that squad but again, it's not breaking the game because all of those abilities were already in the game and the devs suddenly decided it's a problem.
I'm quite sure their intent of The Pit wasn't for a 1 man solo either, but apparently they don't care about that anymore.
If you can Solo something on auto they'll nerf it.
Also let's not make a false equivalency here. A full clone team that all have to be Gear 11 + a Zeta and baller mods to Solo something is hardly comparable to 3 toons one that's can be in blue gear putting the game on auto.
I agree the Lugo needs a change, but to act like it's ok for the devs to "fix" something that isn't technically broken, and was discovered for only 2 days before a dev says Nerf incoming on a Sunday is wrong.
There's a lot of actual bugs and not WAI behavior in the game, but how this gets to top of the devs priority list shows their true colors and I think the forums have a solid cause for frustration
You can finish and entire phase with 3 toons portly geared on auto. I would concur that this is a critically broken feature.
And yes in software development if a critical feature is materially broken it moves to the top of the list.
Zylo?! Hello?!
Zylo requires a Zeta, max gear and baller mods. And some luck with retreats. Come on, that's disingenuous to compare it to putting it on auto with three poorly geared toons.
Can you explain to me a way this makes sense for the devs to nerf Lugo that doesn't involve making EA less money? You argument that if a toon reaches a certain investment it's WAI behavior isn't monitored the devs?
So if g11 nute+jawas did this you are ok or not ok with the nerf?
So it hasn't even been 1 month yet.
Prior to the change this was not possible.
That we know of, it's entirely possible that a similar squad comp could have pulled this off with the prior Nute lead and RNG. People do it with Teebo in the Rancor Raid all the time.
Knowing how this works. There was no setup before the change with nute lead that would have allowed this tm locking to happen. Prior to r2 release, which is when nute lead was changed, there was no way to give stealth to another AoE or multi attacker.
Leia can stealth herself and with good rng could have gained 100% tm while stealthed but she would then have to use a turn to get back into stealth.
Datcha and Jawa could be stealthed, Dathca on his own and Jawa by cn and they both have AoE attacks but those AoE are on CD.
There was just no way to use a nute lead prior and tm lock the tank. If there was it would have been used in rancor p2 and p3 long ago, and in the Haat p2 and p4. Change to nute lead is what allowed this to happen.
Don't get me wrong I think they should leave it alone. But doesn't look like that is going to happen.
I can sense that there's going to be hell to be raised in the near future. First this business with the nute nerf, who was already useless anyway, now more useless, and this new broken fulcrum ahsoka that's gonna be released. I feel like tensions in this forum are at an all time high. Not to mention the fact that arena is dull and raids are stale and repetitive. I don't know what's going on, but we need to prioritize here. I agree that nute+ jawas was kinda broken, but all this nonsense with all the border line op toons being released has to stop. First GK and chaze, now ahsoka. This has to stop, and soon, or I fear something really bad is going to happen soon. This new game mode better lay golden eggs or something cuz I've never seen so many angry people on this forum before.
I'm quite sure their intent of The Pit wasn't for a 1 man solo either, but apparently they don't care about that anymore.
If you can Solo something on auto they'll nerf it.
Also let's not make a false equivalency here. A full clone team that all have to be Gear 11 + a Zeta and baller mods to Solo something is hardly comparable to 3 toons one that's can be in blue gear putting the game on auto.
I agree the Lugo needs a change, but to act like it's ok for the devs to "fix" something that isn't technically broken, and was discovered for only 2 days before a dev says Nerf incoming on a Sunday is wrong.
There's a lot of actual bugs and not WAI behavior in the game, but how this gets to top of the devs priority list shows their true colors and I think the forums have a solid cause for frustration
You can finish and entire phase with 3 toons portly geared on auto. I would concur that this is a critically broken feature.
And yes in software development if a critical feature is materially broken it moves to the top of the list.
Zylo?! Hello?!
Zylo requires a Zeta, max gear and baller mods. And some luck with retreats. Come on, that's disingenuous to compare it to putting it on auto with three poorly geared toons.
That.
In many guilds you can't do 2 attacks with Zylo. P1 ends up in a few minutes
I'm quite sure their intent of The Pit wasn't for a 1 man solo either, but apparently they don't care about that anymore.
If you can Solo something on auto they'll nerf it.
Also let's not make a false equivalency here. A full clone team that all have to be Gear 11 + a Zeta and baller mods to Solo something is hardly comparable to 3 toons one that's can be in blue gear putting the game on auto.
I agree the Lugo needs a change, but to act like it's ok for the devs to "fix" something that isn't technically broken, and was discovered for only 2 days before a dev says Nerf incoming on a Sunday is wrong.
There's a lot of actual bugs and not WAI behavior in the game, but how this gets to top of the devs priority list shows their true colors and I think the forums have a solid cause for frustration
You can finish and entire phase with 3 toons portly geared on auto. I would concur that this is a critically broken feature.
And yes in software development if a critical feature is materially broken it moves to the top of the list.
Zylo?! Hello?!
Zylo requires a Zeta, max gear and baller mods. And some luck with retreats. Come on, that's disingenuous to compare it to putting it on auto with three poorly geared toons.
Can you explain to me a way this makes sense for the devs to nerf Lugo that doesn't involve making EA less money? You argument that if a toon reaches a certain investment it's WAI behavior isn't monitored the devs?
So if g11 nute+jawas did this you are ok or not ok with the nerf?
If it still requires strategy and actively playing the game like a clone team then yes I would be fine with it. But since you can set it to Auto(basic) and let it run once the topple happens that's obviously not WAI.
It's a mobile game they have to have 2 things to keep the game running: engaged users and some portions of people purchasing. In its current form it makes one of the games biggest achievements the equivalent of a daily challenge.
Thanks guys for getting on this right away. You are protecting those of us whom have spent thousands on building specific HAAT teams to earn top tier rewards. Thanks for doing the right thing this time!
I agree. We all thought it was cool for a second, but in reality it turns an enormous achievement into the equivalent of the daily challenges.
What do we even play in the game at this point? Arena, GW, and the raids, this essentially would eliminate one of those.
Not every guild is clearing haat and has 50 members holding multiple zetas. This is a zeta free way to help lower guilds in the same way zylo would.
I'm quite sure their intent of The Pit wasn't for a 1 man solo either, but apparently they don't care about that anymore.
If you can Solo something on auto they'll nerf it.
Also let's not make a false equivalency here. A full clone team that all have to be Gear 11 + a Zeta and baller mods to Solo something is hardly comparable to 3 toons one that's can be in blue gear putting the game on auto.
I agree the Lugo needs a change, but to act like it's ok for the devs to "fix" something that isn't technically broken, and was discovered for only 2 days before a dev says Nerf incoming on a Sunday is wrong.
There's a lot of actual bugs and not WAI behavior in the game, but how this gets to top of the devs priority list shows their true colors and I think the forums have a solid cause for frustration
You can finish and entire phase with 3 toons portly geared on auto. I would concur that this is a critically broken feature.
And yes in software development if a critical feature is materially broken it moves to the top of the list.
but CG really needs to be held accountable for this precedent they are going to set of changing toons that are WAI just because it hurts the bottom line
And that's the kicker, this is truly a changing the goal posts situation, and when does that happen next? This has been out for a day and it warrants a Sunday night dev post?! We've had major issues that have been ignored for ages, but Nute freaking Gunray needs someone to get out and address this? Sometimes you need to just leave things alone and start designing raid three, because raid two is nearly a year old. Everyone that was gonna whale their way to Kenobi already did, anybody else is doing the actual striving to work together as a guild to get him. Guess how? Zylo, Rebels, clones, Chirpantine and today we got Nute bloody Gunray. Zylo isn't even on the bugs bin as being looked into but someone woke Kozi up late night Sunday to nerf Nute 'Dodgy accent' Gunray.
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I am very happy with the quick response.
I'm broken???
I think that's only fair, since the toons are working as intended, yet will be getting nerfed.
There's a lot of folks in this spot right now
Yes! It took me 3 months to get a clone team scoring 7 million in phase 4. I'm so glad they're addressing this.
Meanwhile. This team took me 10 minutes to assemble this morning. http://imgur.com/a/vrdz3
They are a multi million dollar company and they can't afford beta testers or somebody to create a program to run simulations that would find this before any actual player does? No they don't get to have the luxury of oversights. These toons were in the game and had their abilities for months and within a day of Lugo finding this squad comp they nerf it. This is completely on EA now and them being this quick to nerf them is unwarranted and unprecedented. They have never been this quick to "fix" a toon or squad comp and they better stick to this timely matter of "fixing" toons in the future otherwise they will catch fire. What they should have done is made a public announcement that this is in fact a problem and will be addressed, but in the next update to the game. Primarily because now they have to fix every single "problem" from this point onward either as quick or faster. They've put a timelimit on themselves that they can't possibly live up to.
Finally... I am not alone against the insanity
It's the 'never nerf' guy. Lmao!
The devs have to be able to feed their families.
Not about being fair. It was working as intended based on the toons collective mechanics AND it was completely RNG dependant, even more so than Zylo. So if someone spent thousands and feels jilted because three toons can do what their 8k squad can do, too bad. It's called being a creative gamer.
Billion with a B
I agree. We all thought it was cool for a second, but in reality it turns an enormous achievement into the equivalent of the daily challenges.
What do we even play in the game at this point? Arena, GW, and the raids, this essentially would eliminate one of those.
+1
So a maxed leader ability, and Gear 8&9 Jawas, that's not the squad you said you had. It's impressive that they could do that with that squad but again, it's not breaking the game because all of those abilities were already in the game and the devs suddenly decided it's a problem.
Can you explain to me a way this makes sense for the devs to nerf Lugo that doesn't involve making EA less money? You argument that if a toon reaches a certain investment it's WAI behavior isn't monitored the devs?
So if g11 nute+jawas did this you are ok or not ok with the nerf?
I did spend my credit card on jawa man I can't get a break
Knowing how this works. There was no setup before the change with nute lead that would have allowed this tm locking to happen. Prior to r2 release, which is when nute lead was changed, there was no way to give stealth to another AoE or multi attacker.
Leia can stealth herself and with good rng could have gained 100% tm while stealthed but she would then have to use a turn to get back into stealth.
Datcha and Jawa could be stealthed, Dathca on his own and Jawa by cn and they both have AoE attacks but those AoE are on CD.
There was just no way to use a nute lead prior and tm lock the tank. If there was it would have been used in rancor p2 and p3 long ago, and in the Haat p2 and p4. Change to nute lead is what allowed this to happen.
Don't get me wrong I think they should leave it alone. But doesn't look like that is going to happen.
That.
In many guilds you can't do 2 attacks with Zylo. P1 ends up in a few minutes
If it still requires strategy and actively playing the game like a clone team then yes I would be fine with it. But since you can set it to Auto(basic) and let it run once the topple happens that's obviously not WAI.
It's a mobile game they have to have 2 things to keep the game running: engaged users and some portions of people purchasing. In its current form it makes one of the games biggest achievements the equivalent of a daily challenge.
Yea 100% pick or ban you break the meta
And that's the kicker, this is truly a changing the goal posts situation, and when does that happen next? This has been out for a day and it warrants a Sunday night dev post?! We've had major issues that have been ignored for ages, but Nute freaking Gunray needs someone to get out and address this? Sometimes you need to just leave things alone and start designing raid three, because raid two is nearly a year old. Everyone that was gonna whale their way to Kenobi already did, anybody else is doing the actual striving to work together as a guild to get him. Guess how? Zylo, Rebels, clones, Chirpantine and today we got Nute bloody Gunray. Zylo isn't even on the bugs bin as being looked into but someone woke Kozi up late night Sunday to nerf Nute 'Dodgy accent' Gunray.