FO w/Echelon Destroying r9 Executor WAI?

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  • NicWester
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    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?
    Ceterum censeo Patientia esse meliat.
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    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too
    hello
  • ImaSmakya
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    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.
    https://swgoh.gg/p/319514721/
    DISCLAIMER: Post is subject to change.
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    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.

    do you tell every poster here that
    hello
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    anyway this is what i am talking about
    Then you say you don’t want to do more battles if there’s a secondary team that can beat executor and make some parity in fleet meta. Again, the minority.

    i want to meet all these people here that want to do more battles every day
    hello
  • Xcien
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    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.

    This is entirely accurate. CG has never cared about what the players want (which is why we still don’t have a simable STH or fleet loadouts). They only care about if something can make them money, even if the players hate it.
    I've found this whole experience to be very enlightening.

    Thank you for evaluating. Your feedback is appreciated.
  • ImaSmakya
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    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.

    do you tell every poster here that

    Not sure I’ve said it before (definitely possible), but it fits the current situation 🤷‍♂️
    https://swgoh.gg/p/319514721/
    DISCLAIMER: Post is subject to change.
  • NicWester
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    Xcien wrote: »
    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.
    They only care about if something can make them money, even if the players hate it.

    Then explain why tournaments and flash events are gone.
    Ceterum censeo Patientia esse meliat.
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    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Mirrors are fine and I dont want to have to do more battles for the same payout

    You’d be in the minority that enjoys RNG ridden mirror matches.

    Read again

    Read what?

    “Mirrors are fine and I don’t want to have to do more battles for the same payout”

    You’re saying that the current RNG ridden executor mirror matches are fine, putting you in the minority. Then you say you don’t want to do more battles if there’s a secondary team that can beat executor and make some parity in fleet meta. Again, the minority. People would rather push another battle or two rather then deal with chance for their payouts.

    Exec mirrors are easy my r8 exec vs a shard full of r9s and I rarely lose more than 2-3 battles a week

    What happens when Mark is resisted by the other Razor Crest?

    When is mark resisted by Razor Crest? This isn’t a thing.
  • SemiGod
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    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.

    do you tell every poster here that

    I mean he’s not wrong, the Lord Vader sentiment has been going on for ages and CG has just ignored releasing any solutions.
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    SemiGod wrote: »
    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.

    do you tell every poster here that

    I mean he’s not wrong, the Lord Vader sentiment has been going on for ages and CG has just ignored releasing any solutions.

    i know hes not wrong im saying he needs to say it for every post here
    hello
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    AlexanderG wrote: »
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Mirrors are fine and I dont want to have to do more battles for the same payout

    You’d be in the minority that enjoys RNG ridden mirror matches.

    Read again

    Read what?

    “Mirrors are fine and I don’t want to have to do more battles for the same payout”

    You’re saying that the current RNG ridden executor mirror matches are fine, putting you in the minority. Then you say you don’t want to do more battles if there’s a secondary team that can beat executor and make some parity in fleet meta. Again, the minority. People would rather push another battle or two rather then deal with chance for their payouts.

    Exec mirrors are easy my r8 exec vs a shard full of r9s and I rarely lose more than 2-3 battles a week

    What happens when Mark is resisted by the other Razor Crest?

    Then it gets resisted lol still have no issues winning, have about 5 strategies that will divert too throughout a match depending on if dodges/resists happen and who has TM etc. Mirrors are easy if you are paying attention and counting target locks and breaches

    OK, I got the Executor second time around (so I've had it a good while) and find that the other RC nearly always lands mark and it's a problem.

    Perhaps you could share your 5 strategies?

    Pay attention to turn order and ship speeds. You want your XB 1 speed lower than their XB/RC whichever is slowest, then your RC 1 speed lower than your XB. I don't use AoE first I heal my RC so that it removes mark and their RC wastes a turn not landing breach on my RC since it has foresight, ofc you only hit their HT until this point so he doesn't gain TM and taunt so once it's your XBs turn you can mark their RC, then use your RC special on their marked RC. At this point they will reinforce as long as they call in S1 or IG then use your exec AoE here and wipe out their RC. At this point it's a breeze. Strat changes on who to bring on reinforcement depending on if they dodge/resist but 9/10 you will call in S1 first and get perma debuffs on first and finish up the match

    I dont think mirrors are hard but in my shard the XB is faster and clears the foresight on my RC then their RC goes

    Like I said though you need your XB then 1 speed slower than their RC and then your RC 1 speed slower than your XB. Even if he clears your foresight RC special isn't going to land mark on your RC

    why not

    Because RC can only land marked on a ship once it's breached and RC uses basic not with special
  • Ravens1113
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    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    It’s been several months. It’s not that early. And why is it 8 battles a day?
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    It’s been several months. It’s not that early. And why is it 8 battles a day?
    On a bad day in my shard it can be 8 battles a day to take 1st even if I win them all (which I usually do, as the battle is nowhere near as RNG-ridden as you make out). 7* Execs go way into the 100s in my shard.

    If Echelon’s arrival basically hands an Exec counter to any SLKR owner, I dread to think how many more battles I’d need to do each day.
  • Ravens1113
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    It’s been several months. It’s not that early. And why is it 8 battles a day?
    On a bad day in my shard it can be 8 battles a day to take 1st even if I win them all (which I usually do, as the battle is nowhere near as RNG-ridden as you make out). 7* Execs go way into the 100s in my shard.

    If Echelon’s arrival basically hands an Exec counter to any SLKR owner, I dread to think how many more battles I’d need to do each day.

    Agree to disagree on how often the mirror match is RNG based.

    As for the Echelon, like I said before I invested in Executor and don’t mind there being a one shot counter at all available now that’s far more consistent than the mirror match.
  • TargetEadu
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    NicWester wrote: »
    Xcien wrote: »
    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    Six months of wire-to-wire domination is to early?

    compared to last meta absolutely

    still trying to make this point though i do not want extra battles and i dont know why anyone else would too

    Your mistake is thinking CG cares what you want.
    They only care about if something can make them money, even if the players hate it.

    Then explain why tournaments and flash events are gone.

    Tournaments featuring rampant hacking instead of spending to get new characters, and flash events going by too fast for some people to participate and spend anything on.

    Perhaps not the only explanation, but an explanation.
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    It’s been several months. It’s not that early. And why is it 8 battles a day?
    On a bad day in my shard it can be 8 battles a day to take 1st even if I win them all (which I usually do, as the battle is nowhere near as RNG-ridden as you make out). 7* Execs go way into the 100s in my shard.

    If Echelon’s arrival basically hands an Exec counter to any SLKR owner, I dread to think how many more battles I’d need to do each day.

    Agree to disagree on how often the mirror match is RNG based.

    As for the Echelon, like I said before I invested in Executor and don’t mind there being a one shot counter at all available now that’s far more consistent than the mirror match.
    Make your XB slower than your RC and you should find there's less RNG involved

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    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    It’s been several months. It’s not that early. And why is it 8 battles a day?
    On a bad day in my shard it can be 8 battles a day to take 1st even if I win them all (which I usually do, as the battle is nowhere near as RNG-ridden as you make out). 7* Execs go way into the 100s in my shard.

    If Echelon’s arrival basically hands an Exec counter to any SLKR owner, I dread to think how many more battles I’d need to do each day.

    Agree to disagree on how often the mirror match is RNG based.

    As for the Echelon, like I said before I invested in Executor and don’t mind there being a one shot counter at all available now that’s far more consistent than the mirror match.
    Make your XB slower than your RC and you should find there's less RNG involved

    That is the exact opposite of what others have been suggesting. Just sayin'
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    SerWulfgar wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    It’s been several months. It’s not that early. And why is it 8 battles a day?
    On a bad day in my shard it can be 8 battles a day to take 1st even if I win them all (which I usually do, as the battle is nowhere near as RNG-ridden as you make out). 7* Execs go way into the 100s in my shard.

    If Echelon’s arrival basically hands an Exec counter to any SLKR owner, I dread to think how many more battles I’d need to do each day.

    Agree to disagree on how often the mirror match is RNG based.

    As for the Echelon, like I said before I invested in Executor and don’t mind there being a one shot counter at all available now that’s far more consistent than the mirror match.
    Make your XB slower than your RC and you should find there's less RNG involved

    That is the exact opposite of what others have been suggesting. Just sayin'
    But it's the setup I use and I rarely lose mirror matches.

    If you only attack the enemy HT until it's your XB's turn, this means you can use XB's special calling your RC to assist to guarantee you land breach and then mark on enemy RC.

    Just sayin'.


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    SerWulfgar wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    NicWester wrote: »
    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    This would only invalidate your investment if all the crystals and zetas and whatnot that you got from every GAC, Fleet Arena payout, and potentially Territory Wars was retroactively erased.

    Welcome to the world of video games. Metas shift.

    yes i know thanks

    its too early for this to shift

    regardless my point stands which is that i dont want to do eight battles daily

    It’s been several months. It’s not that early. And why is it 8 battles a day?
    On a bad day in my shard it can be 8 battles a day to take 1st even if I win them all (which I usually do, as the battle is nowhere near as RNG-ridden as you make out). 7* Execs go way into the 100s in my shard.

    If Echelon’s arrival basically hands an Exec counter to any SLKR owner, I dread to think how many more battles I’d need to do each day.

    Agree to disagree on how often the mirror match is RNG based.

    As for the Echelon, like I said before I invested in Executor and don’t mind there being a one shot counter at all available now that’s far more consistent than the mirror match.
    Make your XB slower than your RC and you should find there's less RNG involved

    That is the exact opposite of what others have been suggesting. Just sayin'
    But it's the setup I use and I rarely lose mirror matches.

    If you only attack the enemy HT until it's your XB's turn, this means you can use XB's special calling your RC to assist to guarantee you land breach and then mark on enemy RC.

    Just sayin'.


    I know the theory, thanks. I dont have too much trouble with the mirrors, but I still hate them with passion.
  • mr37hat
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    @Ultra this is starting to go off topic, any word from the higher ups?
    "ooba... ooba"
  • Ultra
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    mr37hat wrote: »
    Ultra this is starting to go off topic, any word from the higher ups?

    Thanks for reminding me, i'll ask and try to get them to respond today, hopefully
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    But it's the setup I use and I rarely lose mirror matches.

    If you only attack the enemy HT until it's your XB's turn, this means you can use XB's special calling your RC to assist to guarantee you land breach and then mark on enemy RC.

    Just sayin'.


    Interesting- thx for suggesting. I'm going to give a try in arena. more reliable counter would be nice- particularly R8 vs R9.

    Do you run executor on offense or defense in GAC? Flipping the speeds of XB & RC seems like it would give up getting a mark if your executor goes first and AOE's.
  • Ultra
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    No update today
  • mr37hat
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    @Ultra so they're basically like "spend the crystals now and we'll let you know when the chase is done". marvelous. thanks for checking though
    "ooba... ooba"
  • CCyrilS
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    mr37hat wrote: »
    @Ultra so they're basically like "spend the crystals now and we'll let you know when the chase is done". marvelous. thanks for checking though

    Remember during obamacare, Pelosi said we just have to pass the bill to see what's in it?

    It's like that.
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  • Looooki
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    God forbid something can finally beat executor to give some kind of fluidity to fleet arena and GAC. Enough nerfs. Test your game

    Exec costs too much to get beat like this

    especially because fleet still has crystals

    As it’s been said, it drops like a stone in arena so you better be using crystals to switch things back out.

    Also, lord Vader with his requirements and cost say hello after getting beaten by marquee teams.

    Fluidity and options in Fleet Arena and GAC are a good thing. There’s nothing wrong with having an option to finally counter executor so that we can have some different defenses set instead of the usual executor/negotiator nonesense over and over and over again.

    U don't have enough ships...
  • Looooki
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    mr37hat wrote: »
    Again I’m not judging whether it should or shouldn’t I just want that clarification from CG before they do another bait and switch with my investment. I think we deserve to know fully what we are paying for. It’s happened too much recently for me to not politely ask the question.

    By default, the QGJ nonsense is the way they do things. CG don't need to tell u things nor dicuss it with the players.

    The players just suck it up...
    It has been for 7 years...
    It will continue to be....
  • Looooki
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    My point is the investment for fleet arena should not be invalidated by this

    How does it invalid? Don't take things to the extreme man...

    In arena FO will fall like a brick
    In GAC... It is a good counter or a 2nd clean up. But to get it to work u need $$$ on it. (7 stars)

    So people whom spend on the new ship should not be able to beat the new shiny toys? They don't deserve it?
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