We had someone test it 10 times in a row poe was beat every time. We also saw kit and aayla beating poe which also shouldnt be possible.The only person who should be going first every time is a maxed leia with a maxed ackbar leader. She is the only one currently who should be able to reach turn 6, not QGJ.
That's assuming Team Instinct theory about speed is correct. A Dev said in Reddit that it wasn't. I know it matched reality, but maybe it was coincidental, and something was broken in the game and they fixed it, so it now works as intended.
If a turn 7 Old Ben is working as intended then this changes the entire meta completely.
I really want to know what the speed calculation is, if ours is incorrect.
Look at how many Characters end at 142, or right at 143. Or, are at 120/121 who could get speed leader bonus.
Or look at how many are at 112, instead of 111. I mean, it's apparent from how many of these values are so close to our "turn" guide, that I have a hard time believing we are wrong (let alone the fact that in actuality it seems to play our perfectly).
So, even if we are "wrong", I bet it is semantics. I bet we are close enough that you can trust the data, we just might get to it in a slightly different way.
I have posted about this few weeks ago in GW and while farming maths and no one listened to me. My Lumi went before Leia, Sid etc which wasn't possible unless its more speed than it actually is. Not sure if its double but def more than it is now. In meantime I did upgrade his skill so I need more testing.
We had someone test it 10 times in a row poe was beat every time. We also saw kit and aayla beating poe which also shouldnt be possible.The only person who should be going first every time is a maxed leia with a maxed ackbar leader. She is the only one currently who should be able to reach turn 6, not QGJ.
That's assuming Team Instinct theory about speed is correct. A Dev said in Reddit that it wasn't. I know it matched reality, but maybe it was coincidental, and something was broken in the game and they fixed it, so it now works as intended.
Yea we are sort of in the dark still on speed. However, even if is not 2x speed buff, we think there is some issue there that is causing speed teams to go extremely fast compared to already fast people they should be slower than.
We had someone test it 10 times in a row poe was beat every time. We also saw kit and aayla beating poe which also shouldnt be possible.The only person who should be going first every time is a maxed leia with a maxed ackbar leader. She is the only one currently who should be able to reach turn 6, not QGJ.
That's assuming Team Instinct theory about speed is correct. A Dev said in Reddit that it wasn't. I know it matched reality, but maybe it was coincidental, and something was broken in the game and they fixed it, so it now works as intended.
If a turn 7 Old Ben is working as intended then this changes the entire meta completely.
It depends, if it is a speed overhaul, then "turn 7" might no longer exist. We need to chill and discover what happens, and why, before looking at how it affects the meta.
BTW, it would help A LOT if CG could trust the players and release how the mechanics of the game works. Theey could have 5 million free debuggers and playtesters if they chosed to do so. But as they preffert to remain reclusive and keep secrets about how the game works, we don't know what else is broken.
I mean, Team Instinct seem to have found a bug a few hours after release. Maybe Potency or Tenacity or Armor penetration is being applied twice too... but we can't check, because we don't know how they are supposed to work. Food for thought @EA_Jesse
We had someone test it 10 times in a row poe was beat every time. We also saw kit and aayla beating poe which also shouldnt be possible.The only person who should be going first every time is a maxed leia with a maxed ackbar leader. She is the only one currently who should be able to reach turn 6, not QGJ.
Great work on the tests and the analysis! Thanks again!
If this is true. Please don't fix this. This is awesome.
Don't fix a broken aspect? What a **** statement.
Well Poe isn't getting fixed sooooooo
What do you mean fixed? As of right now, Poe is just another tool in someone's arsenal. A jedi team can be as fast or faster, same with a rebel team. (possibly even an empire team).
While to some degree it is still rock paper scissors, at least it changes up the team makeups.
I think seeing a Han go before everyone is going to scare a lot of people. Not sure I want to devote the resources to get a Rebel team going, but it will be a scary thing if Han goes first and gives your team all that turn meter.
I have posted about this few weeks ago in GW and while farming maths and no one listened to me. My Lumi went before Leia, Sid etc which wasn't possible unless its more speed than it actually is. Not sure if its double but def more than it is now. In meantime I did upgrade his skill so I need more testing.
GW is different in the fact that each mach is considering a continuation of the the previous fight. So the "who goes first situation" gets thrown out the door in gw.
We had someone test it 10 times in a row poe was beat every time. We also saw kit and aayla beating poe which also shouldnt be possible.The only person who should be going first every time is a maxed leia with a maxed ackbar leader. She is the only one currently who should be able to reach turn 6, not QGJ.
That's assuming Team Instinct theory about speed is correct. A Dev said in Reddit that it wasn't. I know it matched reality, but maybe it was coincidental, and something was broken in the game and they fixed it, so it now works as intended.
If a turn 7 Old Ben is working as intended then this changes the entire meta completely.
It depends, if it is a speed overhaul, then "turn 7" might no longer exist. We need to chill and discover what happens, and why, before looking at how it affects the meta.
BTW, it would help A LOT if CG could trust the players and release how the mechanics of the game works. Theey could have 5 million free debuggers and playtesters if they chosed to do so. But as they preffert to remain reclusive and keep secrets about how the game works, we don't know what else is broken.
I mean, Team Instinct seem to have found a bug a few hours after release. Maybe Potency or Tenacity or Armor penetration is being applied twice too... but we can't check, because we don't know how they are supposed to work. Food for thought @EA_Jesse
I would really like to know how some of the in-game stats are translated into percentages/actual numbers, however the devs continue to keep this information "hush hush". For what reason, I know not.
I have posted about this few weeks ago in GW and while farming maths and no one listened to me. My Lumi went before Leia, Sid etc which wasn't possible unless its more speed than it actually is. Not sure if its double but def more than it is now. In meantime I did upgrade his skill so I need more testing.
GW is different in the fact that each mach is considering a continuation of the the previous fight. So the "who goes first situation" gets thrown out the door in gw.
And I'm talking about first fight. Where there is no continuation. First fight, my Lumi went before my Leia. Which should not be possible.
If this is true. Please don't fix this. This is awesome.
Don't fix a broken aspect? What a **** statement.
Well Poe isn't getting fixed sooooooo
What do you mean fixed? As of right now, Poe is just another tool in someone's arsenal. A jedi team can be as fast or faster, same with a rebel team. (possibly even an empire team).
While to some degree it is still rock paper scissors, at least it changes up the team makeups.
I think seeing a Han go before everyone is going to scare a lot of people. Not sure I want to devote the resources to get a Rebel team going, but it will be a scary thing if Han goes first and gives your team all that turn meter.
Stormotrooper now can taunt at tick 7, just like Han (if leaded by Tarkin and Ackbar). Both can affect turn meter when being shot.
I have posted about this few weeks ago in GW and while farming maths and no one listened to me. My Lumi went before Leia, Sid etc which wasn't possible unless its more speed than it actually is. Not sure if its double but def more than it is now. In meantime I did upgrade his skill so I need more testing.
GW is different in the fact that each mach is considering a continuation of the the previous fight. So the "who goes first situation" gets thrown out the door in gw.
And I'm talking about first fight. Where there is no continuation. First fight, my Lumi went before my Leia. Which should not be possible.
Hmm that is a good point maybe by changing the speed they moved that bug into squad arena. I haven't tested gw nearly as much as squad arena so I really don't know. Something for the devs to look into I guess.
If this is true. Please don't fix this. This is awesome.
Don't fix a broken aspect? What a **** statement.
Well Poe isn't getting fixed sooooooo
What do you mean fixed? As of right now, Poe is just another tool in someone's arsenal. A jedi team can be as fast or faster, same with a rebel team. (possibly even an empire team).
While to some degree it is still rock paper scissors, at least it changes up the team makeups.
I think seeing a Han go before everyone is going to scare a lot of people. Not sure I want to devote the resources to get a Rebel team going, but it will be a scary thing if Han goes first and gives your team all that turn meter.
I've been saying it for a while now. Once the speed leadership abilities are fixed, ST Han + Ackbar (L) is going to be a deadly combination.
Ackbar, Leia, Han, Luke and Hoth Rebel Scout might be a thing. I mean... they could, if QGJ, Ben, Yoda and friends wouldn't strangle the meta with a chokehold
I did a couple tests and the first 3 Old Ben went before Poe BUT last 2 Poe got off his taunt before Ben. I would test more if it didn't cost so much to refresh lol
I did a couple tests and the first 3 Old Ben went before Poe BUT last 2 Poe got off his taunt before Ben. I would test more if it didn't cost so much to refresh lol
Did QGJ go before Poe all the time? If so, this is consistent with Team Instinct theory, both the 143+ bracket and speed being added twice.
I did a couple tests and the first 3 Old Ben went before Poe BUT last 2 Poe got off his taunt before Ben. I would test more if it didn't cost so much to refresh lol
Did QGJ go before Poe all the time? If so, this is consistent with Team Instinct theory, both the 143+ bracket and speed being added twice.
I did a couple tests and the first 3 Old Ben went before Poe BUT last 2 Poe got off his taunt before Ben. I would test more if it didn't cost so much to refresh lol
Did QGJ go before Poe all the time? If so, this is consistent with Team Instinct theory, both the 143+ bracket and speed being added twice.
Yes every time
That's mean's the current speed theory hold ups. Ewokrampage is most likely correct in saying the leader abilities are doubled.
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Not at all. Qui-Gon's leader ability wasn't working in Arena before the update.
Thank you. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
If a turn 7 Old Ben is working as intended then this changes the entire meta completely.
No, it's not.
Look at how many Characters end at 142, or right at 143. Or, are at 120/121 who could get speed leader bonus.
Or look at how many are at 112, instead of 111. I mean, it's apparent from how many of these values are so close to our "turn" guide, that I have a hard time believing we are wrong (let alone the fact that in actuality it seems to play our perfectly).
So, even if we are "wrong", I bet it is semantics. I bet we are close enough that you can trust the data, we just might get to it in a slightly different way.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/8717/quigon-leader-skilled-is-bugged
This makes Old Ben a paid exclusive god-like. Seems worse from where I am standing.
If 1+2>4, then it changes the basics of mathematics completely, not just the meta. That's a bigger problem
Yea we are sort of in the dark still on speed. However, even if is not 2x speed buff, we think there is some issue there that is causing speed teams to go extremely fast compared to already fast people they should be slower than.
It depends, if it is a speed overhaul, then "turn 7" might no longer exist. We need to chill and discover what happens, and why, before looking at how it affects the meta.
BTW, it would help A LOT if CG could trust the players and release how the mechanics of the game works. Theey could have 5 million free debuggers and playtesters if they chosed to do so. But as they preffert to remain reclusive and keep secrets about how the game works, we don't know what else is broken.
I mean, Team Instinct seem to have found a bug a few hours after release. Maybe Potency or Tenacity or Armor penetration is being applied twice too... but we can't check, because we don't know how they are supposed to work. Food for thought @EA_Jesse
Well Poe isn't getting fixed sooooooo
Great work on the tests and the analysis! Thanks again!
Jesse is already looking into this.
What do you mean fixed? As of right now, Poe is just another tool in someone's arsenal. A jedi team can be as fast or faster, same with a rebel team. (possibly even an empire team).
While to some degree it is still rock paper scissors, at least it changes up the team makeups.
I think seeing a Han go before everyone is going to scare a lot of people. Not sure I want to devote the resources to get a Rebel team going, but it will be a scary thing if Han goes first and gives your team all that turn meter.
GW is different in the fact that each mach is considering a continuation of the the previous fight. So the "who goes first situation" gets thrown out the door in gw.
I would really like to know how some of the in-game stats are translated into percentages/actual numbers, however the devs continue to keep this information "hush hush". For what reason, I know not.
And I'm talking about first fight. Where there is no continuation. First fight, my Lumi went before my Leia. Which should not be possible.
Hmm that is a good point maybe by changing the speed they moved that bug into squad arena. I haven't tested gw nearly as much as squad arena so I really don't know. Something for the devs to look into I guess.
I've been saying it for a while now. Once the speed leadership abilities are fixed, ST Han + Ackbar (L) is going to be a deadly combination.
Did QGJ go before Poe all the time? If so, this is consistent with Team Instinct theory, both the 143+ bracket and speed being added twice.
Yes every time
That's mean's the current speed theory hold ups. Ewokrampage is most likely correct in saying the leader abilities are doubled.