I would be annoyed if I had leveled up 5's, Omega'ed him, Droid Callered him, etc, but I saw the basic as a bug from the first time it came up on the forums. I knew the fix/nerf was coming. Everybody is rightly annoyed that their exploit was removed, your compensation was that you got to use a very powerful character for awhile. Now can we move on?
No. Because their wording was vague, that is not our fault. many did not see it as a bug, but working as intended due to how the devs wrote it. That is not an exploit.
Since you never warned us that you were going to drastically change how the character worked, and his description clearly states that he gives a double attack if the enemy has speed down...he was working as his description said. You stealth nerfed an ability that I spent precious omegas on, completely changed how it worked, and in turn took away the only thing that made him somewhat viable in arena. I'm seriously ticked about this.
Dude just be glad you didn't invest in Yoda like some did. The nerf bat pummeled him. I'm still upset if I think about it. But what's that get me? You can't trust that a character you like will be good forever. They're always messing with the team-composition games. It is the nature.
Since you never warned us that you were going to drastically change how the character worked, and his description clearly states that he gives a double attack if the enemy has speed down...he was working as his description said. You stealth nerfed an ability that I spent precious omegas on, completely changed how it worked, and in turn took away the only thing that made him somewhat viable in arena. I'm seriously ticked about this.
Dude just be glad you didn't invest in Yoda like some did. The nerf bat pummeled him. I'm still upset if I think about it. But what's that get me? You can't trust that a character you like will be good forever. They're always messing with the team-composition games. It is the nature.
This isn't what has me mad. Its the dishonesty. The cloak and dagger. I don't think I've ever seen a dev this tight lipped about upcoming changes.
I would be annoyed if I had leveled up 5's, Omega'ed him, Droid Callered him, etc, but I saw the basic as a bug from the first time it came up on the forums. I knew the fix/nerf was coming. Everybody is rightly annoyed that their exploit was removed, your compensation was that you got to use a very powerful character for awhile. Now can we move on?
An action working exactly as described is not an exploit.
I would be annoyed if I had leveled up 5's, Omega'ed him, Droid Callered him, etc, but I saw the basic as a bug from the first time it came up on the forums. I knew the fix/nerf was coming. Everybody is rightly annoyed that their exploit was removed, your compensation was that you got to use a very powerful character for awhile. Now can we move on?
This isn't what has me mad. Its the dishonesty. The cloak and dagger. I don't think I've ever seen a dev this tight lipped about upcoming changes.
Whoa I have to call you on this though man. It was a glitch that players exploited for months. If you didn't realize that it was maybe a little strong, and still put stuff into it. You gambled WAAAAY against the odds. Devs don't have to tell us that they're bug fixing; it's their job to do it. If they do it, they post about it. There is no "dishonesty" or "cloak and dagger" Be angry, but be careful you don't paint yourself in a corner with words shared in anger. I get it. But no one is going to listen to you if you start making wild accusations, you'll lose you're voice and everyone will write you off.
They probably seen that video of Fives soloing some challenges and said "nope, we can't let this happen".
The funny thing is that this change doesn't impact his ability to solo the tank challenge. He can still do it no problem. This change isn't even that drastic. He still counters and applies slow. He just doesn't attack twice. He loses ~2500 damage one time. 5s was always best at the end of matches when there are only a few toons left, He will still double attack then because he will keep getting attacked from toons he previously applied slow to. I think the reaction is a bit over the top actually.
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I would be annoyed if I had leveled up 5's, Omega'ed him, Droid Callered him, etc, but I saw the basic as a bug from the first time it came up on the forums. I knew the fix/nerf was coming. Everybody is rightly annoyed that their exploit was removed, your compensation was that you got to use a very powerful character for awhile. Now can we move on?
No. Because their wording was vague, that is not our fault. many did not see it as a bug, but working as intended due to how the devs wrote it. That is not an exploit.
I don't think it's vague or open to interpretation. I think some need to read it again.
"Deal physical damage to target enemy and inflict Speed Down for 2 turns. Attack AGAIN if enemy is inflicted with Speed Down."
"AGAIN" it says. So if Speed Down was applied on the 1st hit, attack AGAIN.
It does NOT say if an enemy is already inflicted with Speed Down attack twice.
This is not a bug fix.
This isn't what has me mad. Its the dishonesty. The cloak and dagger. I don't think I've ever seen a dev this tight lipped about upcoming changes.
Whoa I have to call you on this though man. It was a glitch that players exploited for months. If you didn't realize that it was maybe a little strong, and still put stuff into it. You gambled WAAAAY against the odds. Devs don't have to tell us that they're bug fixing; it's their job to do it. If they do it, they post about it. There is no "dishonesty" or "cloak and dagger" Be angry, but be careful you don't paint yourself in a corner with words shared in anger. I get it. But no one is going to listen to you if you start making wild accusations, you'll lose you're voice and everyone will write you off.
Oh really. You are saying they don't make changes cloak and dagger? Don't make me laugh.
and read the description. It was THEIR fault it was worded incorrectly.
I would be annoyed if I had leveled up 5's, Omega'ed him, Droid Callered him, etc, but I saw the basic as a bug from the first time it came up on the forums. I knew the fix/nerf was coming. Everybody is rightly annoyed that their exploit was removed, your compensation was that you got to use a very powerful character for awhile. Now can we move on?
No. Because their wording was vague, that is not our fault. many did not see it as a bug, but working as intended due to how the devs wrote it. That is not an exploit.
I don't think it's vague or open to interpretation. I think some need to read it again.
"Deal physical damage to target enemy and inflict Speed Down for 2 turns. Attack AGAIN if enemy is inflicted with Speed Down."
"AGAIN" it says. So if Speed Down was applied on the 1st hit, attack AGAIN.
It does NOT say if an enemy is already inflicted with Speed Down attack twice.
This is not a bug fix.
This is how I, and many others took it. If he succeeds in speed down he attacks again
Since you never warned us that you were going to drastically change how the character worked, and his description clearly states that he gives a double attack if the enemy has speed down...he was working as his description said. You stealth nerfed an ability that I spent precious omegas on, completely changed how it worked, and in turn took away the only thing that made him somewhat viable in arena. I'm seriously ticked about this.
As you say the description states IF the enemy HAS speed down, however the toon HAS speed down only after the first hit, they fixed 5s and didn't nerf him. Sure he is not as dominant as he used to be anymore but he's still great.
I am a droid fanatic you might say and I am not enraged by this fix, I would rather say it is fair for people with underlevelled toons facing an omega 5s in GW and also fair he can't beat 4v1 anymore. I had a fight today and he still won a 2v1 without problems. So I see no reason for people to start complaining over this FIX.
Since you never warned us that you were going to drastically change how the character worked, and his description clearly states that he gives a double attack if the enemy has speed down...he was working as his description said. You stealth nerfed an ability that I spent precious omegas on, completely changed how it worked, and in turn took away the only thing that made him somewhat viable in arena. I'm seriously ticked about this.
As you say the description states IF the enemy HAS speed down, however the toon HAS speed down only after the first hit, they fixed 5s and didn't nerf him. Sure he is not as dominant as he used to be anymore but he's still great.
I am a droid fanatic you might say and I am not enraged by this fix, I would rather say it is fair for people with underlevelled toons facing an omega 5s in GW and also fair he can't beat 4v1 anymore. I had a fight today and he still won a 2v1 without problems. So I see no reason for people to start complaining over this FIX.
No. The wording says "if the enemy is inflicted with speed down" as in the first part says that there is a chance to inflict speed down. then the next says if enemy is inflicted with speed down, he attacks again. it makes it sound as if he gets his second attack if he successfully applies speed down. Says nothing about if the enemy "has" or "already has"
The fact that this is such a debate proves my point. They worded it badly and caused many to spend significant resources on him. (a caller in my case as well as omegas)
The wording is very relevant. It tells us what the ability does, but I'm sure you know that and are just trolling.
Not even slightly. Once it hit the bug board, it gets changed how and when they see fit.
They could have fixed it by changing the description, or re-imagining the ability entirely.
We knew that it was pending a fix or clarification. This fix clarified things.
No. The wording says "if the enemy is inflicted with speed down"
My bad I didn't go check what it actually said in the description, but rather stated what you wrote in the OP. I see that it is quite different with the description as it is, however, I still think it was a decent move in the sake of balance.
The wording is very relevant. It tells us what the ability does, but I'm sure you know that and are just trolling.
Not even slightly. Once it hit the bug board, it gets changed how and when they see fit.
They could have fixed it by changing the description, or re-imagining the ability entirely.
We knew that it was pending a fix or clarification. This fix clarified things.
The clarification should have come the moment those "bug reports" started coming in
No. The wording says "if the enemy is inflicted with speed down"
My bad I didn't go check what it actually said in the description, but rather stated what you wrote in the OP. I see that it is quite different with the description as it is, however, I still think it was a decent move in the sake of balance.
And I am as stated hit by this change as well.
Fives was never Op. Stun him. Thats all you need. he is quite easy to stun. If you don't have a stun toon...well thats your fault. He had plenty of counters. Dodge meta should have been nerfed long before an average toon
The wording is very relevant. It tells us what the ability does, but I'm sure you know that and are just trolling.
Not even slightly. Once it hit the bug board, it gets changed how and when they see fit.
They could have fixed it by changing the description, or re-imagining the ability entirely.
We knew that it was pending a fix or clarification. This fix clarified things.
Maybe I missed it, Fives isnt my fav by a distance, it was a few weeks ago I put Omega on.
Lesson learnt, dont put on Omega's unless you will use the toon today.
No. The wording says "if the enemy is inflicted with speed down"
My bad I didn't go check what it actually said in the description, but rather stated what you wrote in the OP. I see that it is quite different with the description as it is, however, I still think it was a decent move in the sake of balance.
And I am as stated hit by this change as well.
Fives was never Op. Stun him. Thats all you need. he is quite easy to stun. If you don't have a stun toon...well thats your fault. He had plenty of counters. Dodge meta should have been nerfed long before an average toon
Please don't call Fives an average toon. He isn't average now and he most certainly wasn't average yesterday. Were there ways to deal with him? Sure...but the really good teams that had Fives in them, those were something else entirely. Plus he still has synergies from assist callers and Phasma/RG.
Fives was never Op. Stun him. Thats all you need. he is quite easy to stun. If you don't have a stun toon...well thats your fault. He had plenty of counters. Dodge meta should have been nerfed long before an average toon
Maybe he wasn't OP but his ability to win fights 3 or 4v1 was over the top, I still don't know how one on offense could fail in beating him with 4 toons standing, but against AI it was well possible and I think that shouldn't be the case.
I agree that the dodges are more of an issue than 5s was. But also imo dodge teams are quite manageable, though tedious.
No. The wording says "if the enemy is inflicted with speed down"
My bad I didn't go check what it actually said in the description, but rather stated what you wrote in the OP. I see that it is quite different with the description as it is, however, I still think it was a decent move in the sake of balance.
And I am as stated hit by this change as well.
Fives was never Op. Stun him. Thats all you need. he is quite easy to stun. If you don't have a stun toon...well thats your fault. He had plenty of counters. Dodge meta should have been nerfed long before an average toon
Please don't call Fives an average toon. He isn't average now and he most certainly wasn't average yesterday. Were there ways to deal with him? Sure...but the really good teams that had Fives in them, those were something else entirely. Plus he still has synergies from assist callers and Phasma/RG.
Ok he was good when he had the double attack working as the description said. he's average at best now. A lot of his damage came from that double attack on speed down application. I used fives for a long time after the omega went live. It was his bread and butter
Fives was never Op. Stun him. Thats all you need. he is quite easy to stun. If you don't have a stun toon...well thats your fault. He had plenty of counters. Dodge meta should have been nerfed long before an average toon
Maybe he wasn't OP but his ability to win fights 3 or 4v1 was over the top, I still don't know how one on offense could fail in beating him with 4 toons standing, but against AI it was well possible and I think that shouldn't be the case.
I agree that the dodges are more of an issue than 5s was. But also imo dodge teams are quite manageable, though tedious.
Those 4 v 1 fights. I'd love to see videos. What toons they were, what their health was. Most likely they were glass cannons, or low damage toons, with low health left
The wording is very relevant. It tells us what the ability does, but I'm sure you know that and are just trolling.
Not even slightly. Once it hit the bug board, it gets changed how and when they see fit.
They could have fixed it by changing the description, or re-imagining the ability entirely.
We knew that it was pending a fix or clarification. This fix clarified things.
The clarification should have come the moment those "bug reports" started coming in
Its a conglomerate of companies. They couldnt agree on the time of day without 10 meetings.
They looked at it, did their fix, wrote some notes, and moved on.
They make us agree to them changing whatever, whenever.
Oh really. You are saying they don't make changes cloak and dagger? Don't make me laugh.
and read the description. It was THEIR fault it was worded incorrectly.
Yes, really. Find me a game publisher of a similar product and genre that has as much communication and announcement as we get in-game and in these forums. You make it sound like poor little you was cheated or backstabbed. It is YOUR fault you put omega into an overpowered character. Who did you think they were going to change stats on next? Of course the meta heroes get constant balancing changes. Make sure you're not putting omega into GS, Rey, Rex, RG, GQJ, Dooku, while we're on the subject.
I do hope you're laughing, because endorphins are the only thing that are gonna get you through this.
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No. Because their wording was vague, that is not our fault. many did not see it as a bug, but working as intended due to how the devs wrote it. That is not an exploit.
Dude just be glad you didn't invest in Yoda like some did. The nerf bat pummeled him. I'm still upset if I think about it. But what's that get me? You can't trust that a character you like will be good forever. They're always messing with the team-composition games. It is the nature.
This isn't what has me mad. Its the dishonesty. The cloak and dagger. I don't think I've ever seen a dev this tight lipped about upcoming changes.
An action working exactly as described is not an exploit.
My post. Read it.
Semantics gives them a leg to stand on.
One. Single. Hit.
Nerfed, bug fix... who cares. He is definitely still a complete and utter destroyer of teams that don't have a stunner in play.
Hopefully the whambulance leaves you babies to cry until you run dry.
Whoa I have to call you on this though man. It was a glitch that players exploited for months. If you didn't realize that it was maybe a little strong, and still put stuff into it. You gambled WAAAAY against the odds. Devs don't have to tell us that they're bug fixing; it's their job to do it. If they do it, they post about it. There is no "dishonesty" or "cloak and dagger" Be angry, but be careful you don't paint yourself in a corner with words shared in anger. I get it. But no one is going to listen to you if you start making wild accusations, you'll lose you're voice and everyone will write you off.
The funny thing is that this change doesn't impact his ability to solo the tank challenge. He can still do it no problem. This change isn't even that drastic. He still counters and applies slow. He just doesn't attack twice. He loses ~2500 damage one time. 5s was always best at the end of matches when there are only a few toons left, He will still double attack then because he will keep getting attacked from toons he previously applied slow to. I think the reaction is a bit over the top actually.
I don't think it's vague or open to interpretation. I think some need to read it again.
"Deal physical damage to target enemy and inflict Speed Down for 2 turns. Attack AGAIN if enemy is inflicted with Speed Down."
"AGAIN" it says. So if Speed Down was applied on the 1st hit, attack AGAIN.
It does NOT say if an enemy is already inflicted with Speed Down attack twice.
This is not a bug fix.
Oh really. You are saying they don't make changes cloak and dagger? Don't make me laugh.
and read the description. It was THEIR fault it was worded incorrectly.
This is how I, and many others took it. If he succeeds in speed down he attacks again
People reported it, so it became a bug.
The wording is very relevant. It tells us what the ability does, but I'm sure you know that and are just trolling.
As you say the description states IF the enemy HAS speed down, however the toon HAS speed down only after the first hit, they fixed 5s and didn't nerf him. Sure he is not as dominant as he used to be anymore but he's still great.
I am a droid fanatic you might say and I am not enraged by this fix, I would rather say it is fair for people with underlevelled toons facing an omega 5s in GW and also fair he can't beat 4v1 anymore. I had a fight today and he still won a 2v1 without problems. So I see no reason for people to start complaining over this FIX.
No. The wording says "if the enemy is inflicted with speed down" as in the first part says that there is a chance to inflict speed down. then the next says if enemy is inflicted with speed down, he attacks again. it makes it sound as if he gets his second attack if he successfully applies speed down. Says nothing about if the enemy "has" or "already has"
The fact that this is such a debate proves my point. They worded it badly and caused many to spend significant resources on him. (a caller in my case as well as omegas)
Not even slightly. Once it hit the bug board, it gets changed how and when they see fit.
They could have fixed it by changing the description, or re-imagining the ability entirely.
We knew that it was pending a fix or clarification. This fix clarified things.
My bad I didn't go check what it actually said in the description, but rather stated what you wrote in the OP. I see that it is quite different with the description as it is, however, I still think it was a decent move in the sake of balance.
And I am as stated hit by this change as well.
The clarification should have come the moment those "bug reports" started coming in
Fives was never Op. Stun him. Thats all you need. he is quite easy to stun. If you don't have a stun toon...well thats your fault. He had plenty of counters. Dodge meta should have been nerfed long before an average toon
I can tell you right now there will not be one. Its not like CG to talk to their players
Maybe I missed it, Fives isnt my fav by a distance, it was a few weeks ago I put Omega on.
Lesson learnt, dont put on Omega's unless you will use the toon today.
Please don't call Fives an average toon. He isn't average now and he most certainly wasn't average yesterday. Were there ways to deal with him? Sure...but the really good teams that had Fives in them, those were something else entirely. Plus he still has synergies from assist callers and Phasma/RG.
Maybe he wasn't OP but his ability to win fights 3 or 4v1 was over the top, I still don't know how one on offense could fail in beating him with 4 toons standing, but against AI it was well possible and I think that shouldn't be the case.
I agree that the dodges are more of an issue than 5s was. But also imo dodge teams are quite manageable, though tedious.
Ok he was good when he had the double attack working as the description said. he's average at best now. A lot of his damage came from that double attack on speed down application. I used fives for a long time after the omega went live. It was his bread and butter
Those 4 v 1 fights. I'd love to see videos. What toons they were, what their health was. Most likely they were glass cannons, or low damage toons, with low health left
Its a conglomerate of companies. They couldnt agree on the time of day without 10 meetings.
They looked at it, did their fix, wrote some notes, and moved on.
They make us agree to them changing whatever, whenever.
All pixels have zero actual value.
Yes, really. Find me a game publisher of a similar product and genre that has as much communication and announcement as we get in-game and in these forums. You make it sound like poor little you was cheated or backstabbed. It is YOUR fault you put omega into an overpowered character. Who did you think they were going to change stats on next? Of course the meta heroes get constant balancing changes. Make sure you're not putting omega into GS, Rey, Rex, RG, GQJ, Dooku, while we're on the subject.
I do hope you're laughing, because endorphins are the only thing that are gonna get you through this.