Precraft gear gap has only worsened as time goes on

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  • Asavanor
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    We better get an answer on this on Friday.
  • Unimatrix
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    How many heroics have you done? Most of my guild has gotten 3-5 full drops plus crafted another 3-5.

    If you aren't doing heroics, don't expect end game gear without doing end game content.

    (Bad)RNG is RNG. We have people in our guild who have yet to receive any droid callers or droid caller salvage. Sitting at 200 furnace salvage. And yes we do heroic.

    Same here. True Story. My story, unfortunately.
  • Asavanor
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    Unimatrix wrote: »
    How many heroics have you done? Most of my guild has gotten 3-5 full drops plus crafted another 3-5.

    If you aren't doing heroics, don't expect end game gear without doing end game content.

    (Bad)RNG is RNG. We have people in our guild who have yet to receive any droid callers or droid caller salvage. Sitting at 200 furnace salvage. And yes we do heroic.

    Same here. True Story. My story, unfortunately.

    This is why the entire game is completely broken for at least half of the player base.
  • Hellcat
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    It's perfectly fine to make gear grind difficult, IF THE GRIND IS FAIR. Precraft has totally ruined the balance, and the devs need to acknowledge it.
    Make the current raid gear more accessible (better rates from raids, make them obtainable from shipment, give them out in events or even include them in daily award ala omega mats) is one way to solve this. Delay the gear grind until the next big update (Gear 12 onwards), and make sure nobody can precraft this time ;)
  • LeoRavus
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    Have they made the announcement yet?
  • Asavanor
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    Hellcat wrote: »
    It's perfectly fine to make gear grind difficult, IF THE GRIND IS FAIR. Precraft has totally ruined the balance, and the devs need to acknowledge it.
    Make the current raid gear more accessible (better rates from raids, make them obtainable from shipment, give them out in events or even include them in daily award ala omega mats) is one way to solve this. Delay the gear grind until the next big update (Gear 12 onwards), and make sure nobody can precraft this time ;)

    Well said and great ideas.
  • Asavanor
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    LeoRavus wrote: »
    Have they made the announcement yet?

    Not yet. Hopefully tomorrow.
  • marydare
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    The droid caller struggle is real, and in the month and a half I've been playing its gone from bad to worse to a material disadvantage in every raid & GW node. If they don't address this as promised, soon, I may have to stop supporting the game. And that would be sad for me because I like it (a lot!) and have put considerable time & money into it, and otherwise I think it is pretty awesomely balanced and scaled to allow for lots of fun future content & interesting gameplay.

    But in my experience an inequitable, arbitrary roadblock to player progress like this (accompanied by extended radio silence & a conspicuous lack of ameliorative action) is indicative of negligent gamemakers who will continue to create artificial scarcity & carrot-on-a-stick stress to squeeze every possible dime out of players, often ruining the game in the process. There is plenty of pressure already, and the game is extremely well-monetized at this point. There is a tipping point where it stops feeding momentum & starts making honest effort feel unrewarded and futile. And that's when good, dedicated, profitable players will go elsewhere.

    C'mon team, don't leave us hanging on this one! Aside from this, I've been really impressed by your communication and the evolution of the game. I want to believe! <3

    EDIT: Can't call out staff or mods.
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  • Asavanor
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    marydare wrote: »
    The droid caller struggle is real, and in the month and a half I've been playing its gone from bad to worse to a material disadvantage in every raid & GW node. If they don't address this as promised, soon, I may have to stop supporting the game. And that would be sad for me because I like it (a lot!) and have put considerable time & money into it, and otherwise I think it is pretty awesomely balanced and scaled to allow for lots of fun future content & interesting gameplay.

    But in my experience an inequitable, arbitrary roadblock to player progress like this (accompanied by extended radio silence & a conspicuous lack of ameliorative action) is indicative of negligent gamemakers who will continue to create artificial scarcity & carrot-on-a-stick stress to squeeze every possible dime out of players, often ruining the game in the process. There is plenty of pressure already, and the game is extremely well-monetized at this point. There is a tipping point where it stops feeding momentum & starts making honest effort feel unrewarded and futile. And that's when good, dedicated, profitable players will go elsewhere.

    C'mon team, don't leave us hanging on this one! Aside from this, I've been really impressed by your communication and the evolution of the game. I want to believe! <3

    Very well written and thoughtful statement. Alienating the player base is never good for business.
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  • Obi_Wan_Cannoli
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    i just wanted to comment that I hugely agree with this thread.

    Edit: Removed hate remark.
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  • Asavanor
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    If only they would work to fix things rather than sweeping it under the rug.
  • Loose_Lee
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    I've yet to get a single piece of unobtainium so far...not one...then again im f2p so im not crying, just laughing at you big babys crying over the gear walls and how there too big or too easy....

    Dude the majority of players NOT in a mega guild have yet to even have a single chance of getting a mk5 furnace or droid caller or nubian....so please for the love of space....keep crying about how unfair it is that your throwing scrap unobtainium on CUP and ugnaught while rest of us 3rd world players in the outer rim haven't even had a CHANCE to get unobtainium...yet again alone actually get a piece...the most the vast majority will even see for months to come is a piece of salvage...if there lucky...

    So go on cry about your 1st world problems...its quite amusing...and entertaining

  • Asavanor
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    Loose_Lee wrote: »
    I've yet to get a single piece of unobtainium so far...not one...then again im f2p so im not crying, just laughing at you big babys crying over the gear walls and how there too big or too easy....

    Dude the majority of players NOT in a mega guild have yet to even have a single chance of getting a mk5 furnace or droid caller or nubian....so please for the love of space....keep crying about how unfair it is that your throwing scrap unobtainium on CUP and ugnaught while rest of us 3rd world players in the outer rim haven't even had a CHANCE to get unobtainium...yet again alone actually get a piece...the most the vast majority will even see for months to come is a piece of salvage...if there lucky...

    So go on cry about your 1st world problems...its quite amusing...and entertaining

    Who are you referring to exactly? This thread is about the unfair advantage that was given to pre crafters when gear that was previously farmable was made unobtainable for the purpose of giving a reward in a terribly designed raiding system.
  • Loose_Lee
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    Precrafters, mega guilds, etc...im not complaining just noting that the only ones that seem to comment in the numerous threads on this subject are the ones that either precrafted or are in a guild that was doing raids that gave chances for unobtainium from the begining...thus making the arguments put forth, however accurate or inaccurate on the same level as having a prosecuting attorney that is the brother of the defendant...the content is misrepresented. I am fine with EA making f2p the gear gap huge...its there game they can do what they want.

  • Asavanor
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    I got you. Good point.
  • Asavanor
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    Can we get a mega thread for the gear/pre crafting issue? There are many threads out there.
  • LeoRavus
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    The developers have been extra quiet for the past week. Not sure if it's because they're coming up with a solution or hoping it'll blow over.
  • Asavanor
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    I'm wondering the same. This is why I've been trying to keep updating this thread so that the issue keeps getting seen and discussed.

  • LordRath
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    They have been traveling....
  • MBL_66
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    Jesse was on vacation and I'm pretty sure he's the only guy that works there
  • Asavanor
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    Pretty sad if it's just him.
  • djvita
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    He replied to a thread on NVidia Shield tablet yesterday.
    Hopefully we will get an answer tomorrow on the community update
  • Riggin12
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    djvita wrote: »
    He replied to a thread on NVidia Shield tablet yesterday.
    Hopefully we will get an answer tomorrow on the community update

    That is my hope as well. I am concerned that ignoring major balance issues will cause an exodus and harm the survivability of the game.
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  • ShaolinPunk
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    It's all speculation since we don't have the numbers for increase or decrease in player activity. I'm editing replies to help keep this thread open guys. Make sure your replies are written in compliance with:
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  • Asavanor
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    Thank you for looking out.

  • ShaolinPunk
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    I'm with you guys, I'd love to see some more ways to get end-game gear outside of heroic raid. Although, I also believe there ought to be something cool for those able to do the top things. But we've already listed a bunch of good ideas. Good work!
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  • LeoRavus
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    I'm with you guys, I'd love to see some more ways to get end-game gear outside of heroic raid. Although, I also believe there ought to be something cool for those able to do the top things. But we've already listed a bunch of good ideas. Good work!

    Or at least give us the option to choose what we need from the raid rewards. That would be step in the right direction.
  • ShaolinPunk
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    Haha, that would be something, but it totally goes against the slots mechanic of the rest of the game. I wouldn't hold my breath for that one, but we can dream right? :)
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  • Faroer
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    DEVs skipped the Wednesday update this week so tomorrow is really make it or break it day. If there is no weekly Friday update, i predict the game goes into death spiral. Here is hoping for the best...

    Also my guild only does heroics - have gotten a fully crafted furnace, plus plenty of other furnace salvage, but A total of 5 droid caller salvage. It is kind of a bad joke....
  • ShaolinPunk
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    Has there always been a weekly update on Wednesdays? I was unaware. I wouldn't worry about a death spiral either way. Is your Girl-Power team ready? I'm excited for this next event, because I actually have heroes for it. :)

    Maybe, just maybe, like what if, what if there are some higher gear pieces in the reward for this Female Hero event?!
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