SEE definitely needs a buff!

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  • Eweff wrote: »
    TargetEadu wrote: »
    Bastila Lead, not Fallen Bastila lead. And I’m fairly sure SEE can win that battle.

    You are correct. I typo-d. But I’m pretty sure I saw ultimate SEE on offense lose to Bast lead JML, but I could be wrong. Let me go look

    no your right. SEE will lose to a LS bast lead, JML, wat, hyoda, JKL.
    either flat out lose or timeout.

    timeout against non ult JML, flat out lose to ult JML

    Vid as proof. Shardmate admitted he had some mods wrong but the sheer fact that its a timeout, with non ult, says alot. SEE does NO DAMAGE.





    I have some other vids with his ult aoe hitting 60k, his basic hitting 40k or less, even against deceived LS targets.

    The best way to fix his kit is to
    A. Add that +50% damage to his basic.
    B. Sow Discord hits any enemy target at SEE turn start, not just LS
    C. Ult Revitalized Shock does 150% more damage to ANY deceived target, not just LS. As well as the 50% bonus from deceive basic carried over into Revitalized Shock

    Give him his damage since the devs refuse to make him work with any of the other sith.... aka work with health and health regeneration.
  • dgree
    274 posts Member
    @Sewpot JKR is hardcoded to attack Traya first (kind of like all the GLs being obsessed with 5s, resulting in the main cheesy 5s/Chewy counters to SLKR)

    Also, as far as Ability Blocks--Traya cleanses debuffs from Sith and DR cleanses AB from Sith Empire


    but if you want a cure against JML, this looks like a decent Sith counter to him that I've been seeing:




    wait, who's that GL in that sith squad?
  • Shiryu
    246 posts Member
    edited November 2
    dgree wrote: »
    @Sewpot JKR is hardcoded to attack Traya first (kind of like all the GLs being obsessed with 5s, resulting in the main cheesy 5s/Chewy counters to SLKR)

    Also, as far as Ability Blocks--Traya cleanses debuffs from Sith and DR cleanses AB from Sith Empire


    but if you want a cure against JML, this looks like a decent Sith counter to him that I've been seeing:




    wait, who's that GL in that sith squad?

    Yep. SEE is useless if he isn't lead. Cause he will NEVER ULT if he's not lead, and his damage is so lacking either way (lead or not) that he's dead weight if he's an ally.

    Edit: and he doesn't provide enough utility in debuffs or synergies to even qualify his lack of dmg
  • RAYRAY
    2753 posts Member
    Shiryu wrote: »
    Eweff wrote: »
    TargetEadu wrote: »
    Bastila Lead, not Fallen Bastila lead. And I’m fairly sure SEE can win that battle.

    You are correct. I typo-d. But I’m pretty sure I saw ultimate SEE on offense lose to Bast lead JML, but I could be wrong. Let me go look



    Yep. LS Bast L, JML, JKL, hyoda, wat.

    JML won't die, even against 5 sith remaining and before ult its a timeout (either attacking or defending) and post ult JML wins 100% of the time.

    SEEs problem is 2 fold.
    1. He does no damage or his debuff utility. The fixes for this shall be at the end after point 2.
    2. He directly counters and doesn't work with his sith allys with his kit.
    ---Example 1. Malak not having protection to regain from SEE second ability. As well as mastery stacking from SEE lead gives malak protection yet he can't raise his health (from unique) after battle starts. So he only gains health steal and armor. AS WELL as link stops the enemy from critting.. so malak can't even fear or taunt from inflicting fear.
    Example 2. Sion. Under SEE lead no Sith can revive. (this doesn't stop daka zombie). This anti revive directly counters Sions main gimmick. He has lower tank stats to make up for the fact he can revive over and over. Deathmark, Rey WW, SlKR on any attack, wat wep tech, Treya Isolate, DN annihilate, GAS in general, all already prevent this. SO WHY IS THIS EVEN HERE?
    Example 3. Any Sith with health abilities. Ill list them off.. Treya (Prot up based on MAX HEALTH. Both her unique and Iso buff she gives), Sion (revive ability restores his health), DN (especially this one as he has 2 ways to stack health), EP, Darth Sid, Maul (another big contender), Savage (gets HoTs), DR / BSF (health steal for their massive health pools), MALAK, Mara (health steal to keep him alive), SE Trooper (more prot up, aka max life needed), vader (heals when dots fade).

    Ok... so basically all the sith.

    Now for SEE damage. I have a few vids from the same shardmatw above that has my SEE hitting 60k on his ult aoe and 40k on his shock. My SEE has a speed set with CD triangle... hes to slow to not run a speed set.

    Ways to fix his damage that won't make him to strong
    1. Add the same +50% more damage to his basic that ALL OTHER GLS get for their damaging abilities.
    2. Sow Discord - have the weakest enemy get deceive at SEE turn start, not limited to only LS (SEE deceived EVERYONE.. not just the jedi or LS)
    3. Post Ult have his Revitalized Shock keep the 50% damage increase from his Discord basic along with having the 150% damage bonus to ANY deceived target. again removing the LS restriction.
    4. Have his ultimate AOE do more damage period. Sure it instantly kills 2 targets when he uses it only when link is active... and oh wait it doesn't when rey ults.
    5. Make link useful and add more detrimental effects to deceive. You can fix his damage another way. Make deceived targets have -50% defense and any sith hitting deceived targets have +50% armor pen. As for link... no clue here. It just feels very lacking.... OH I KNOW! have it deal damage to targets with Prot up, maybe 25% of the total value of prot up, and SEE gains prot equal to 25% of the damage delt.. this way prot up can still be healed but see can then affect it.... also find some way to link single targets... so he can't be 1v5ed


    TLDR... fix his synergies with Sith and give him the damage they said he would do.
    Per their post he was suppose to be equal to the other GLs.. so far he's half as strong as SEE for the damage and provides less debuffs then JML, and less utility then rey.

    Another small fix is to tweak ALL the old sith... but that won't happen

    Doesn’t see’s linked enemy annihilate work when Rey is in ultimate? I guess I never tried it but DN’s annihilate works against anyone that isn’t Rey when she activate her ultimate. If his annihilate doesn’t work, that seems like a bug.
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  • Shiryu
    246 posts Member
    edited November 2
    RAYRAY wrote: »
    Shiryu wrote: »
    Eweff wrote: »
    TargetEadu wrote: »
    Bastila Lead, not Fallen Bastila lead. And I’m fairly sure SEE can win that battle.

    You are correct. I typo-d. But I’m pretty sure I saw ultimate SEE on offense lose to Bast lead JML, but I could be wrong. Let me go look



    Yep. LS Bast L, JML, JKL, hyoda, wat.

    JML won't die, even against 5 sith remaining and before ult its a timeout (either attacking or defending) and post ult JML wins 100% of the time.

    SEEs problem is 2 fold.
    1. He does no damage or his debuff utility. The fixes for this shall be at the end after point 2.
    2. He directly counters and doesn't work with his sith allys with his kit.
    ---Example 1. Malak not having protection to regain from SEE second ability. As well as mastery stacking from SEE lead gives malak protection yet he can't raise his health (from unique) after battle starts. So he only gains health steal and armor. AS WELL as link stops the enemy from critting.. so malak can't even fear or taunt from inflicting fear.
    Example 2. Sion. Under SEE lead no Sith can revive. (this doesn't stop daka zombie). This anti revive directly counters Sions main gimmick. He has lower tank stats to make up for the fact he can revive over and over. Deathmark, Rey WW, SlKR on any attack, wat wep tech, Treya Isolate, DN annihilate, GAS in general, all already prevent this. SO WHY IS THIS EVEN HERE?
    Example 3. Any Sith with health abilities. Ill list them off.. Treya (Prot up based on MAX HEALTH. Both her unique and Iso buff she gives), Sion (revive ability restores his health), DN (especially this one as he has 2 ways to stack health), EP, Darth Sid, Maul (another big contender), Savage (gets HoTs), DR / BSF (health steal for their massive health pools), MALAK, Mara (health steal to keep him alive), SE Trooper (more prot up, aka max life needed), vader (heals when dots fade).

    Ok... so basically all the sith.

    Now for SEE damage. I have a few vids from the same shardmatw above that has my SEE hitting 60k on his ult aoe and 40k on his shock. My SEE has a speed set with CD triangle... hes to slow to not run a speed set.

    Ways to fix his damage that won't make him to strong
    1. Add the same +50% more damage to his basic that ALL OTHER GLS get for their damaging abilities.
    2. Sow Discord - have the weakest enemy get deceive at SEE turn start, not limited to only LS (SEE deceived EVERYONE.. not just the jedi or LS)
    3. Post Ult have his Revitalized Shock keep the 50% damage increase from his Discord basic along with having the 150% damage bonus to ANY deceived target. again removing the LS restriction.
    4. Have his ultimate AOE do more damage period. Sure it instantly kills 2 targets when he uses it only when link is active... and oh wait it doesn't when rey ults.
    5. Make link useful and add more detrimental effects to deceive. You can fix his damage another way. Make deceived targets have -50% defense and any sith hitting deceived targets have +50% armor pen. As for link... no clue here. It just feels very lacking.... OH I KNOW! have it deal damage to targets with Prot up, maybe 25% of the total value of prot up, and SEE gains prot equal to 25% of the damage delt.. this way prot up can still be healed but see can then affect it.... also find some way to link single targets... so he can't be 1v5ed


    TLDR... fix his synergies with Sith and give him the damage they said he would do.
    Per their post he was suppose to be equal to the other GLs.. so far he's half as strong as SEE for the damage and provides less debuffs then JML, and less utility then rey.

    Another small fix is to tweak ALL the old sith... but that won't happen

    Doesn’t see’s linked enemy annihilate work when Rey is in ultimate? I guess I never tried it but DN’s annihilate works against anyone that isn’t Rey when she activate her ultimate. If his annihilate doesn’t work, that seems like a bug.

    I'll try it again but pretty sure it just hit 1 damage 2 times and they lived through it.

    Edit: ok so it does kill through reys ult however on defense SEE links Rey 100% of the time... even through she has LITERALLY the lowest total protection in the game. so it does nothing.
    That and from all the vids my shardmate has shown me 3p0 is targeted 100%, of the time as well. Whether he's with rebs, rey, or GR
  • RAYRAY
    2753 posts Member
    Shiryu wrote: »
    RAYRAY wrote: »
    Shiryu wrote: »
    Eweff wrote: »
    TargetEadu wrote: »
    Bastila Lead, not Fallen Bastila lead. And I’m fairly sure SEE can win that battle.

    You are correct. I typo-d. But I’m pretty sure I saw ultimate SEE on offense lose to Bast lead JML, but I could be wrong. Let me go look



    Yep. LS Bast L, JML, JKL, hyoda, wat.

    JML won't die, even against 5 sith remaining and before ult its a timeout (either attacking or defending) and post ult JML wins 100% of the time.

    SEEs problem is 2 fold.
    1. He does no damage or his debuff utility. The fixes for this shall be at the end after point 2.
    2. He directly counters and doesn't work with his sith allys with his kit.
    ---Example 1. Malak not having protection to regain from SEE second ability. As well as mastery stacking from SEE lead gives malak protection yet he can't raise his health (from unique) after battle starts. So he only gains health steal and armor. AS WELL as link stops the enemy from critting.. so malak can't even fear or taunt from inflicting fear.
    Example 2. Sion. Under SEE lead no Sith can revive. (this doesn't stop daka zombie). This anti revive directly counters Sions main gimmick. He has lower tank stats to make up for the fact he can revive over and over. Deathmark, Rey WW, SlKR on any attack, wat wep tech, Treya Isolate, DN annihilate, GAS in general, all already prevent this. SO WHY IS THIS EVEN HERE?
    Example 3. Any Sith with health abilities. Ill list them off.. Treya (Prot up based on MAX HEALTH. Both her unique and Iso buff she gives), Sion (revive ability restores his health), DN (especially this one as he has 2 ways to stack health), EP, Darth Sid, Maul (another big contender), Savage (gets HoTs), DR / BSF (health steal for their massive health pools), MALAK, Mara (health steal to keep him alive), SE Trooper (more prot up, aka max life needed), vader (heals when dots fade).

    Ok... so basically all the sith.

    Now for SEE damage. I have a few vids from the same shardmatw above that has my SEE hitting 60k on his ult aoe and 40k on his shock. My SEE has a speed set with CD triangle... hes to slow to not run a speed set.

    Ways to fix his damage that won't make him to strong
    1. Add the same +50% more damage to his basic that ALL OTHER GLS get for their damaging abilities.
    2. Sow Discord - have the weakest enemy get deceive at SEE turn start, not limited to only LS (SEE deceived EVERYONE.. not just the jedi or LS)
    3. Post Ult have his Revitalized Shock keep the 50% damage increase from his Discord basic along with having the 150% damage bonus to ANY deceived target. again removing the LS restriction.
    4. Have his ultimate AOE do more damage period. Sure it instantly kills 2 targets when he uses it only when link is active... and oh wait it doesn't when rey ults.
    5. Make link useful and add more detrimental effects to deceive. You can fix his damage another way. Make deceived targets have -50% defense and any sith hitting deceived targets have +50% armor pen. As for link... no clue here. It just feels very lacking.... OH I KNOW! have it deal damage to targets with Prot up, maybe 25% of the total value of prot up, and SEE gains prot equal to 25% of the damage delt.. this way prot up can still be healed but see can then affect it.... also find some way to link single targets... so he can't be 1v5ed


    TLDR... fix his synergies with Sith and give him the damage they said he would do.
    Per their post he was suppose to be equal to the other GLs.. so far he's half as strong as SEE for the damage and provides less debuffs then JML, and less utility then rey.

    Another small fix is to tweak ALL the old sith... but that won't happen

    Doesn’t see’s linked enemy annihilate work when Rey is in ultimate? I guess I never tried it but DN’s annihilate works against anyone that isn’t Rey when she activate her ultimate. If his annihilate doesn’t work, that seems like a bug.

    I'll try it again but pretty sure it just hit 1 damage 2 times and they lived through it.

    If DN’s works, that’s gotta be a bug then.
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  • Kyno
    26614 posts Moderator
    RAYRAY wrote: »
    Shiryu wrote: »
    RAYRAY wrote: »
    Shiryu wrote: »
    Eweff wrote: »
    TargetEadu wrote: »
    Bastila Lead, not Fallen Bastila lead. And I’m fairly sure SEE can win that battle.

    You are correct. I typo-d. But I’m pretty sure I saw ultimate SEE on offense lose to Bast lead JML, but I could be wrong. Let me go look



    Yep. LS Bast L, JML, JKL, hyoda, wat.

    JML won't die, even against 5 sith remaining and before ult its a timeout (either attacking or defending) and post ult JML wins 100% of the time.

    SEEs problem is 2 fold.
    1. He does no damage or his debuff utility. The fixes for this shall be at the end after point 2.
    2. He directly counters and doesn't work with his sith allys with his kit.
    ---Example 1. Malak not having protection to regain from SEE second ability. As well as mastery stacking from SEE lead gives malak protection yet he can't raise his health (from unique) after battle starts. So he only gains health steal and armor. AS WELL as link stops the enemy from critting.. so malak can't even fear or taunt from inflicting fear.
    Example 2. Sion. Under SEE lead no Sith can revive. (this doesn't stop daka zombie). This anti revive directly counters Sions main gimmick. He has lower tank stats to make up for the fact he can revive over and over. Deathmark, Rey WW, SlKR on any attack, wat wep tech, Treya Isolate, DN annihilate, GAS in general, all already prevent this. SO WHY IS THIS EVEN HERE?
    Example 3. Any Sith with health abilities. Ill list them off.. Treya (Prot up based on MAX HEALTH. Both her unique and Iso buff she gives), Sion (revive ability restores his health), DN (especially this one as he has 2 ways to stack health), EP, Darth Sid, Maul (another big contender), Savage (gets HoTs), DR / BSF (health steal for their massive health pools), MALAK, Mara (health steal to keep him alive), SE Trooper (more prot up, aka max life needed), vader (heals when dots fade).

    Ok... so basically all the sith.

    Now for SEE damage. I have a few vids from the same shardmatw above that has my SEE hitting 60k on his ult aoe and 40k on his shock. My SEE has a speed set with CD triangle... hes to slow to not run a speed set.

    Ways to fix his damage that won't make him to strong
    1. Add the same +50% more damage to his basic that ALL OTHER GLS get for their damaging abilities.
    2. Sow Discord - have the weakest enemy get deceive at SEE turn start, not limited to only LS (SEE deceived EVERYONE.. not just the jedi or LS)
    3. Post Ult have his Revitalized Shock keep the 50% damage increase from his Discord basic along with having the 150% damage bonus to ANY deceived target. again removing the LS restriction.
    4. Have his ultimate AOE do more damage period. Sure it instantly kills 2 targets when he uses it only when link is active... and oh wait it doesn't when rey ults.
    5. Make link useful and add more detrimental effects to deceive. You can fix his damage another way. Make deceived targets have -50% defense and any sith hitting deceived targets have +50% armor pen. As for link... no clue here. It just feels very lacking.... OH I KNOW! have it deal damage to targets with Prot up, maybe 25% of the total value of prot up, and SEE gains prot equal to 25% of the damage delt.. this way prot up can still be healed but see can then affect it.... also find some way to link single targets... so he can't be 1v5ed


    TLDR... fix his synergies with Sith and give him the damage they said he would do.
    Per their post he was suppose to be equal to the other GLs.. so far he's half as strong as SEE for the damage and provides less debuffs then JML, and less utility then rey.

    Another small fix is to tweak ALL the old sith... but that won't happen

    Doesn’t see’s linked enemy annihilate work when Rey is in ultimate? I guess I never tried it but DN’s annihilate works against anyone that isn’t Rey when she activate her ultimate. If his annihilate doesn’t work, that seems like a bug.

    I'll try it again but pretty sure it just hit 1 damage 2 times and they lived through it.

    If DN’s works, that’s gotta be a bug then.

    That would be my guess, Please let me know if it doesn't' work and I will pass this along to check.
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    Here's another **** encounter with SEE. If treya was lead this wouldn't happen ever.

    It's sad when EP and treya.. or even DV.. are better sith leads then older EP / the ABSOLUTE ruler of the sith.
  • Kyno wrote: »
    RAYRAY wrote: »
    Shiryu wrote: »
    RAYRAY wrote: »
    Shiryu wrote: »
    Eweff wrote: »
    TargetEadu wrote: »
    Bastila Lead, not Fallen Bastila lead. And I’m fairly sure SEE can win that battle.

    You are correct. I typo-d. But I’m pretty sure I saw ultimate SEE on offense lose to Bast lead JML, but I could be wrong. Let me go look



    Yep. LS Bast L, JML, JKL, hyoda, wat.

    JML won't die, even against 5 sith remaining and before ult its a timeout (either attacking or defending) and post ult JML wins 100% of the time.

    SEEs problem is 2 fold.
    1. He does no damage or his debuff utility. The fixes for this shall be at the end after point 2.
    2. He directly counters and doesn't work with his sith allys with his kit.
    ---Example 1. Malak not having protection to regain from SEE second ability. As well as mastery stacking from SEE lead gives malak protection yet he can't raise his health (from unique) after battle starts. So he only gains health steal and armor. AS WELL as link stops the enemy from critting.. so malak can't even fear or taunt from inflicting fear.
    Example 2. Sion. Under SEE lead no Sith can revive. (this doesn't stop daka zombie). This anti revive directly counters Sions main gimmick. He has lower tank stats to make up for the fact he can revive over and over. Deathmark, Rey WW, SlKR on any attack, wat wep tech, Treya Isolate, DN annihilate, GAS in general, all already prevent this. SO WHY IS THIS EVEN HERE?
    Example 3. Any Sith with health abilities. Ill list them off.. Treya (Prot up based on MAX HEALTH. Both her unique and Iso buff she gives), Sion (revive ability restores his health), DN (especially this one as he has 2 ways to stack health), EP, Darth Sid, Maul (another big contender), Savage (gets HoTs), DR / BSF (health steal for their massive health pools), MALAK, Mara (health steal to keep him alive), SE Trooper (more prot up, aka max life needed), vader (heals when dots fade).

    Ok... so basically all the sith.

    Now for SEE damage. I have a few vids from the same shardmatw above that has my SEE hitting 60k on his ult aoe and 40k on his shock. My SEE has a speed set with CD triangle... hes to slow to not run a speed set.

    Ways to fix his damage that won't make him to strong
    1. Add the same +50% more damage to his basic that ALL OTHER GLS get for their damaging abilities.
    2. Sow Discord - have the weakest enemy get deceive at SEE turn start, not limited to only LS (SEE deceived EVERYONE.. not just the jedi or LS)
    3. Post Ult have his Revitalized Shock keep the 50% damage increase from his Discord basic along with having the 150% damage bonus to ANY deceived target. again removing the LS restriction.
    4. Have his ultimate AOE do more damage period. Sure it instantly kills 2 targets when he uses it only when link is active... and oh wait it doesn't when rey ults.
    5. Make link useful and add more detrimental effects to deceive. You can fix his damage another way. Make deceived targets have -50% defense and any sith hitting deceived targets have +50% armor pen. As for link... no clue here. It just feels very lacking.... OH I KNOW! have it deal damage to targets with Prot up, maybe 25% of the total value of prot up, and SEE gains prot equal to 25% of the damage delt.. this way prot up can still be healed but see can then affect it.... also find some way to link single targets... so he can't be 1v5ed


    TLDR... fix his synergies with Sith and give him the damage they said he would do.
    Per their post he was suppose to be equal to the other GLs.. so far he's half as strong as SEE for the damage and provides less debuffs then JML, and less utility then rey.

    Another small fix is to tweak ALL the old sith... but that won't happen

    Doesn’t see’s linked enemy annihilate work when Rey is in ultimate? I guess I never tried it but DN’s annihilate works against anyone that isn’t Rey when she activate her ultimate. If his annihilate doesn’t work, that seems like a bug.

    I'll try it again but pretty sure it just hit 1 damage 2 times and they lived through it.

    If DN’s works, that’s gotta be a bug then.

    That would be my guess, Please let me know if it doesn't' work and I will pass this along to check.

    It works. Had to go verify. Granted when I noticed it a week ago it could have been a misunderstanding or a bug then.
  • dgree
    274 posts Member
    @Shiryu that's not SEE countering Luke, with all allies surviving, it's SLKR :tongue:
  • dgree wrote: »
    @Shiryu that's not SEE countering Luke, with all allies surviving, it's SLKR :tongue:

    Oh I know. Im just agreeing with you in that SEE is dead weight if hes not lead (no ult gain) and even when he is lead his ult is more of a detriment then a buff... as he loses the calling allies to assist and the defense side of restoring their meager low protection scores.
  • LordDunbar
    253 posts Member
    edited November 2
    Shiryu wrote: »

    Justice for our LEADER of the Sith.
    Justice for a KIT that should have been.
    Justice for Sith Eternal Emperor

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  • I like his shirt though.
  • dgree
    274 posts Member
    BTW, I know people come in here every other day claiming SEE should be terrible because DR can counter other GLs. I don't think that's a totally relevant thing to point out, but it's worth mentioning in that case that.... well, DR beats SEE as well.

    The fun part about it is that while SLKR requires a high-relic pretaunt tank just to survive his ridiculous initial annihilate (JML's contribution to the jedi), here it actually helps when weaker tanks are used against SEE--he's forced to link them, and then his squad is forced to kill them.

  • So Ahnald reckon he might have found SEE's niche - final phase of Geo TB. Heck of a price to 4 / 4 one battle.
  • RAYRAY
    2753 posts Member
    I went 4/4 in DSTB but so what? one additional wave that could be reliably gotten without SEE.
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  • RAYRAY wrote: »
    I went 4/4 in DSTB but so what? one additional wave that could be reliably gotten without SEE.

    I'm not arguing with you. If SEE's "thing" is a reliable 4 / 4 in TB then that's a truly poor return on the investment to get him.
  • Sewpot
    1432 posts Member
    edited November 2
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    Yep this is his moment to shine!! Lol lol lol

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    My arena mates laughing at me. My SEE with ultimate.
    And mods don’t seem to matter. I’ve tried many different sets now and speed and health seem to do more for him then any crit or offence sets.
    It wouldn’t feels so bad if I could post pictures of SEE with a bunch of scrubs and not have a loss on my team.
    Oh to dream 🤔
  • RAYRAY
    2753 posts Member
    edited November 2
    dgree wrote: »
    BTW, I know people come in here every other day claiming SEE should be terrible because DR can counter other GLs. I don't think that's a totally relevant thing to point out, but it's worth mentioning in that case that.... well, DR beats SEE as well.

    The fun part about it is that while SLKR requires a high-relic pretaunt tank just to survive his ridiculous initial annihilate (JML's contribution to the jedi), here it actually helps when weaker tanks are used against SEE--he's forced to link them, and then his squad is forced to kill them.


    I think this is important. If using an undergeared pretaunt against SEE makes the team STRONGER this goes against CG's stated goals of ensuring undergeared characters don't create a situation where the team is stronger with less gear. Is this enough to make a case for link ignoring taunt all the time? I just don't see how that one this was "deemed too strong" by the devs. you have multiple times with Rey and Kylo can go virtually damage immune for a few turns in a row but link ignoring taunt is too strong? Alternative to ignoring taunt could be link acts as a dispel and a buff block. JML with his locked taunt woudn't be affected but it would allow SEE and team to ignore that tank so they can build ultimate at least.
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  • RAYRAY
    2753 posts Member
    AlexanderG wrote: »
    RAYRAY wrote: »
    I went 4/4 in DSTB but so what? one additional wave that could be reliably gotten without SEE.

    I'm not arguing with you. If SEE's "thing" is a reliable 4 / 4 in TB then that's a truly poor return on the investment to get him.

    I know it came across that way but I didn't mean it that way. I should have used a more agreeable tone:)
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  • dgree
    274 posts Member
    The sad thing is that Ahnald barely survived and... is that even one of the tougher final enemies in 4/4 TB? "I guess it's something though," as we say whenever SEE doesn't just pull the plug on himself.

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  • Id love it if beating kylo wasnt so **** hard. Maybe buff him to the point where he can beat Kylo reliably but still get blown away by him on defense?
    How you would go about that im not sure, maybe a MAUL TOUCHUP (COUGH COUGH) to his unique in some way to make it so see himself doesn’t necessarily get better, but the team as a whole gets better
  • dgree
    274 posts Member
    I've been keeping an eye on the conversation around SEE. Next step is for us to continue monitoring and collect some data around his performance in the wild. Can't say at this time any changes will result, but it's a step in the process to help us determine what, if anything, happens going forward.

    Point is, you're being heard.
    Appreciate the update, even if it's not the statement on SEE's elusive value that I was hoping for.
  • I've been keeping an eye on the conversation around SEE. Next step is for us to continue monitoring and collect some data around his performance in the wild. Can't say at this time any changes will result, but it's a step in the process to help us determine what, if anything, happens going forward.

    Point is, you're being heard.

    Good to hear.
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