As the trailer for TLJ as well as the ongoing story with Star Wars Rebels draws comparisons between light and dark towards a grey balance - it is interesting if Rey finds and keeps Anakin/Luke's old lightsaber, while finding and carrying Darth Plagues' lightsaber staff at the same time - only the latter is hidden by what it truly is.
Its an interesting theory to say the least and seems quite plausible.
Lmao at people trying to apply consistent rules to the star wars universe. This ain’t Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings where the story is in service of the world. Star Wars was built on self contained adventures in space with likable characters. The “universe” was retroactive and only exists because of the fans.
When it comes to Star Wars, writing a thousand word essay over some throwaway line because it introduces a minor inconsistency in the canon is as pointless as pointing out the scientific flaws. Cause guess what? That ain’t the point. And if something like rigid rules in your franchise’s universe is what engages you with the story, then Star Wars probably isn’t for you.
TL;DR: In Star Wars, the world is built around the story, not the other way around
This is true to some extent.
But the story and lore of the star wars universe has created rules.
What is the point and purpose of the prophecy of the chosen one and how powerful Anakin was - if Rey can come along without reason and destroy the loved story from fans which are episodes 1-6, completely disregarding Anakin and Vader's power of the force through Rey.
Also same can be said for Snoke (if he is not Plagueis or has some other logical and credible backstory) if he just pops out of nowhere and rivals Sidious as a villain - a long established villain from EPs 1-6 including R1.
These instances must be explained or Disney risks the future of this franchise they bought for billions of dollars by disregarding the lore and rules of the galaxy followed by the fans - its bad business and could potentially destroy the franchise.
They have already discredited the EU - much to a lot of fan upset. Personally I didn't care for the EU. It was cheap stories Lucas signed off on so he didn't have to make more movies - it was an easy cash grab and a lot of the EU was utter nonsense. But these precedents and rules I am talking about are set in the movies - which are unchangeable and not easily discredited as the EU was. Disney changing that as well as abandoning the EU could destroy the fan base of the franchise in a way that is not repairable.
This makes no sense considering the effort Disney has made to specifically appease fans while creating a new generation of fans.
Lord of the Rings as well as Game of Thrones are based on books and have to at least roughly follow those books. Star Wars is based on a script and can change, but at the risk of destroying a franchise by upsetting long-standing fans where certain precedents of the galactic star wars lore and rules have already been set.
This is an interesting post re: light or dark is bad - gray is the way forward as per the Will of the Force, learned by Luke and Snoke alike.
If either light or dark is in power the force will strike back to balance itself, as Jedi were in power, then the Empire, then Luke redeeming the Jedi and now the Firs Order. The only way to stop constant galactic turmoil is in balance - gray, which is why the jedi way should end, as Luke puts it.
It is stated that Plagueis was also aware of this concept - which helps to feed the theory that perhaps Plagueis did leave the sith in search of a higher power through the use of both dark and light - gray.
Its a bit long of a video, but if you have time, it is a little interesting.
This is an interesting post re: light or dark is bad - gray is the way forward as per the Will of the Force, learned by Luke and Snoke alike.
If either light or dark is in power the force will strike back to balance itself, as Jedi were in power, then the Empire, then Luke redeeming the Jedi and now the Firs Order. The only way to stop constant galactic turmoil is in balance - gray, which is why the jedi way should end, as Luke puts it.
It is stated that Plagueis was also aware of this concept - which helps to feed the theory that perhaps Plagueis did leave the sith in search of a higher power through the use of both dark and light - gray.
Its a bit long of a video, but if you have time, it is a little interesting.
There is an EU book titled Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void by Tim Lebbon. It tells about the origin of the Jedi and their original view on the whole light/dark thing.
"Observing the world around them, they saw two moons in the one sky—light Ashla and dark Bogan—and they understood the dual aspects to the Force, light and dark. The light defined the dark as the dark did the light. When balance was not maintained, Tython reacted to the imbalance with severe storms and quakes. And so the travelers defined themselves, ever seeking a balance. They became the Je'daii, a Dai Bendu term meaning "mystic center." Only through the harmony of balance could the Je'daii maintain a peaceful world."
―Ketu
Notice: Bendu has been introduced into cannon
I can't find the source but the Je'daii viewed the force as three aspects, not two. Ashla-light, Bogan-dark, and Bendu-balance. Also, the Clone Wars introduced Father-balance, Son-dark, and Daughter-light. Again, 3 aspects of the force. I think you are correct and this is the direction the story is going.
Found It
The Je'daii Order was an ancient organization unified by its belief and observance of the Force on the planet Tython, in the galaxy's Deep Core. Focusing on maintaining a balance in the Force, a state at which Tython was itself hospitable, the Je'daii saw the Force as three aspects of a whole; the Ashla (light), the Bogan (Dark), and the Bendu (balance). They saw this duality in the Force represented in the night sky of Tython in the form of two natural satellites; one bathed in light, the Ashla, another shrouded in darkness, the Bogan. In keeping with their view of balance, Je'daii who fell too far to either the light or dark were exiled to the opposite moon to meditate until they returned to balance.
linkstarwars.wikia.com/wiki/Je%27daii_Order
Like you say the character "Bendu" was introduced in Star Wars Rebels.
This is clearly the direction the new trilogy is headed.
I have always thought that plagueis may have left the sith to study the light and indeed the force in all its aspects (Bendu) to gain more power for himself. In order to leave the sith "alive" he would have to ensure his student, Sidious, were to believe he was dead.
Once he had left the sith, he could no longer be considered a "Sith Lord" and therefore not interrupting the continued cycle of the sith's Rule of 2, but more importantly he could no longer go by his anointed "sith name" Darth Plagueis - so what would he have called himself?
S - sith
N - no
O - one
K - knew
E - existed
I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but this Snoke/Plagueis thing makes too much sense on so many different levels.
(But my prediction is snoke is a "new" character that steals EU character like they did with Rey and Kylo stealing Jacen Solo and Jaina Solo character ideas but change various details)
Talzin is not a "very new character" as per Serkis - she has been very much introduced and recognized by the fan base. Not to mention she is a "SHE" and Snoke is clearly a "HE".
Although Plagueis is mentioned by Sidious - he is still very mysterious and has not made an appearance in Star Wars (cannon) - therefore if Snoke does turn out to be Plagueis - he is still a "very new character" to the franchise.
Talzin is not a "very new character" as per Serkis - she has been very much introduced and recognized by the fan base. Not to mention she is a "SHE" and Snoke is clearly a "HE".
Although Plagueis is mentioned by Sidious - he is still very mysterious and has not made an appearance in Star Wars (cannon) - therefore if Snoke does turn out to be Plagueis - he is still a "very new character" to the franchise.
And Talzin is dead in canon, killed in the canon comics. Granted, the dead have risen before but Snoke doesn't seem like a previously seen character. He could be an ex Sith other than Plagueis or an ex Jedi even but more likely he is as Serous said someone completely new.
"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...mostly"
Most likely someone other than Plagueis for one sole reason, money. If they used Plagueis, every dollar that they make would have to be shared with the writer of that book and to Lucas. They could outright pay for sole rights to the character, but it would be Much cheaper, to create a new character. And MUCH more profitable to write their own Snoke spin off stories that would go in whatever direction they want.
Snoke won’t be Plagueis, cuz Disney/Money, but really, In a perfect world, Snoke should be Plagueis
Most likely someone other than Plagueis for one sole reason, money. If they used Plagueis, every dollar that they make would have to be shared with the writer of that book and to Lucas. They could outright pay for sole rights to the character, but it would be Much cheaper, to create a new character. And MUCH more profitable to write their own Snoke spin off stories that would go in whatever direction they want.
Snoke won’t be Plagueis, cuz Disney/Money, but really, In a perfect world, Snoke should be Plagueis
Not true - Disney have bought the rights to Star Wars - including characters. They even had the power to make the entire EU redundant.
The author of the novel "Darth Plagueis" got access to the right of that character via Lucas and does not own any right to that character - Disney does now - they can do anything they want, including re-writing everything about that character - except Darth Sidious' story of events - which tie in perfectly to the Snoke ID theory.
Most likely someone other than Plagueis for one sole reason, money. If they used Plagueis, every dollar that they make would have to be shared with the writer of that book and to Lucas. They could outright pay for sole rights to the character, but it would be Much cheaper, to create a new character. And MUCH more profitable to write their own Snoke spin off stories that would go in whatever direction they want.
Snoke won’t be Plagueis, cuz Disney/Money, but really, In a perfect world, Snoke should be Plagueis
Not true - Disney have bought the rights to Star Wars - including characters. They even had the power to make the entire EU redundant.
The author of the novel "Darth Plagueis" got access to the right of that character via Lucas and does not own any right to that character - Disney does now - they can do anything they want, including re-writing everything about that character - except Darth Sidious' story of events - which tie in perfectly to the Snoke ID theory.
Disney’s deal with Lucas is that they have to pay him extra royalties whenever they use his characters. Not sure about that authors deal, but I’m sure he’d get a piece of that pie in the same way
Lmao at people trying to apply consistent rules to the star wars universe. This ain’t Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings where the story is in service of the world. Star Wars was built on self contained adventures in space with likable characters. The “universe” was retroactive and only exists because of the fans.
When it comes to Star Wars, writing a thousand word essay over some throwaway line because it introduces a minor inconsistency in the canon is as pointless as pointing out the scientific flaws. Cause guess what? That ain’t the point. And if something like rigid rules in your franchise’s universe is what engages you with the story, then Star Wars probably isn’t for you.
TL;DR: In Star Wars, the world is built around the story, not the other way around
This is true to some extent.
But the story and lore of the star wars universe has created rules.
What is the point and purpose of the prophecy of the chosen one and how powerful Anakin was - if Rey can come along without reason and destroy the loved story from fans which are episodes 1-6, completely disregarding Anakin and Vader's power of the force through Rey.
Also same can be said for Snoke (if he is not Plagueis or has some other logical and credible backstory) if he just pops out of nowhere and rivals Sidious as a villain - a long established villain from EPs 1-6 including R1.
These instances must be explained or Disney risks the future of this franchise they bought for billions of dollars by disregarding the lore and rules of the galaxy followed by the fans - its bad business and could potentially destroy the franchise.
They have already discredited the EU - much to a lot of fan upset. Personally I didn't care for the EU. It was cheap stories Lucas signed off on so he didn't have to make more movies - it was an easy cash grab and a lot of the EU was utter nonsense. But these precedents and rules I am talking about are set in the movies - which are unchangeable and not easily discredited as the EU was. Disney changing that as well as abandoning the EU could destroy the fan base of the franchise in a way that is not repairable.
This makes no sense considering the effort Disney has made to specifically appease fans while creating a new generation of fans.
Lord of the Rings as well as Game of Thrones are based on books and have to at least roughly follow those books. Star Wars is based on a script and can change, but at the risk of destroying a franchise by upsetting long-standing fans where certain precedents of the galactic star wars lore and rules have already been set.
As admirable as your position is, i believe you have some fundamental misconceptions about public audiences, Lucasfilm/Disney’s goals, and the film industry.
Disney/Lucasfilm’s intended audience is everyone. They will produce a film that appeals to the largest common denominator, not to the portion of hard core fans who enjoy the prequels or the EU for the rules and lore they establish. Despite what you hear on star wars forums, most people dont like the prequels. If you dont believe me, look at both audience and critic reviews (i know ratings like rotten tomatoes and metacritic aren’t always the best indicator of quality, but they effectively aggregate piblic response to a film). For the majority of audiences, TFA was a return to the Star Wars they remember, and in that respect, LF/D accomplished their goal.
Most likely someone other than Plagueis for one sole reason, money. If they used Plagueis, every dollar that they make would have to be shared with the writer of that book and to Lucas. They could outright pay for sole rights to the character, but it would be Much cheaper, to create a new character. And MUCH more profitable to write their own Snoke spin off stories that would go in whatever direction they want.
Snoke won’t be Plagueis, cuz Disney/Money, but really, In a perfect world, Snoke should be Plagueis
But didnt Lucas come up with the character for ep 3?
Which character for episode 3? Of course Disney HAS to use some of Lucas’ characters, Star Wars fans would have a fit otherwise. But it’s expensive, so they’re doing their best to transition in entirely new characters while phasing old ones out
Which character for episode 3? Of course Disney HAS to use some of Lucas’ characters, Star Wars fans would have a fit otherwise. But it’s expensive, so they’re doing their best to transition in entirely new characters while phasing old ones out
Why would Lucasfilm pay royalties to the author if the author didn’t invent plagueis?
Which character for episode 3? Of course Disney HAS to use some of Lucas’ characters, Star Wars fans would have a fit otherwise. But it’s expensive, so they’re doing their best to transition in entirely new characters while phasing old ones out
Why would Lucasfilm pay royalties to the author if the author didn’t invent plagueis?
Which character for episode 3? Of course Disney HAS to use some of Lucas’ characters, Star Wars fans would have a fit otherwise. But it’s expensive, so they’re doing their best to transition in entirely new characters while phasing old ones out
Why would Lucasfilm pay royalties to the author if the author didn’t invent plagueis?
What? Authors invent their characters
Oh, cuz it was mentioned in episode 3. I see. Not sure how that would play in copyrights. I’d argue that the mentioning was hardly the creation of a character. But I’m sure the author had to pay Lucas some small fee for that opening. As all authors who use Star Wars as their medium of writing have to
Which character for episode 3? Of course Disney HAS to use some of Lucas’ characters, Star Wars fans would have a fit otherwise. But it’s expensive, so they’re doing their best to transition in entirely new characters while phasing old ones out
Why would Lucasfilm pay royalties to the author if the author didn’t invent plagueis?
What? Authors invent their characters
Oh, cuz it was mentioned in episode 3. I see. Not sure how that would play in copyrights. I’d argue that the mentioning was hardly the creation of a character. But I’m sure the author had to pay Lucas some small fee for that opening. As all authors who use Star Wars as their medium of writing have to
True but with that book now being legends - the only "cannon" thing about him is the story Sidious tells Anakin in ROTS - so the author is out of luck completely.
Which character for episode 3? Of course Disney HAS to use some of Lucas’ characters, Star Wars fans would have a fit otherwise. But it’s expensive, so they’re doing their best to transition in entirely new characters while phasing old ones out
Why would Lucasfilm pay royalties to the author if the author didn’t invent plagueis?
What? Authors invent their characters
Oh, cuz it was mentioned in episode 3. I see. Not sure how that would play in copyrights. I’d argue that the mentioning was hardly the creation of a character. But I’m sure the author had to pay Lucas some small fee for that opening. As all authors who use Star Wars as their medium of writing have to
True but with that book now being legends - the only "cannon" thing about him is the story Sidious tells Anakin in ROTS - so the author is out of luck completely.
Oh that’s right. The author has a deal with Lucas, not Disney. So he is SOL.
Lmao at people trying to apply consistent rules to the star wars universe. This ain’t Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings where the story is in service of the world. Star Wars was built on self contained adventures in space with likable characters. The “universe” was retroactive and only exists because of the fans.
When it comes to Star Wars, writing a thousand word essay over some throwaway line because it introduces a minor inconsistency in the canon is as pointless as pointing out the scientific flaws. Cause guess what? That ain’t the point. And if something like rigid rules in your franchise’s universe is what engages you with the story, then Star Wars probably isn’t for you.
TL;DR: In Star Wars, the world is built around the story, not the other way around
This is true to some extent.
But the story and lore of the star wars universe has created rules.
What is the point and purpose of the prophecy of the chosen one and how powerful Anakin was - if Rey can come along without reason and destroy the loved story from fans which are episodes 1-6, completely disregarding Anakin and Vader's power of the force through Rey.
Also same can be said for Snoke (if he is not Plagueis or has some other logical and credible backstory) if he just pops out of nowhere and rivals Sidious as a villain - a long established villain from EPs 1-6 including R1.
These instances must be explained or Disney risks the future of this franchise they bought for billions of dollars by disregarding the lore and rules of the galaxy followed by the fans - its bad business and could potentially destroy the franchise.
They have already discredited the EU - much to a lot of fan upset. Personally I didn't care for the EU. It was cheap stories Lucas signed off on so he didn't have to make more movies - it was an easy cash grab and a lot of the EU was utter nonsense. But these precedents and rules I am talking about are set in the movies - which are unchangeable and not easily discredited as the EU was. Disney changing that as well as abandoning the EU could destroy the fan base of the franchise in a way that is not repairable.
This makes no sense considering the effort Disney has made to specifically appease fans while creating a new generation of fans.
Lord of the Rings as well as Game of Thrones are based on books and have to at least roughly follow those books. Star Wars is based on a script and can change, but at the risk of destroying a franchise by upsetting long-standing fans where certain precedents of the galactic star wars lore and rules have already been set.
As admirable as your position is, i believe you have some fundamental misconceptions about public audiences, Lucasfilm/Disney’s goals, and the film industry.
Disney/Lucasfilm’s intended audience is everyone. They will produce a film that appeals to the largest common denominator, not to the portion of hard core fans who enjoy the prequels or the EU for the rules and lore they establish. Despite what you hear on star wars forums, most people dont like the prequels. If you dont believe me, look at both audience and critic reviews (i know ratings like rotten tomatoes and metacritic aren’t always the best indicator of quality, but they effectively aggregate piblic response to a film). For the majority of audiences, TFA was a return to the Star Wars they remember, and in that respect, LF/D accomplished their goal.
Most likely someone other than Plagueis for one sole reason, money. If they used Plagueis, every dollar that they make would have to be shared with the writer of that book and to Lucas. They could outright pay for sole rights to the character, but it would be Much cheaper, to create a new character. And MUCH more profitable to write their own Snoke spin off stories that would go in whatever direction they want.
Snoke won’t be Plagueis, cuz Disney/Money, but really, In a perfect world, Snoke should be Plagueis
But didnt Lucas come up with the character for ep 3?
Look what happened to the Alien franchise - it was destroyed by studios not putting out the needed money to make a good movie.
Yes Ridley Scott has come back with Promethius and Alien Covenent, which are ok movies at best - mainly because the franchise is hurting so after Alient Resurrection and the AvP movies - which destroyed the franchise.
You can't buy into a well loved franchise and just because you own it think you can do whatever you want and you still keep all the fans happy. Star Wars, if mishandled in such a way, could easily flop. Jar Jar almost did that to E 1 - look how Lucas pretty much just wrote him out of the story after that.
Snoke won't be Plaugus because half the theater would be scratching their head, wondering who that is and why they should care. Disney isn't dumb enough to have Snoke be a tie in to an insignificant backstory mentioned very briefly once in ep.3, just as fan service for the hardcore fans. It's not logical, nor profitable. Snoke needs to be something the casual fan understands without needing a Google search. Snoke will simply be Snoke.
My personal favorite theory is that he is simply a failed student of Luke. Very powerful, turned to the dark side and later returned to recruit/turn Ben.
Snoke won't be Plaugus because half the theater would be scratching their head, wondering who that is and why they should care. Disney isn't dumb enough to have Snoke be a tie in to an insignificant backstory mentioned very briefly once in ep.3, just as fan service for the hardcore fans. It's not logical, nor profitable. Snoke needs to be something the casual fan understands without needing a Google search. Snoke will simply be Snoke.
My personal favorite theory is that he is simply a failed student of Luke. Very powerful, turned to the dark side and later returned to recruit/turn Ben.
That is the most ridiculous theory I have ever heard.
Snoke being just Snoke - would completely undermine the villain that was Darth Sidious - its just kills his character as a villain and his power if Snoke just pops out of the ground like a garden nome - no one knows who snoke is at all. At least people would know who Plagueis is.
But at the end of the day you are likely right - Disney I don't think are clever enough to bridge that gap making snoke be plagueis which is the most logical choice.
Snoke won't be Plaugus because half the theater would be scratching their head, wondering who that is and why they should care. Disney isn't dumb enough to have Snoke be a tie in to an insignificant backstory mentioned very briefly once in ep.3, just as fan service for the hardcore fans. It's not logical, nor profitable. Snoke needs to be something the casual fan understands without needing a Google search. Snoke will simply be Snoke.
My personal favorite theory is that he is simply a failed student of Luke. Very powerful, turned to the dark side and later returned to recruit/turn Ben.
That is the most ridiculous theory I have ever heard.
Snoke being just Snoke - would completely undermine the villain that was Darth Sidious - its just kills his character as a villain and his power if Snoke just pops out of the ground like a garden nome - no one knows who snoke is at all. At least people would know who Plagueis is.
But at the end of the day you are likely right - Disney I don't think are clever enough to bridge that gap making snoke be plagueis which is the most logical choice.
How does he undermine Sidious? Did Bane undermine Joker in Dark Knight Rises just because he has no tie to him? No, he was simply the next villain. That's how it works. A tie in to Sidious honestly just seems desperate to me. Why must he relate to him in any way?
I don't know why people keep talking plageius. Lucasfilm story group has said multiple times for over a year that snoke is not plageius and that snoke is an "original" character.
Pablo hidalgo is the current lead writer/ executive whatever for the lucasfilm story group that decides what is canon. Incidentally he began working on Star Wars during episode 3, which is where plageius legend began.
Lmao at people trying to apply consistent rules to the star wars universe. This ain’t Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings where the story is in service of the world. Star Wars was built on self contained adventures in space with likable characters. The “universe” was retroactive and only exists because of the fans.
When it comes to Star Wars, writing a thousand word essay over some throwaway line because it introduces a minor inconsistency in the canon is as pointless as pointing out the scientific flaws. Cause guess what? That ain’t the point. And if something like rigid rules in your franchise’s universe is what engages you with the story, then Star Wars probably isn’t for you.
TL;DR: In Star Wars, the world is built around the story, not the other way around
This is true to some extent.
But the story and lore of the star wars universe has created rules.
What is the point and purpose of the prophecy of the chosen one and how powerful Anakin was - if Rey can come along without reason and destroy the loved story from fans which are episodes 1-6, completely disregarding Anakin and Vader's power of the force through Rey.
Also same can be said for Snoke (if he is not Plagueis or has some other logical and credible backstory) if he just pops out of nowhere and rivals Sidious as a villain - a long established villain from EPs 1-6 including R1.
These instances must be explained or Disney risks the future of this franchise they bought for billions of dollars by disregarding the lore and rules of the galaxy followed by the fans - its bad business and could potentially destroy the franchise.
They have already discredited the EU - much to a lot of fan upset. Personally I didn't care for the EU. It was cheap stories Lucas signed off on so he didn't have to make more movies - it was an easy cash grab and a lot of the EU was utter nonsense. But these precedents and rules I am talking about are set in the movies - which are unchangeable and not easily discredited as the EU was. Disney changing that as well as abandoning the EU could destroy the fan base of the franchise in a way that is not repairable.
This makes no sense considering the effort Disney has made to specifically appease fans while creating a new generation of fans.
Lord of the Rings as well as Game of Thrones are based on books and have to at least roughly follow those books. Star Wars is based on a script and can change, but at the risk of destroying a franchise by upsetting long-standing fans where certain precedents of the galactic star wars lore and rules have already been set.
As admirable as your position is, i believe you have some fundamental misconceptions about public audiences, Lucasfilm/Disney’s goals, and the film industry.
Disney/Lucasfilm’s intended audience is everyone. They will produce a film that appeals to the largest common denominator, not to the portion of hard core fans who enjoy the prequels or the EU for the rules and lore they establish. Despite what you hear on star wars forums, most people dont like the prequels. If you dont believe me, look at both audience and critic reviews (i know ratings like rotten tomatoes and metacritic aren’t always the best indicator of quality, but they effectively aggregate piblic response to a film). For the majority of audiences, TFA was a return to the Star Wars they remember, and in that respect, LF/D accomplished their goal.
Most likely someone other than Plagueis for one sole reason, money. If they used Plagueis, every dollar that they make would have to be shared with the writer of that book and to Lucas. They could outright pay for sole rights to the character, but it would be Much cheaper, to create a new character. And MUCH more profitable to write their own Snoke spin off stories that would go in whatever direction they want.
Snoke won’t be Plagueis, cuz Disney/Money, but really, In a perfect world, Snoke should be Plagueis
But didnt Lucas come up with the character for ep 3?
U have got to stop a lot Of people liked and still like the prequels. Retreading the ot like the did was not to get away from them but more likely to bridge the gap to trying to go to the future. Also every movie made intended audience is everybody they don't spend that money for nothing. I hope this movie is great as for snoke identity from the trailer of snoke appearing to suck the life out of rey I guessing my ex wife. Hope u guys enjoy the movie and will be checking out the forum to see what u guy thought. It all love datboi I'm going to win u over to the prequels love yet
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IG-88 was a recycled coffee pot from episode 4
But I think this staff is important.
As the trailer for TLJ as well as the ongoing story with Star Wars Rebels draws comparisons between light and dark towards a grey balance - it is interesting if Rey finds and keeps Anakin/Luke's old lightsaber, while finding and carrying Darth Plagues' lightsaber staff at the same time - only the latter is hidden by what it truly is.
Its an interesting theory to say the least and seems quite plausible.
This is true to some extent.
But the story and lore of the star wars universe has created rules.
What is the point and purpose of the prophecy of the chosen one and how powerful Anakin was - if Rey can come along without reason and destroy the loved story from fans which are episodes 1-6, completely disregarding Anakin and Vader's power of the force through Rey.
Also same can be said for Snoke (if he is not Plagueis or has some other logical and credible backstory) if he just pops out of nowhere and rivals Sidious as a villain - a long established villain from EPs 1-6 including R1.
These instances must be explained or Disney risks the future of this franchise they bought for billions of dollars by disregarding the lore and rules of the galaxy followed by the fans - its bad business and could potentially destroy the franchise.
They have already discredited the EU - much to a lot of fan upset. Personally I didn't care for the EU. It was cheap stories Lucas signed off on so he didn't have to make more movies - it was an easy cash grab and a lot of the EU was utter nonsense. But these precedents and rules I am talking about are set in the movies - which are unchangeable and not easily discredited as the EU was. Disney changing that as well as abandoning the EU could destroy the fan base of the franchise in a way that is not repairable.
This makes no sense considering the effort Disney has made to specifically appease fans while creating a new generation of fans.
Lord of the Rings as well as Game of Thrones are based on books and have to at least roughly follow those books. Star Wars is based on a script and can change, but at the risk of destroying a franchise by upsetting long-standing fans where certain precedents of the galactic star wars lore and rules have already been set.
If either light or dark is in power the force will strike back to balance itself, as Jedi were in power, then the Empire, then Luke redeeming the Jedi and now the Firs Order. The only way to stop constant galactic turmoil is in balance - gray, which is why the jedi way should end, as Luke puts it.
It is stated that Plagueis was also aware of this concept - which helps to feed the theory that perhaps Plagueis did leave the sith in search of a higher power through the use of both dark and light - gray.
Its a bit long of a video, but if you have time, it is a little interesting.
There is an EU book titled Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void by Tim Lebbon. It tells about the origin of the Jedi and their original view on the whole light/dark thing.
"Observing the world around them, they saw two moons in the one sky—light Ashla and dark Bogan—and they understood the dual aspects to the Force, light and dark. The light defined the dark as the dark did the light. When balance was not maintained, Tython reacted to the imbalance with severe storms and quakes. And so the travelers defined themselves, ever seeking a balance. They became the Je'daii, a Dai Bendu term meaning "mystic center." Only through the harmony of balance could the Je'daii maintain a peaceful world."
―Ketu
Notice: Bendu has been introduced into cannon
I can't find the source but the Je'daii viewed the force as three aspects, not two. Ashla-light, Bogan-dark, and Bendu-balance. Also, the Clone Wars introduced Father-balance, Son-dark, and Daughter-light. Again, 3 aspects of the force. I think you are correct and this is the direction the story is going.
The Je'daii Order was an ancient organization unified by its belief and observance of the Force on the planet Tython, in the galaxy's Deep Core. Focusing on maintaining a balance in the Force, a state at which Tython was itself hospitable, the Je'daii saw the Force as three aspects of a whole; the Ashla (light), the Bogan (Dark), and the Bendu (balance). They saw this duality in the Force represented in the night sky of Tython in the form of two natural satellites; one bathed in light, the Ashla, another shrouded in darkness, the Bogan. In keeping with their view of balance, Je'daii who fell too far to either the light or dark were exiled to the opposite moon to meditate until they returned to balance.
linkstarwars.wikia.com/wiki/Je%27daii_Order
This is clearly the direction the new trilogy is headed.
I have always thought that plagueis may have left the sith to study the light and indeed the force in all its aspects (Bendu) to gain more power for himself. In order to leave the sith "alive" he would have to ensure his student, Sidious, were to believe he was dead.
Once he had left the sith, he could no longer be considered a "Sith Lord" and therefore not interrupting the continued cycle of the sith's Rule of 2, but more importantly he could no longer go by his anointed "sith name" Darth Plagueis - so what would he have called himself?
S - sith
N - no
O - one
K - knew
E - existed
I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but this Snoke/Plagueis thing makes too much sense on so many different levels.
(But my prediction is snoke is a "new" character that steals EU character like they did with Rey and Kylo stealing Jacen Solo and Jaina Solo character ideas but change various details)
Although Plagueis is mentioned by Sidious - he is still very mysterious and has not made an appearance in Star Wars (cannon) - therefore if Snoke does turn out to be Plagueis - he is still a "very new character" to the franchise.
And Talzin is dead in canon, killed in the canon comics. Granted, the dead have risen before but Snoke doesn't seem like a previously seen character. He could be an ex Sith other than Plagueis or an ex Jedi even but more likely he is as Serous said someone completely new.
Snoke won’t be Plagueis, cuz Disney/Money, but really, In a perfect world, Snoke should be Plagueis
Not true - Disney have bought the rights to Star Wars - including characters. They even had the power to make the entire EU redundant.
The author of the novel "Darth Plagueis" got access to the right of that character via Lucas and does not own any right to that character - Disney does now - they can do anything they want, including re-writing everything about that character - except Darth Sidious' story of events - which tie in perfectly to the Snoke ID theory.
Disney’s deal with Lucas is that they have to pay him extra royalties whenever they use his characters. Not sure about that authors deal, but I’m sure he’d get a piece of that pie in the same way
As admirable as your position is, i believe you have some fundamental misconceptions about public audiences, Lucasfilm/Disney’s goals, and the film industry.
Disney/Lucasfilm’s intended audience is everyone. They will produce a film that appeals to the largest common denominator, not to the portion of hard core fans who enjoy the prequels or the EU for the rules and lore they establish. Despite what you hear on star wars forums, most people dont like the prequels. If you dont believe me, look at both audience and critic reviews (i know ratings like rotten tomatoes and metacritic aren’t always the best indicator of quality, but they effectively aggregate piblic response to a film). For the majority of audiences, TFA was a return to the Star Wars they remember, and in that respect, LF/D accomplished their goal.
But didnt Lucas come up with the character for ep 3?
Why would Lucasfilm pay royalties to the author if the author didn’t invent plagueis?
What? Authors invent their characters
Oh, cuz it was mentioned in episode 3. I see. Not sure how that would play in copyrights. I’d argue that the mentioning was hardly the creation of a character. But I’m sure the author had to pay Lucas some small fee for that opening. As all authors who use Star Wars as their medium of writing have to
True but with that book now being legends - the only "cannon" thing about him is the story Sidious tells Anakin in ROTS - so the author is out of luck completely.
Oh that’s right. The author has a deal with Lucas, not Disney. So he is SOL.
Look what happened to the Alien franchise - it was destroyed by studios not putting out the needed money to make a good movie.
Yes Ridley Scott has come back with Promethius and Alien Covenent, which are ok movies at best - mainly because the franchise is hurting so after Alient Resurrection and the AvP movies - which destroyed the franchise.
You can't buy into a well loved franchise and just because you own it think you can do whatever you want and you still keep all the fans happy. Star Wars, if mishandled in such a way, could easily flop. Jar Jar almost did that to E 1 - look how Lucas pretty much just wrote him out of the story after that.
My personal favorite theory is that he is simply a failed student of Luke. Very powerful, turned to the dark side and later returned to recruit/turn Ben.
That is the most ridiculous theory I have ever heard.
Snoke being just Snoke - would completely undermine the villain that was Darth Sidious - its just kills his character as a villain and his power if Snoke just pops out of the ground like a garden nome - no one knows who snoke is at all. At least people would know who Plagueis is.
But at the end of the day you are likely right - Disney I don't think are clever enough to bridge that gap making snoke be plagueis which is the most logical choice.
How does he undermine Sidious? Did Bane undermine Joker in Dark Knight Rises just because he has no tie to him? No, he was simply the next villain. That's how it works. A tie in to Sidious honestly just seems desperate to me. Why must he relate to him in any way?
I don't know why people keep talking plageius. Lucasfilm story group has said multiple times for over a year that snoke is not plageius and that snoke is an "original" character.
https://mobile.twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/726597973619015681
Pablo hidalgo is the current lead writer/ executive whatever for the lucasfilm story group that decides what is canon. Incidentally he began working on Star Wars during episode 3, which is where plageius legend began.
https://movieweb.com/star-wars-force-awakens-snoke-darth-plagueis-andy-serkis/
I was being tongue in cheek about Talzin, except for saying they may steal part of the story
People have been speculating on this "machine" in snokes throne room
It loolks a lot like Talzin's machine in that video I posted
U have got to stop a lot Of people liked and still like the prequels. Retreading the ot like the did was not to get away from them but more likely to bridge the gap to trying to go to the future. Also every movie made intended audience is everybody they don't spend that money for nothing. I hope this movie is great as for snoke identity from the trailer of snoke appearing to suck the life out of rey I guessing my ex wife. Hope u guys enjoy the movie and will be checking out the forum to see what u guy thought. It all love datboi I'm going to win u over to the prequels love yet