Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
The arena style mode doesn't reward a developed fleet roster, just having a single meta fleet and/or lucky placement in a good (inactive or cooperative) shard. Those people could have every other fleet well developed and win a roster wide fleet matchup, but lacking one fleet or being in an awful shard shouldn't kill income.
It would be good for someone like me who works shifts and can only get on at payout 1 week of every 3. That makes me a ‘casual’ and non-deserving of crystals apparently. But in all seriousness I wouldn’t move them. I don’t think there’s anywhere to move them to other than gac and there’s plenty there already.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
The arena style mode doesn't reward a developed fleet roster, just having a single meta fleet and/or lucky placement in a good (inactive or cooperative) shard. Those people could have every other fleet well developed and win a roster wide fleet matchup, but lacking one fleet or being in an awful shard shouldn't kill income.
If you have played the game for any amount of time and worked to keep up with the Meta then you have a developed fleet roster...
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
This is why CG should remove the crystals from the fleet too, be a good little dog and ask us to let you in our little club or we will do everything we can to not let you climb. Players just ganging up on others, its a competitive game everyone is out for themselves but these people are ganging up, in any other game you all would get banned lol 😆 imagine queuing for a solo BR game to see 10 people working together, all 10 would get banned in the same day
Exactly. The shard mafia are the most unfair aspect of this entire game.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Nah. Rewards just need moved to a mode where people can't game the system against other players by breaking TOS. Or CG needs to crack down on people breaking TOS in that mode.
I agree. Additionally if CG would ban some of the mafia breaking the TOS, then this despicable behavior would stop.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
7* profundity and get locked out of top 20 by a mafia that has been harassing me for 7 months. Why should I be short 350 crystals daily?
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
7* profundity and get locked out of top 20 by a mafia that has been harassing me for 7 months. Why should I be short 350 crystals daily?
I don't think you should.... Sounds like you have a really crummy shard
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Yes, multiple times to various players.
And I. This shard, there is no difference in fleet quality between top 10, top 20, top 50 and many in top 100. Just who is part of the mafia.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
More like how far down the mafia will chain you if you try to climb.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
True, fleet shards done right can help everyone. It’s just as prone to abuse as everything else unfortunately.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
This.
Open your own shard chat with others whom are affected and you will see how fast they will realise they made a mistake by trying to shut out others.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
This.
Open your own shard chat with others whom are affected and you will see how fast they will realise they made a mistake by trying to shut out others.
Suggesting players break TOS in order to earn fleet rewards is close to being on the same level as telling people to cheat in PvE modes to earn extra rewards.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
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And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
The arena style mode doesn't reward a developed fleet roster, just having a single meta fleet and/or lucky placement in a good (inactive or cooperative) shard. Those people could have every other fleet well developed and win a roster wide fleet matchup, but lacking one fleet or being in an awful shard shouldn't kill income.
If you have played the game for any amount of time and worked to keep up with the Meta then you have a developed fleet roster...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Exactly. The shard mafia are the most unfair aspect of this entire game.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
I agree. Additionally if CG would ban some of the mafia breaking the TOS, then this despicable behavior would stop.
7* profundity and get locked out of top 20 by a mafia that has been harassing me for 7 months. Why should I be short 350 crystals daily?
I don't think you should.... Sounds like you have a really crummy shard
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
Yes, multiple times to various players.
And I. This shard, there is no difference in fleet quality between top 10, top 20, top 50 and many in top 100. Just who is part of the mafia.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
More like how far down the mafia will chain you if you try to climb.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
True, fleet shards done right can help everyone. It’s just as prone to abuse as everything else unfortunately.
This.
Open your own shard chat with others whom are affected and you will see how fast they will realise they made a mistake by trying to shut out others.
Suggesting players break TOS in order to earn fleet rewards is close to being on the same level as telling people to cheat in PvE modes to earn extra rewards.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?