Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
You can define it however you want. CG doesn't care.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
Teamwork doesn't break ToS..... Only collusion does... Form a team and get some teamwork going...
Or, alternatively, just come here and waste a bunch of your time complaining about something that has been in the game since day one and isn't going to change... your choice...
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
Teamwork doesn't break ToS..... Only collusion does... Form a team and get some teamwork going...
Or, alternatively, just come here and waste a bunch of your time complaining about something that has been in the game since day one and isn't going to change... your choice...
It's wild that you still don't understand that teaming in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is collusion. But that's probably a defense mechanism because I'm willing to bet you and/or your shard chat have done similar things to others who aren't in the group.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Good for you and your shard.
Note the dates.
Also, again, it's not teamwork if you start harassing others and ganging up on them. It's collusion.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Good for you and your shard.
Note the dates.
Also, again, it's not teamwork if you start harassing others and ganging up on them. It's collusion.
We already know that the Mafia running your shard is kitten. But we also gave you some solutions how you can change that. It's up to you
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
Teamwork doesn't break ToS..... Only collusion does... Form a team and get some teamwork going...
Or, alternatively, just come here and waste a bunch of your time complaining about something that has been in the game since day one and isn't going to change... your choice...
It's wild that you still don't understand that teaming in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is collusion. But that's probably a defense mechanism because I'm willing to bet you and/or your shard chat have done similar things to others who aren't in the group.
1- My shard welcomes EVERYONE that wants to join with open arms... Nobody is shut out, as it should be...
2- Show me where it states that everyone is supposed to be opponents in that game mode?
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
The teamwork is the collusion, because it is organized outside of the game with the express purpose of eliminating competition.
With that being said I agree with the rest of what you said, because in my opinion the collusion isn’t the problem. It’s the exclusion, the bullying, and the chaining. And in a situation where there are no real consequences for those actions, then sometimes you need to step up and be the consequences.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
The teamwork is the collusion, because it is organized outside of the game with the express purpose of eliminating competition.
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Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
The teamwork is the collusion, because it is organized outside of the game with the express purpose of eliminating competition.
.
Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
You mean through the use of an authorized third party database? And how exactly is that organizing a group to not compete in a competitive event?
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
The teamwork is the collusion, because it is organized outside of the game with the express purpose of eliminating competition.
With that being said I agree with the rest of what you said, because in my opinion the collusion isn’t the problem. It’s the exclusion, the bullying, and the chaining. And in a situation where there are no real consequences for those actions, then sometimes you need to step up and be the consequences.
You see the thing is, I understand you. I really do and I can imagine how much it sucks. I hope you will find a way to change it and keep my fingers crossed.
If you decide to do something, I really think your best bet would be to either get the new Meta asap or try to establish a chat with as many others as possible whom might be just as sick and tired of your Mafia as you are.
Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
Ah yes, the old individual that can do all of that in game and formulating counter strategies is definitely the same as 30 people sharing battle timers to the second outside of game, locking players during their climb, and chaining which is wildly unlikely to happen without collusion. How could any of us ever forget?
1- My shard welcomes EVERYONE that wants to join with open arms... Nobody is shut out, as it should be...
2- Show me where it states that everyone is supposed to be opponents in that game mode?
1.) Good for you.
2.) The mode gives out individual rewards, is an individual ladder, has no method of teaming in game, and the actual gameplay is a 1v1 game mode.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
The teamwork is the collusion, because it is organized outside of the game with the express purpose of eliminating competition.
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Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
You mean through the use of an authorized third party database? And how exactly is that organizing a group to not compete in a competitive event?
.gg isn't authorized..... it's completely unofficial.... It's right in their disclaimer...
It's "outside the game" and is certainly used to get a leg up on the competition.... For individuals and for their guilds...
Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
Ah yes, the old individual that can do all of that in game and formulating counter strategies is definitely the same as 30 people sharing battle timers to the second outside of game, locking players during their climb, and chaining which is wildly unlikely to happen without collusion. How could any of us ever forget?
1- My shard welcomes EVERYONE that wants to join with open arms... Nobody is shut out, as it should be...
2- Show me where it states that everyone is supposed to be opponents in that game mode?
1.) Good for you.
2.) The mode gives out individual rewards, is an individual ladder, has no method of teaming in game, and the actual gameplay is a 1v1 game mode.
The mode gives out individual rewards... So do raids (which also have a team component)... What's your point?
Look, you have two choices here... Listen to the people that are trying to help you or continue to complain about something that isn't going to change anytime soon....
Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
Ah yes, the old individual that can do all of that in game and formulating counter strategies is definitely the same as 30 people sharing battle timers to the second outside of game, locking players during their climb, and chaining which is wildly unlikely to happen without collusion. How could any of us ever forget?
1- My shard welcomes EVERYONE that wants to join with open arms... Nobody is shut out, as it should be...
2- Show me where it states that everyone is supposed to be opponents in that game mode?
1.) Good for you.
2.) The mode gives out individual rewards, is an individual ladder, has no method of teaming in game, and the actual gameplay is a 1v1 game mode.
The mode gives out individual rewards... So do raids (which also have a team component)... What's your point?
Look, you have two choices here... Listen to the people that are trying to help you or continue to complain about something that isn't going to change anytime soon....
Raid rewards are guild rewards and we have guilds in game to actually work together towards those objectives. A way to actually team within game for that reward system. Wild. Fleet arena doesn't have that.
.gg isn't authorized..... it's completely unofficial.... It's right in their disclaimer...
It's "outside the game" and is certainly used to get a leg up on the competition.... For individuals and for their guilds...
And gg is allowed. Unofficial, but allowed. They were given GAC data by CG and permission to display it. That's probably something CG wouldn't do if CG didn't want to allow it because, you know, they had to allow it.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
The teamwork is the collusion, because it is organized outside of the game with the express purpose of eliminating competition.
With that being said I agree with the rest of what you said, because in my opinion the collusion isn’t the problem. It’s the exclusion, the bullying, and the chaining. And in a situation where there are no real consequences for those actions, then sometimes you need to step up and be the consequences.
You see the thing is, I understand you. I really do and I can imagine how much it sucks. I hope you will find a way to change it and keep my fingers crossed.
If you decide to do something, I really think your best bet would be to either get the new Meta asap or try to establish a chat with as many others as possible whom might be just as sick and tired of your Mafia as you are.
I appreciate that, but I’m not having an issue personally. And I would handle it personally if I did.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
Ah yes, the old individual that can do all of that in game and formulating counter strategies is definitely the same as 30 people sharing battle timers to the second outside of game, locking players during their climb, and chaining which is wildly unlikely to happen without collusion. How could any of us ever forget?
1- My shard welcomes EVERYONE that wants to join with open arms... Nobody is shut out, as it should be...
2- Show me where it states that everyone is supposed to be opponents in that game mode?
1.) Good for you.
2.) The mode gives out individual rewards, is an individual ladder, has no method of teaming in game, and the actual gameplay is a 1v1 game mode.
The mode gives out individual rewards... So do raids (which also have a team component)... What's your point?
Look, you have two choices here... Listen to the people that are trying to help you or continue to complain about something that isn't going to change anytime soon....
Raid rewards are guild rewards and we have guilds in game to actually work together towards those objectives. A way to actually team within game for that reward system. Wild. Fleet arena doesn't have that.
.gg isn't authorized..... it's completely unofficial.... It's right in their disclaimer...
It's "outside the game" and is certainly used to get a leg up on the competition.... For individuals and for their guilds...
And gg is allowed. Unofficial, but allowed. They were given GAC data by CG and permission to display it. That's probably something CG wouldn't do if CG didn't want to allow it because, you know, they had to allow it.
Honestly @iMalevolence .... at this point, since you just want to argue semantics in spite of your fellow players trying to help you, here is a link to the EA website where you can air your grievances and tell EA all about the breach of ToS you feel is happening here.... While I don't agree with you, it's your right as a player to use it... good luck...
Honestly @iMalevolence .... at this point, since you just want to argue semantics in spite of your fellow players trying to help you, here is a link to the EA website where you can air your grievances and tell EA all about the breach of ToS you feel is happening here.... While I don't agree with you, it's your right as a player to use it... good luck...
Your attempt to help is suggesting something that players shouldn't do. Your attempt to help should be joining the other voices in asking CG to fix the underlying problem. CG resolved the issue once for squad arena. They can do it again for fleet arena.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Good for you and your shard.
Note the dates.
Also, again, it's not teamwork if you start harassing others and ganging up on them. It's collusion.
We already know that the Mafia running your shard is ****. But we also gave you some solutions how you can change that. It's up to you
It is up to CG to ensure mafia like this are not in the game.
Honestly @iMalevolence .... at this point, since you just want to argue semantics in spite of your fellow players trying to help you, here is a link to the EA website where you can air your grievances and tell EA all about the breach of ToS you feel is happening here.... While I don't agree with you, it's your right as a player to use it... good luck...
Your attempt to help is suggesting something that players shouldn't do. Your attempt to help should be joining the other voices in asking CG to fix the underlying problem. CG resolved the issue once for squad arena. They can do it again for fleet arena.
That is the solution we need. If there is no way to prevent shard mafia, then there should be no crystals in fleet arena.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Good for you and your shard.
Note the dates.
Also, again, it's not teamwork if you start harassing others and ganging up on them. It's collusion.
We already know that the Mafia running your shard is ****. But we also gave you some solutions how you can change that. It's up to you
It is up to CG to ensure mafia like this are not in the game.
Since they don't and never have, I guess we can all agree it's not actually against the TOS.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Good for you and your shard.
Note the dates.
Also, again, it's not teamwork if you start harassing others and ganging up on them. It's collusion.
We already know that the Mafia running your shard is ****. But we also gave you some solutions how you can change that. It's up to you
It is up to CG to ensure mafia like this are not in the game.
Since they don't and never have, I guess we can all agree it's not actually against the TOS.
No. They did fix arena mafia by removing crystals. That solution worked so well they should do it to fleet as well.
Meh fleet should get the same treatment as arena. Remove the crystals from players hand and give it back to CG. Works pretty good for 99% of the player base
Where do you get 99% from?
The ONLY players better off with crystals in GAC rather than Arena are the few who are in K1. The rest of us are worse off since the changes
I get way more crystals in GAC than I ever got in Squad arena or Fleet Arena. My daily payout for GAC crushes the the daily 50 to 100 Crystals I got daily in Squad depending on how I climbed each day. And I am nowhere near Kyber. Only people who got hosed are the top 10 or so people in each shard while the other few thousand in the shard started getting an appreciable crystal income from GAC.
And how many of those "few thousand" actually do anything or did anything?
A good shard that is inclusive helps anyone that is capable of reaching the top spots.... If you are floundering around in ship arena not even cracking top 50 then you likely have junk ships and don't deserve anything more than the pity crystals CG already gives you...
I flounder around top 50 and have Profundity. Many of the original shards are highly competitive even now and come with restrictive mafia.
Top 50 doesn't say much.....
Depends on the activity of the shard. Whenever I push I to top 20, I quickly get chained down.
20 is very different than 50...Have you tried reaching out to them?
Except it's not. Because 21-50 is the exact same payout. And getting pushed out of top 20 by a shard that behaves like that means you might as well be 50th.
I didn't mean in terms of crystal amounts, I meant in terms of how far up a player is capable of climbing.....
Is that relevant? A group of 20 players can game the system to screw the rest of the shard out of 350 crystals per day.
You are being overly dramatic...There is only a small portion of players in any given shard that will either be capable of, or have enough ambition to climb into the top 20....
Again, I don't condone 20 people controlling the payouts at the top and not welcoming everyone that is capable of and willing to get there.... If this is the case in your shard, I would take the initiative to start contacting people you see that are being affected by it and just overthrow them....
My shard has a lot of active players that climb regularly and try to push into the top 50. The top 30 is held pretty tight. Getting into the top 20 gets me knocked out almost instantly by the same 5-10 people. CG allows these people to break TOS with no repercussions. Collusion is anti-competitive behavior. Every 3 months is ~$200 in progression that is lost. Since I got Profundity, that's roughly ~$500 worth of progression.
Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?
Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh
So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?
Please explain what 'casuals' means.
People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.
Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.
Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.
If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.
Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.
Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother
I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else
I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.
If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.
You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.
That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.
What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .
I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.
Seems pretty messed up.
They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.
That is wrong. The mafia may think it is their payout but it is not theirs. I wish CG would hand out bans for mafia who gang up on other players.
I wish CG would hand out bans for players that don't pay any attention to payouts at all, fortunately CG doesn't listen to either of us.
What makes it collusion is the non-competitive part of the agreement.
Not sure why competing would deserve a ban under the ToS, other than a personal reason.
well yeah
unfortunately being annoying in the game and making me sit on my phone for 30 minutes hoping you don't hit me even though your payout isn't for 10 hours isn't technically against the rules
Yeah, but colluding against others and chaining as a result of that is against the rules. If one individual wants to be a ****, sure, whatever. If a group of people do it, then it's bad.
Banding together with others in competition is called teamwork, not collusion... teamwork doesn't break any ToS...
So, as I said earlier, if they won't let you join their team then make a team of your own and beat them at their own game.... That's as true to the spirit of competition as anything else in this game....
Teamwork in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is a bad thing. The group "teaming" is privy to extra information, help in a mode where they should have none, etc. That's wrong. The out group does not have access to any of that information or help and that puts them at a disadvantage, despite being in a position where they could/would do better on even footing. Collusion can be defined as cooperation between ostensible opponents. This is collusion.
They aren't privy to anything that you aren't capable of being privy to... Not sure where you get that from...
Again, assemble your "out" group and go to town on them.... Nothing stopping you here except yourself....
And again, suggesting that people break TOS to earn fleet rewards is similar to suggesting people cheat in PvE modes to earn rewards. How about we not? How about CG actually fixes the problem?
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Good for you and your shard.
Note the dates.
Also, again, it's not teamwork if you start harassing others and ganging up on them. It's collusion.
We already know that the Mafia running your shard is ****. But we also gave you some solutions how you can change that. It's up to you
It is up to CG to ensure mafia like this are not in the game.
Since they don't and never have, I guess we can all agree it's not actually against the TOS.
No. They did fix arena mafia by removing crystals. That solution worked so well they should do it to fleet as well.
No. If they did it because of the TOS they would have done both at the same time.
With the Leviathan just around the corner, I can’t see CG taking crystals out of Fleet Arena without a massive outcry unless they make Fleets more important in GAC/TW. Maybe at some point they will, it’s one of the only mass-competitive areas of the game left since the Squad and Raid changes.
Honestly @iMalevolence .... at this point, since you just want to argue semantics in spite of your fellow players trying to help you, here is a link to the EA website where you can air your grievances and tell EA all about the breach of ToS you feel is happening here.... While I don't agree with you, it's your right as a player to use it... good luck...
Your attempt to help is suggesting something that players shouldn't do. Your attempt to help should be joining the other voices in asking CG to fix the underlying problem. CG resolved the issue once for squad arena. They can do it again for fleet arena.
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You can define it however you want. CG doesn't care.
Lol no, it is not.
All I see here is that you expect for CG to "fix" something that you could fix yourself quite easily wirh a much better outcome. CG is not interested in helping the players to get as many crystals as possible. Quite the opposite so you can bet, that whatever they would come up with, would be worse.
I would like to state again that I do not condone people bullying others just to feel superiour and hog rewards, but as said there are ways to solve it.
Edit to add concerning the infos: If you mean payout times, you can use a bot on your server. All you need is the ally code of someone (ise swgoh.gg) and you can add their payout times and even mark them as enemies. Or you can look those up aswell on swgoh.gg
Yes it is. Suggesting someone break TOS is very similar to suggesting someone break TOS.
And the change for rewards moving from squad arena to GAC were an improvement for most people. Doing something similar for fleet arena is needed.
Your way to solve the thing you don't condone is to do the thing you don't condone. "I don't like theft of property, so let me go steal this thing before others steal it."
Teamwork doesn't break ToS..... Only collusion does... Form a team and get some teamwork going...
Or, alternatively, just come here and waste a bunch of your time complaining about something that has been in the game since day one and isn't going to change... your choice...
It's wild that you still don't understand that teaming in a mode where everyone is expected to be opponents is collusion. But that's probably a defense mechanism because I'm willing to bet you and/or your shard chat have done similar things to others who aren't in the group.
In addition to what @BubbaFett said, I don't understand your reasoning here. For example I do not steal from anyone because I work together with the people in my shard so that everyone gets as many crystals as possible, so it's quite the contrary. Everyone is happy with what they get. And with everyone I mean everyone. As I stated before, I always make sure to contact anyone whom might be able to break into top 20-30 and when someone contacts me or someone else from our chat, we also welcome them. Not every shard chat is toxic and it is up to every individual in the shard and/or chat how it is and that is what we're trying to tell you. You have the opportunity to do something, if and what you do, is up to you. If you would follow our advise, I think it wouldn't take long before the Mafia would contact you to work with you, necause sooner or later they would not be happy to have to burn crystals for refreshes just to keep a war going. But even if they would, if there is enough opposition they would not be able to keep the rest of you guys out of top spots. That's the beauty about team work.
Good for you and your shard.
Note the dates.
Also, again, it's not teamwork if you start harassing others and ganging up on them. It's collusion.
We already know that the Mafia running your shard is kitten. But we also gave you some solutions how you can change that. It's up to you
1- My shard welcomes EVERYONE that wants to join with open arms... Nobody is shut out, as it should be...
2- Show me where it states that everyone is supposed to be opponents in that game mode?
The teamwork is the collusion, because it is organized outside of the game with the express purpose of eliminating competition.
With that being said I agree with the rest of what you said, because in my opinion the collusion isn’t the problem. It’s the exclusion, the bullying, and the chaining. And in a situation where there are no real consequences for those actions, then sometimes you need to step up and be the consequences.
Never looked up a GAC opponent or opposing guild on swgoh.gg ?
You mean through the use of an authorized third party database? And how exactly is that organizing a group to not compete in a competitive event?
You see the thing is, I understand you. I really do and I can imagine how much it sucks. I hope you will find a way to change it and keep my fingers crossed.
If you decide to do something, I really think your best bet would be to either get the new Meta asap or try to establish a chat with as many others as possible whom might be just as sick and tired of your Mafia as you are.
Ah yes, the old individual that can do all of that in game and formulating counter strategies is definitely the same as 30 people sharing battle timers to the second outside of game, locking players during their climb, and chaining which is wildly unlikely to happen without collusion. How could any of us ever forget?
Again, your solution is to do the thing you said you don't condone. Why should the players be expected to break TOS to earn rewards?
1.) Good for you.
2.) The mode gives out individual rewards, is an individual ladder, has no method of teaming in game, and the actual gameplay is a 1v1 game mode.
.gg isn't authorized..... it's completely unofficial.... It's right in their disclaimer...
It's "outside the game" and is certainly used to get a leg up on the competition.... For individuals and for their guilds...
The mode gives out individual rewards... So do raids (which also have a team component)... What's your point?
Look, you have two choices here... Listen to the people that are trying to help you or continue to complain about something that isn't going to change anytime soon....
Raid rewards are guild rewards and we have guilds in game to actually work together towards those objectives. A way to actually team within game for that reward system. Wild. Fleet arena doesn't have that.
And gg is allowed. Unofficial, but allowed. They were given GAC data by CG and permission to display it. That's probably something CG wouldn't do if CG didn't want to allow it because, you know, they had to allow it.
I appreciate that, but I’m not having an issue personally. And I would handle it personally if I did.
Lol.... no they weren't....
https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/contact-ea-help/
Your attempt to help is suggesting something that players shouldn't do. Your attempt to help should be joining the other voices in asking CG to fix the underlying problem. CG resolved the issue once for squad arena. They can do it again for fleet arena.
It is up to CG to ensure mafia like this are not in the game.
That is the solution we need. If there is no way to prevent shard mafia, then there should be no crystals in fleet arena.
Since they don't and never have, I guess we can all agree it's not actually against the TOS.
No. They did fix arena mafia by removing crystals. That solution worked so well they should do it to fleet as well.
No. If they did it because of the TOS they would have done both at the same time.
https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/contact-ea-help/